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Would having a rejection thread be valuable information?

Would the fact that I have not received any rejections yet mean that my app is still in good shape? I have not received any invites yet either. I'm getting really nervous 😎
 
Would having a rejection thread be valuable information?

Would the fact that I have not received any rejections yet mean that my app is still in good shape? I have not received any invites yet either. I'm getting really nervous 😎

Yeah, seems like rejections emails are not the norm. But keep in mind that some neuro programs haven't even started reading applications. Hope you get the offers you want soon.
 
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rejection letters are not the norm?? is this a fact?? it's worse to be kept in the air about it than if they just tell you they wont interview!!
 
I think they start sending them out in December.
 
Letters or not, I'm feeling pretty rejected right now watching the interview invites thread fill up with people writing their names next to schools I applied to while not a single invitation has come my way. Sigh. Does everybody getting invites already have step 2 in or something? I thought i had a competitive app.....or at least competitive-ish
 
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Letters or not, I'm feeling pretty rejected right now watching the interview invites thread fill up with people writing their names next to schools I applied to while not a single invitation has come my way. Sigh. Does everybody getting invites already have step 2 in or something? I thought i had a competitive app.....or at least competitive-ish

I'd recommend you go back to look at last year's interview invite thread. You'll quickly see that interviews come in batches, and although several have already gone out, several more iterations will occur over the next 6 weeks. You really ought not worry until (mid-to-late) October. Stay confident, my fictional friend!
 
It's hard to be confident when you don't even exist 🙂 I know your'e right. Still, it's one of those things where you can't help thinking ... if I was actually competitive for this program, and they've already received my application I'd have been invited by now. It's like being chosen for dodge ball all over again. Yeah, you got to play, but the minute you stepped onto the field even your own team was throwing balls at your head 🙂 :laugh: okay, maybe thats overboard. hehe.
 
hmm, i'll keep quiet for now...
 
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Why did everyone else edit off their rejections? I'll share anyway. I think it could be helpful for people.

Kaiser Permanente Prelim in LA

Rejections aren't as much fun as invites.

Prelims are stupid.
 
Why did everyone else edit off their rejections? I'll share anyway. I think it could be helpful for people.

Kaiser Permanente Prelim in LA

Rejections aren't as much fun as invites.

Prelims are stupid.

i deleted mine because i got an invite and the day after i posted my rejections, that program wrote me that they "invited me by mistake." probably completely unrelated...but i got a bit weary...anyway, if it means anything, the vast majority of my rejections are prelims...kaiser santa clara being one of them. i noticed kaiser rejected a dude last year that got a neuro invite at partners...so a wtf is def in order with these progs...
you've gotten some sweet neuro invites quig, so the prelim rejection goes to show what truly rough terrain we have to face with prelims.
 
WTF. Somebody told you that you were INVITED BY MISTAKE???!!! How flipping rude 😡

i deleted mine because i got an invite and the day after i posted my rejections, that program wrote me that they "invited me by mistake." probably completely unrelated...but i got a bit weary...anyway, if it means anything, the vast majority of my rejections are prelims...kaiser santa clara being one of them. i noticed kaiser rejected a dude last year that got a neuro invite at partners...so a wtf is def in order with these progs...
you've gotten some sweet neuro invites quig, so the prelim rejection goes to show what truly rough terrain we have to face with prelims.
 
WTF. Somebody told you that you were INVITED BY MISTAKE???!!! How flipping rude 😡

yeah, pretty shocking, but i guess humans make *mistakes*...didn't lose any sleep over it thankfully.
 
Why did everyone else edit off their rejections? I'll share anyway. I think it could be helpful for people.

Kaiser Permanente Prelim in LA

Rejections aren't as much fun as invites.

Prelims are stupid.

I got rejected from that prelim program too. I got rejected also from newark beth israel medical center, which is pretty random....

I also got rejected from Mayo Clinic in Florida for Neuro. Let the rejections come!
 
UT-southwestern Dallas Neuro...oh well, prob wasnt the best fit anyway 😳
 
UT-southwestern Dallas Neuro...oh well, prob wasnt the best fit anyway 😳

Got that one too...UCLA Harbor also sent me one saying they'll let me know if anyone cancels...I don't get that...I mean, you're not gonna rank me very high, if at all, even with the .00001 chance that I get invited.
 
Got that one too...UCLA Harbor also sent me one saying they'll let me know if anyone cancels...I don't get that...I mean, you're not gonna rank me very high, if at all, even with the .00001 chance that I get invited.

Got the same one from ucla harbor. I also got the general feeling from the email "don't count on the invite", so i'm counting it as rejected!
 
Got that one too...UCLA Harbor also sent me one saying they'll let me know if anyone cancels...I don't get that...I mean, you're not gonna rank me very high, if at all, even with the .00001 chance that I get invited.
Well, you never know.

At least one program director told me that they view all interviewees with a blank slate. Once you are offered an interview, you then essentially start with a clean slate. They'll completely re-evaluate each and every candidate based upon a second look at your file but now will including your interview performance (general vibe, basically). Some places will have a group meeting every week following an interview day (including the program director, chairman and various other faculty) to discuss how they are going to rank the newest candidates that had just visited and interviewed. Kind of like an NFL draft war room, if you will. (Apologies to those that don't watch football. 😛)
 
when we get rejections, is there any need to withdraw in eras or is that just like reiterating your rejection?
 
when we get rejections, is there any need to withdraw in eras or is that just like reiterating your rejection?

I don't think you would need to. I imagine if they wanted you to do something, they would outline it in the email.
 
I don't think you would need to. I imagine if they wanted you to do something, they would outline it in the email.

True...I just thought it was a bit awk to have places still download an applicant's material after they've sent out the ding (i.e. MSPE in my case, which shows up in MyERAS at some no-go programs as "downloaded but not viewable until November 1...Uploaded after the rejection).
 
Got that one too...UCLA Harbor also sent me one saying they'll let me know if anyone cancels...I don't get that...I mean, you're not gonna rank me very high, if at all, even with the .00001 chance that I get invited.

Got the same one from ucla harbor. I also got the general feeling from the email "don't count on the invite", so i'm counting it as rejected!

Well, you never know.

At least one program director told me that they view all interviewees with a blank slate. Once you are offered an interview, you then essentially start with a clean slate. They'll completely re-evaluate each and every candidate based upon a second look at your file but now will including your interview performance (general vibe, basically). Some places will have a group meeting every week following an interview day (including the program director, chairman and various other faculty) to discuss how they are going to rank the newest candidates that had just visited and interviewed. Kind of like an NFL draft war room, if you will. (Apologies to those that don't watch football. 😛)

Hello everyone, long-time lurker, first time poster....

Every program is different, but IF a program tells you they may still contact you for an interview if there is a cancellation, that's actually a potentially good thing.

Here's the thing - the Program Directors get innundated with applications (I think I had something like 390 last year, and we're on target to get as many this year). That's a LOT of data to go through. Also, we're under time pressure to get the first batch of interview offers out, because applicant's dance cards tend to fill quickly nowadays. Add to all of that that I only have about an order of magnitude less interview slots to actually offer, that means the first round of interview offers will go out to my best guess as to the best candidates at the time I decide I need to start getting those offers out to have a good response rate.

So...the people who typically get a lot of interview offers early have insanely good numbers and got their applications uploaded very early. Sometimes the difference between invited and on hold is a whisker's length - and that's all based on very rushed gut check opinion of the application by the PD, typically. We KNOW that we're missing very good applicants. Also, we sometimes have EVEN BETTER applicants (at least on paper - remember, at this point, that's all we know) show up in our queue, but later, by which time we have often already filled the available interview slots. And by later, it could be as early as mid to late September!

Now then, all of us PDs know that applicant interview plans will change over the course of the season. Emergencies will come up requiring applicants to cancel, some will run out of time off or money to go to all the interviews they accepted, and some will just fall in love with other programs already visited and say, "I don't really need another interview." Those cancellations free up interview slots (and please, try to give as much notice as possible if that is going to happen, so we can give that spot to another worthy applicant!). And sometimes, the next person on my invite list is actually better stat-wise than the people already scheduled previously! So, if you get a later interview offer due to a cancellation, we might actually be more excited about you coming than the person who canceled, or the other people still interviewing!

Now then, as to whether it's a 'blank slate' when you get to the interview will vary from institution to instititution. At mine, we really go by the interview scores, so yes, it's virtually a blank slate - I say virtually because interviewers are provided the applications as well as interviewing, and will sometimes incorporate that into their interview score - but their read of the application can be different from my initial one (heck, sometimes MY read of the application is different from my initial one), not to mention they are looking at the most updated version as opposed to what I had to go on when offering the interviews.

So, to reiterate - just because we offer you a cancellation interview doesn't mean we think you're a questionable candidate, and in fact we may be glad someone cancelled to get you in. Most places, the interview is really the thing, and the interviewers don't care when you were invited to interview. So if it's a program you're interested in, by all means, accept and do your best at the interview, and you may end up high on the rank list!

Sorry if this is a bit rambling....it's been a long day....
 
Hello everyone, long-time lurker, first time poster....

Every program is different, but IF a program tells you they may still contact you for an interview if there is a cancellation, that's actually a potentially good thing.

Here's the thing - the Program Directors get innundated with applications (I think I had something like 390 last year, and we're on target to get as many this year). That's a LOT of data to go through. Also, we're under time pressure to get the first batch of interview offers out, because applicant's dance cards tend to fill quickly nowadays. Add to all of that that I only have about an order of magnitude less interview slots to actually offer, that means the first round of interview offers will go out to my best guess as to the best candidates at the time I decide I need to start getting those offers out to have a good response rate.

So...the people who typically get a lot of interview offers early have insanely good numbers and got their applications uploaded very early. Sometimes the difference between invited and on hold is a whisker's length - and that's all based on very rushed gut check opinion of the application by the PD, typically. We KNOW that we're missing very good applicants. Also, we sometimes have EVEN BETTER applicants (at least on paper - remember, at this point, that's all we know) show up in our queue, but later, by which time we have often already filled the available interview slots. And by later, it could be as early as mid to late September!

Now then, all of us PDs know that applicant interview plans will change over the course of the season. Emergencies will come up requiring applicants to cancel, some will run out of time off or money to go to all the interviews they accepted, and some will just fall in love with other programs already visited and say, "I don't really need another interview." Those cancellations free up interview slots (and please, try to give as much notice as possible if that is going to happen, so we can give that spot to another worthy applicant!). And sometimes, the next person on my invite list is actually better stat-wise than the people already scheduled previously! So, if you get a later interview offer due to a cancellation, we might actually be more excited about you coming than the person who canceled, or the other people still interviewing!

Now then, as to whether it's a 'blank slate' when you get to the interview will vary from institution to instititution. At mine, we really go by the interview scores, so yes, it's virtually a blank slate - I say virtually because interviewers are provided the applications as well as interviewing, and will sometimes incorporate that into their interview score - but their read of the application can be different from my initial one (heck, sometimes MY read of the application is different from my initial one), not to mention they are looking at the most updated version as opposed to what I had to go on when offering the interviews.

So, to reiterate - just because we offer you a cancellation interview doesn't mean we think you're a questionable candidate, and in fact we may be glad someone cancelled to get you in. Most places, the interview is really the thing, and the interviewers don't care when you were invited to interview. So if it's a program you're interested in, by all means, accept and do your best at the interview, and you may end up high on the rank list!

Sorry if this is a bit rambling....it's been a long day....

Thank you. It was refreshing to read this coming from a PD.
 
Thank you. It was refreshing to read this coming from a PD.

You're welcome. There's really not enough good info out there for medical students to understand the Byzantine workings of the residency application process....I'd better start writing that book....😉
 
Hmmmm, well, good to know. My big frustration is that I had ALL my materials in september 1st except for one non-neurology letter that was accidentally not uploaded until a coupleweeks ago. Now I"m getting rejections left and right from schools who say they're all filled up..... it's frustrating to think that a single letter made my application ignorable, especially when I had my step 2 scores in. Columbia has me on some sort of "don't call us we'll call you", sorry we're filled up, setup. Since this is the rejection thread, I'll also admit to getting the boot from Hopkins this morning. But that's okay! Because as long as I have Partner's, UCLA, Barrow's and OHSU 😍, that's the only 😍 I need. Gotta keep focusing on the positives, people!
 
Hmmmm, well, good to know. My big frustration is that I had ALL my materials in september 1st except for one non-neurology letter that was accidentally not uploaded until a coupleweeks ago. Now I"m getting rejections left and right from schools who say they're all filled up..... it's frustrating to think that a single letter made my application ignorable, especially when I had my step 2 scores in. Columbia has me on some sort of "don't call us we'll call you", sorry we're filled up, setup. Since this is the rejection thread, I'll also admit to getting the boot from Hopkins this morning. But that's okay! Because as long as I have Partner's, UCLA, Barrow's and OHSU 😍, that's the only 😍 I need. Gotta keep focusing on the positives, people!
 
Hmmmm, well, good to know. My big frustration is that I had ALL my materials in september 1st except for one non-neurology letter that was accidentally not uploaded until a coupleweeks ago. Now I"m getting rejections left and right from schools who say they're all filled up..... it's frustrating to think that a single letter made my application ignorable, especially when I had my step 2 scores in. Columbia has me on some sort of "don't call us we'll call you", sorry we're filled up, setup. Since this is the rejection thread, I'll also admit to getting the boot from Hopkins this morning. But that's okay! Because as long as I have Partner's, UCLA, Barrow's and OHSU 😍, that's the only 😍 I need. Gotta keep focusing on the positives, people!

MAN!!! I hate rejections. Kinda thought Hopkins was long shot. But still hurts. 👎thumbdown You twist that knife in my perfectly good fall back weekend. Hopefully the extra hour of sleep will deaden my throbbing smart. :meanie:
 
General question regarding rejections:

Does every program send out a rejection to applicants they don't want to interview?

Thanks
 
asides from utsw, you can add columbia, uva, upenn to the list

doesnt matter though since im pretty happy with miami, washu, emory, duke, etc 😀

seems almost kind of random
 
It feels random whenever I'm rejected by a good school, it feels like they picked me shining and golden out of the pile when I'm invited by a good school. I think it may be a matter of perception! hehe

... no, i agree, a lot of it does feel random...

... Also, I was never one of those people who had pre-teen lust for pop stars or actors, so why am I crushing so hard on a certain program?! ....:laugh:😍
 
Hmmmm, well, good to know. My big frustration is that I had ALL my materials in september 1st except for one non-neurology letter that was accidentally not uploaded until a coupleweeks ago. Now I"m getting rejections left and right from schools who say they're all filled up..... it's frustrating to think that a single letter made my application ignorable, especially when I had my step 2 scores in. Columbia has me on some sort of "don't call us we'll call you", sorry we're filled up, setup. Since this is the rejection thread, I'll also admit to getting the boot from Hopkins this morning. But that's okay! Because as long as I have Partner's, UCLA, Barrow's and OHSU 😍, that's the only 😍 I need. Gotta keep focusing on the positives, people!

I think ALL the rejections anyone's getting right now are the ones saying they're all filled up...Highly doubt one letter being uploaded late would make or break you, esp if it was non-neuro and esp seeing that you got all those other good places w/o that letter. My ratio of rejections to invites has definitely increased lately, seems like the golden days were in Sept and early Oct, though a few goodies came through later. Was hoping for a little more love s/p MSPE, but just got me complete enough to get the rejection Email from the likes of Hopkins this week. Guess I got a little too cocky with that one 🙄 ...It's that Vegas disease where your first few invites happen to be ones you may not have expected, and you're like, meh what the heck, I can apply to...HOPKINS too and see what happens. LOL. And is it just me or is the deep south more competitive than I imagined? Or do they tend to think people from big cities on either coast won't make the move? I get the vibe they're more regionally inclined.
 
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