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First of all, is the reputation important? Secondly, how can one find out what reputation an undergrad school has in the med school community?
Originally posted by girl:
•I agree with E'01... I think it does matter, with one caveat. It matters if you care where you will go to med school. Most undergrad schools will be fine for middle-level and your state schools (Californians, ignore this). However, if you have your heart set on some amazing med school (top 10), then it certainly matters where you go to undergrad. You can figure that out by looking at the composition of any of their first-year med school classes. For example, my brother is a 1st-year med student at Yale, and his class is absolutely packed with Harvard/Yale undergrads. Another thing I wish I had known before choosing a college is that med schools tend to "inbreed" their own students. So, if you know you want to go to Hopkins, JHU undergrad is a great place to be-- just look at how many of their own they take. Of course, what you do in your undergrad school is more important-- going to JHU undergrad gives you opportunities to work in JHU med labs, make contacts with JHU physicians, etc etc.
Again, if you know you want to be a regular old clinician, and you have no desire to be at Harvard, then by all means, save the money and go to your state school for undergrad. You will not be disadvantaged overall as long as you stand out there.•
Originally posted by E'01:
•girl - you couldn't have said it better. My sentiments exactly. Yes effort is important but when you are looking at the top-tier medical schools, I believe that they do look at where at the undergrad you attended. I am not saying that non-ivy applicants do not get into top-tier med schools, but when you look at the breakdown of who matriculates, it's usually composed of a higher percentage of ivy grads. Ex: Columbia med has like half it's class coming from Harvard and Yale.•
Originally posted by SwampMan:
•You are attributing an acceptance to a top med school to the reputation of the undergrad institution, which I believe is wrong. Without the students at the HYP-caliber undergrad institutions, there would be no reputation. Students get into top med schools because they are talented, creative, intelligent, etc.... They don't get in merely because they attended a great undergrad. As I stated before, the highly motivated students who attend high caliber undergrads and med schools probably would have been accepted into their med schools without the "great" names attached to their resume.•
Originally posted by girl:
•However, I urge you to look at any top 10 school's accepted/matriculated list and tell me how many students are from UF, or any similar school•
Originally posted by BananaSplit
>>Between 1996 and 2000, UF students MATRICULATED as follows:
1) Hopkins - 5
2) Harvard - 0
3) Duke - 2
4) U. Penn. - 2
5) Wash - 1
6) Columbia - 2
7) UCSF - 1
8) Yale - 4
9) Stanford - 0
10) U. Mich. - 2
TOTAL - 19<<
Adding to the speculation
Stats for Berkeley for 1997-2000 (grain of salt: Berkeley has a huge class, so of course these numbers are higher).
1) Hopkins - 10
2) Harvard - 6
3) Duke - 9
4) U. Penn. - 8
5) Wash - 17
6) Columbia - 11
7) UCSF - 40 (<--this number is a bit inflated because UCSF has to take mostly cali residents)
8) Yale - 3
9) Stanford - 12 (of those accepted, only three went. Maybe rivalry does count. ^_^ or they just got into other "better" less expensive schools)
10) U. Mich. - 24
Total: 140
BananaSplit
Originally posted by rjmst
where are you people getting these stats? also, will yale laugh in my face when i send them a Drexel University transcript?
Originally posted by rjmst
also, will yale laugh in my face when i send them a Drexel University transcript?
Originally posted by stercel2007
I was wondering baout th elast post....what would someone think of a student from Carnegie Mellon?
Originally posted by nero
If they laugh at you, they'll have a field day with my school which isn't even in the rankings this year, but was a 4th tier private school with the lowest academic reputation of all the schools US NEWS reported in 2000.............i think 1.8 or something like that was our ranking...........i can imagine them seeing my school's name and all laughing hysterically at my app..........nightmares......
nero [/QUOTE
Word to god Drexel wasn't in the rankings this year either- the only reason people know it is because they just put their name on MCP Haneman's Med school and it's been in the news for a while.peace
Originally posted by souljah1
In my class of 141, there are 22 berkeley alum and 28 (or something around there) stanford alum. that is more than a third of the class. I was really surprised at how many classmates of mine (including myself) went to one of those two schools.
Originally posted by TalkAboutIslam
why surprised ???
Originally posted by souljah1
In my class of 141, there are 22 berkeley alum and 28 (or something around there) stanford alum. that is more than a third of the class. I was really surprised at how many classmates of mine (including myself) went to one of those two schools.
Originally posted by athena21
post padder! i've been reading so many threads with one liners that, a lot of the time, don't make sense!!!
Originally posted by pbehzad
Now to the person that said opportunities are not at emory, i believe it was the instigator, i dont think you know what the hell you are talking about. I go to emory, and UF may be big a$$ school and may have a quality med school and immense research opportunities, but emory has so many things UF could never imagine. Do i even have to mention the CDC, how many people can actually say they worked at the CDC. That is extremely impressive to put on your application, CDC or NIH are very impressive. CDC is not as hard to work as you think, if you really want to work you will get a postion there. Also UF is in gainesville, a town of what less than 100,000. nothing comparable to Atl. Emory has volunteer/research opportunities throughout the entire city of atlanta. State of GA research labs are extremley close to campus.
Emorys med school is top 20, and is on campus, and research thrives here. I dont mean to hate but Emorys reputation is known to be a lot more demanding and competitive especially is premed program than UF (dont mean to be condescending), i mean there is a reason emory is ranked 18th in the nation. Now i may be goin out on a limb here, but i can honestly think that goin to a state school would be 10x easier than goin to a school like emory, duke, wash u, etc. Well this post is way to long, and i didnt mean to offend anyone. please dont take anything personal, its just my .02
Originally posted by Scooby Doo
I think undergrad reputation matters but you are going to have to prove yourself no matter where you go.
Also, I disagree with girl on the fact that if you want to go to a school's med school, you should go there for undergrad. This could not be farther from the truth at stanford. If you go to undergrad at Stanford, you have an extreme disadvantage at getting into its medical school...same thing with Harvard.
Originally posted by pathdr2b
I'm an Alumnae of UF and I can tell you from my expereince after years of observing the medical school admissions game that outside of Florida, no one views UF as an exceptional university.
I've talked to admissions committee members from Harvard to Howard and not one "got excited" at the mention of my UF degree. Now the one I have from UNC-Chapel Hill carried so much weight with adcoms that I almost felt like the UF diploma didn't exist so much so that beyond the question of my GPA and the school, nothing else mattered not even my major.
I'd say the undergraduate/graduate school DOES matter especially if you plan on a research career.
Originally posted by THE instiGATOR
To major in religion at UF probably isn't all that difficult. This is likely why schools weren't too impressed. A chem major from UF (which is what I have) and UNC-CH (what you now have) will both attract attention if performance is high.
Anyway, I'm not saying UF is fabulous. It's a solid school, though. I certainly wasn't at a disadvantage when applying (more interview invitations than I could attend).
Students from po-dunk U attend high caliber med schools all the time. Also, students from high caliber undergrads attend small state med schools. In the end, everyone has relatively equal credentials.
Originally posted by mdaishik2001
Well im fairly confident that undergrad reputation does count. especially in the top 25 schools and maybe top 50. Just look at the interview lists and accepted profile of their class. the schools represented are the ivys, berkeley, michigan, northwestern, upenn. ...