Risin 4th Year MS/applying Psych, what books?

[postbacpremed87]

I will be applying to Psychiatry this fall. What books (other than K&S) do you recommend?

Clearly meant Rising...guess my southern roots kicked in there.

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[clozareal]

Are you looking for books for your sub-internship? If so, which one(s) will you be doing?

The main book to know very well would be the DSM-V. There are guide-books and self-exam questions too. I would suggest Maudsley's Prescribing Guidelines and Stahl's Essential Psychopharmacology, which are what I used during my sub-internships. Another great book I've used to improve my interviewing style is The First Interview by James Morrison.

Good luck!

 

[clausewitz2]

I will be applying to Psychiatry this fall. What books (other than K&S) do you recommend?

Clearly meant Rising...guess my southern roots kicked in there.

I liked Enoch's Uncommon Psychiatric Syndromes not so much because you'll necessarily see any of them on your sub-I (although you might) but more because it will drive home the basic inadequacy of the DSM framework as a useful description of reality and get you thinking a bit more carefully about what is really going on with your patients. At this point I come up with an actual formulation in my head and then play the game where I figure out how to slot this into a DSM framework in the least lossy way possible.

 

[FlowRate]

I read through MGH General Hospital Psychiatry and The Psychiatric Interview before my CL Sub-I, and found both of them helpful. I also read through all of the DSM-5 diagnostic criteria and a good portion of the additional text (but not all.) I purchased the prescriber's guide but don't use it as much as I should.

 

[Amygdarya]

I read through MGH General Hospital Psychiatry and The Psychiatric Interview before my CL Sub-I, and found both of them helpful. I also read through all of the DSM-5 diagnostic criteria and a good portion of the additional text (but not all.) I purchased the prescriber's guide but don't use it as much as I should.

Which Psychiatric Interview book? The one by Carlat or something else? And which additional textbook, if you don't mind?

Re: Stahl - granted, i'm only MS3 (though done with all my core rotations) - but while his Essentials seems like a good intro into psychopharm, I was disappointed with the superficiality and the handwaving of the Prescriber's Guide. Someone on this forum - I can't remember who but I really appreciate his/her advice - recommended LWW Handbook of Psychiatric Drugs, which is a little older but I found it more informative. Maudsley looks like a good reference psychopharmacology book, but it's above my head at this point.

 

[StrangerFigs]

I liked Enoch's Uncommon Psychiatric Syndromes

I'm a huge book fiend so I looked this up on Amazon...when was your copy published? There are a wide array of editions but I can't tell which one is legit/most current (also there might be a new edition coming out this upcoming August?).

 

[clausewitz2]

I'm a huge book fiend so I looked this up on Amazon...when was your copy published? There are a wide array of editions but I can't tell which one is legit/most current (also there might be a new edition coming out this upcoming August?).

I have the fourth edition, not sure when it was published.

 

[Amygdarya]

I have the fourth edition, not sure when it was published.

2001.

 

[FlowRate]

Which Psychiatric Interview book? The one by Carlat or something else? And which additional textbook, if you don't mind?

Re: Stahl - granted, i'm only MS3 (though done with all my core rotations) - but while his Essentials seems like a good intro into psychopharm, I was disappointed with the superficiality and the handwaving of the Prescriber's Guide.

Yeah Carlat. By additional text, I meant the DSM-5 has diagnostic criteria and then it has discussion on each diagnosis. I read a good bit of the latter, but not all of it.

Yeah, Prescriber's Guide isn't great as a "textbook."

 

[postbacpremed87]

Which MGH Psych book do you recommend? Just the Handbook 6th edition from 2010?

Just purchased Carlat, MGH Handbook, and Stahl....hopefully that sets me up nicely for my 4th year Inpatient Psych electives.

 

[Amygdarya]

Which MGH Psych book do you recommend? Just the Handbook 6th edition from 2010?

Just purchased Carlat, MGH Handbook, and Stahl....hopefully that sets me up nicely for my 4th year Inpatient Psych electives.

I don't know who you were asking, but I really like the MGH Resident Handbook, which is a neat little pocketbook. There is also MGH Handbook of General Hospital Psychiatry that won't fit into any reasonable pocket but is all the rage for C-L. These are two very different books (the Resident one is very practical and more "broad-spectrum"), though both of them were published in 2010.

 

[Amygdarya]

I have no idea why it's all the rage. The chapter on "limbic music" is worth a read. The rest of it is mostly not worth the paper its printed on.

Well, it seems to be the most recommended book for C-L. From a more practical point, Cambridge Psychosomatic Medicine and APA Manual of Psychiatric Care for Medically Ill seem better, though I haven't had a chance to "test run" any of them.

Do you have any book suggestions for C-L? (I remember you recommended several papers before.) Emergency psych? And, believe it or not, outpatient (PHP) psychiatry 4th year elective or sub-I?

 

[splik]

https://global.oup.com/academic/pro...-medical-patient-9780199731855?cc=us&lang=en& This book is supposed to be good and relatively recent though I havent read it myself. I think the APA's textbook of psychosomatic medicine is one of their best textbooks. the geriatric one is also good, the rest are awful.

I wouldn't recommend 4th years read subspecialist psychiatric textbooks. As much as I complain that resident's don't read, med students should be spending their time focusing on their interviewing skills and being with patients, not reading. Most med students (and junior residents for that matter) have terrible interviewing skills. we don't tell you this to spare your egos and to encourage the fledging interest in the field, but it's true.

Check out Leston Havens website. It has some videos too.
I liked this book as a student too (ignore the DSM bits but it has good approaches to challenging patients)
This book (mentioned elsewhere) is an excellent intro to psychodynamic interviewing and highly recommended. The old edition from the 1970s is much cheaper and im not sure the newer editions add anything.
This book covers interviewing skills for suicide assessment
This is the text on motivational interviewing, which is an essential skill (that psychiatrist think they know how to do but actually most dont).

 

[Amygdarya]

Thanks a lot for the recommendations @splik ! And a great point re: interviewing skills (which is something I'm trying to get more practice on even during my mandatory research period).

 

[philosophize]

As much as I complain that resident's don't read

if you could only pick 3 books for an intern to read, what would they be?

 

[OldPsychDoc]

if you could only pick 3 books for an intern to read, what would they be?

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[philosophize]

not sure what the quote with no response means, but the reason i mention 3 specifically is if i'm being honest within myself, that's the number of books i could read cover to cover from now til july 1

 

[clausewitz2]

not sure what the quote with no response means, but the reason i mention 3 specifically is if i'm being honest within myself, that's the number of books i could read cover to cover from now til july 1

There are two Amazon links in that response, Miller's Motivational Interviewing and Christopher's Practical Suicide Assessment

 

[OldPsychDoc]

not sure what the quote with no response means, but the reason i mention 3 specifically is if i'm being honest within myself, that's the number of books i could read cover to cover from now til july 1

There are two Amazon links in that response, Miller's Motivational Interviewing and Shawn Christopher Shea's Practical Suicide Assessment

And they're both very easily readable, cover to cover, before July 1, should you choose to do so.

 

[philosophize]

There are two Amazon links in that response, Miller's Motivational Interviewing and Christopher's Practical Suicide Assessment

oh lol it just appears blank on my browser

And they're both very easily readable, cover to cover, before July 1, should you choose to do so.

ordered both today thank you for the reccs!

 

[675015]

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Thats only 2 books...

 

[Dharma]

I would read... The clouds dancing through the June sky... The break of a local surf spot... And The label of a craft beer... All with good company of course.