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I do not go to either one of those schools, but I asked alee6(current student at Roseman) the pros and cons to Roseman when I was thinking about going and he told me this:

"Pros:

1. a kind of ridiculous amount of free time. i read like a book outside of class every two weeks, take a lot of time cooking at home because I can, work out very frequently, etc. you will have so much free time u will be happy you came here. Professors will very likely tell u what to focus on for the exam, so that takes out a lot of studying time! this is BY FAR the number one reason I like roseman. I sometimes feel like the school is not professional enough because they are not pushing us didactically (classes) like most other dental schools do, and also feel kind of bad because I am not sacrificing so much of my life like other dental students are in other schools. My brother at ucsf had to study like he had never done before, and he is extremely smart. A friend of mine who went to ucla also said he had the most depressing time of his life because of how much he had to do. I don’t feel like this at all!!!!!!! I even have a lot more time than I had at USF. U can even have a part time job if u want, some of my classmates work. Some of my classmates have like 4 kids, so u can imagine!

2. block system! i was used to study for 4 or 5 classes during the week like any other college student so the block system facillitates studying so much! a lot of less things to manage. Easier to focus on one thing only.

2. team exams. it probably sounds really stupid, but i found doing exams in groups really helpful in learning how to present an opinion and defending it to a whole group. it teaches you how to persuade others and also be confident in the answers you choose in the exams.

3. the sim lab is brand new, and everything is ridiculously clean. the administration is extremely demanding when it comes to keeping our work areas clean, also in the classes. you'll see when u visit.

4. going over the exams after taking them! after each exam the whole class meets and discusses every single question with the professor if there is a need. we usually spend like an hour or more going over the exam. it helps in really understanding things that u didn't. (u don't need to come to this review if u passed but almost everyone always goes.)

5. we have a 4 day weekend if we pass our exams every 3 weeks! thats great if you want to travel often to places like vegas, colorado, camping, or even la, sf, etc..

6. no specialty programs at roseman! That means complex cases for dental students since these are not sent to ortho, omfs, endo, pediantrics, etc specialists! That also means that there is a decent patient pool for every dental student. (as soon as they start the 3 year program the 4th one will be an optional AEGD (advanced education in general dentistry. When that time comes then complex cases will go to them :/ ) if you happen to speak Spanish it will help you tremendously because believe it or not there’s lots of Hispanics in Utah. I know I’ll take huge advantage in that ;) ) [on the other hand though, if u are thinking of specializing then you have no opportunity to spend a lot of time shadowing specialty programs at roseman because there aren’t any.]

8. PASS/NO PASS!!! This means no gunners, this means google docs being shared with the entire class, notes posted on facebook groups, questions answered by everyone, etc. it really does make a difference!!

7. living expenses in Utah (not particularly roseman) are very low! My master bedroom is literally 2.5x the room I had in san Francisco, and I have my own bathroom too. Rent is 480$ and I live in a relatively well off neighbourhood, but I do share the house with other three d1s! I live 15 min from school, in the suburbs. People living 3-4 min from school pay about 1200 for nice studios.

8. we are truly ahead nationally regarding prepping and restoring teeth with composites. We start out with composite instead of wax which most people say it’s a waste of time. It’s the beginning of my second semester and we’re doing class 1s and 5s. don’t know exactly how ahead we are with other schools, but I know though. (I even feel they kind of rush us in sim lab because they are trying to figure out how everything is going to work when they start the 3 year program.)

9. since it’s a private school and we pay so much :/ our materials in sim lab are really good (expensive.) the quality of the sealants, flowables, composites, etc are on the expensive side.

10. for some reason only 1 person out of ~82 last year failed the part 1 boards after the first year. That’s a pretty good percent. They highly encourage us to take the boards after the first year, and idk but it seems like they prepare us well. There’s also a ~2 week course focusing on the boards right before the summer we take the boards. Idk if others schools do something similar, they probably do.



Cons:

1. No cafeteria! Everyone always brings their food or goes to eat to places near school

2. Sim lab is closed after 11PM and closed on Sundays.

3. Library is hella small. I was used to studying in usf’s library which is like 10 times larger than roseman’s but I don’t feel like studying in this one.

4. A large amount of people are hella old and there’s little diversity. We come from san fran so that’s probably gonna be a little of a shock. Theres only like 3 latinos in the entire school, 3 indians/Pakistani, 3 middle eastern, 0 blacks, 0 filipinos that I know of, a handful of south east Asians, and another handful of Koreans surprisingly! For some reason theres like 25 koreans. My year’s diversity is not THAT bad though. Every year it keeps getting more diverse, I assume because roseman is getting more known nationally. It’s like even intimidating. How do I become friends with a 30 or 40 year old guy who has 3 kids and has completely different priorities than I do? Hahah there’s only like 5 people out of 82 that are my age or younger. About 20% are Mormons which means that they are married and have kids, or non-trad applicants ~26 years old. Girls tend to be much younger than guys though, so its not gonna be that bad for you.

5. School is in south Jordan, not salt lake city. Its about 40 min from The city. If you live close to the city then u have to commute ~25 min to school everyday. If you live close to campus, then there’s nothing to do, and if u end up going out on weekends to the city then the uber ends up costing like $50 one way!

6. they require us to assist each other during sim lab (which they now call sim clinic.) its great to get used to being a dentist and being assisted by somebody, but it also means that each assignment takes approximately 50% more because we are assisting someone else instead of working on our own stuff.

7. No notetaking service available, which means that you have to go to class basically. The classes are not recorded. (I still miss a lot of class like a few other students because I like studying by myself though.)

8. Mediocre student run organizations (asda, adea etc.) I think its because a lot of students are so old and have other responsibilities and don’t want to spend additional time with that kind of stuff. There’s always a few that are really into that kind of stuff so there are social events.

9. Since it’s a relatively new school, the didactic and sim lab curriculums seem a little disorganized. Some weeks we have a ridiculous amount of stuff to do in class AND in sim lab, and other weeks we have plenty of extra time. Some of their assignments are not well thought out. It keeps getting better each year though, if u ask the graduating class or d4s they will tell u that they had a disastrous time at school because nothing was organized.

10. Salt lake and its surroundings are spread out. Definitely different than san fran where u can take the bus everywhere. Nobody takes the bus here, or the train. Everyone drives, like LA.

11. Pretty cold, but you might like the cold so this might not be a negative thing. It snows a lot too. I don’t mind these, I actually love the cold and snow. This also means that I get to ski/snowboard every single weekend from December to ~may. World class ski resort 40 min from the school "
 
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@O Gaúcho made some excellent points.

OP, if I were in your shoes, I'd pick Roseman over Touro, mainly because of cost of living and the fact that Touro is too new. If Touro was your only choice, well, one dental school is better than none!

Side note: Touro invited me for an interview but I've declined it, mainly because their tuition is $96k/year!

Plus if you have family in California, it'll be easier to travel if you're in Utah as opposed to NYC.

BTW, what were your stats if you don't mind me asking? I haven't heard a peep from Roseman, but got a bunch of random interview invites and early rejections last fall/winter.
 
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I do not go to either one of those schools, but I asked alee6(current student at Roseman) the pros and cons to Roseman when I was thinking about going and he told me this:

"Pros:

1. a kind of ridiculous amount of free time. i read like a book outside of class every two weeks, take a lot of time cooking at home because I can, work out very frequently, etc. you will have so much free time u will be happy you came here. Professors will very likely tell u what to focus on for the exam, so that takes out a lot of studying time! this is BY FAR the number one reason I like roseman. I sometimes feel like the school is not professional enough because they are not pushing us didactically (classes) like most other dental schools do, and also feel kind of bad because I am not sacrificing so much of my life like other dental students are in other schools. My brother at ucsf had to study like he had never done before, and he is extremely smart. A friend of mine who went to ucla also said he had the most depressing time of his life because of how much he had to do. I don’t feel like this at all!!!!!!! I even have a lot more time than I had at USF. U can even have a part time job if u want, some of my classmates work. Some of my classmates have like 4 kids, so u can imagine!

2. block system! i was used to study for 4 or 5 classes during the week like any other college student so the block system facillitates studying so much! a lot of less things to manage. Easier to focus on one thing only.

2. team exams. it probably sounds really stupid, but i found doing exams in groups really helpful in learning how to present an opinion and defending it to a whole group. it teaches you how to persuade others and also be confident in the answers you choose in the exams.

3. the sim lab is brand new, and everything is ridiculously clean. the administration is extremely demanding when it comes to keeping our work areas clean, also in the classes. you'll see when u visit.

4. going over the exams after taking them! after each exam the whole class meets and discusses every single question with the professor if there is a need. we usually spend like an hour or more going over the exam. it helps in really understanding things that u didn't. (u don't need to come to this review if u passed but almost everyone always goes.)

5. we have a 4 day weekend if we pass our exams every 3 weeks! thats great if you want to travel often to places like vegas, colorado, camping, or even la, sf, etc..

6. no specialty programs at roseman! That means complex cases for dental students since these are not sent to ortho, omfs, endo, pediantrics, etc specialists! That also means that there is a decent patient pool for every dental student. (as soon as they start the 3 year program the 4th one will be an optional AEGD (advanced education in general dentistry. When that time comes then complex cases will go to them :/ ) if you happen to speak Spanish it will help you tremendously because believe it or not there’s lots of Hispanics in Utah. I know I’ll take huge advantage in that ;) ) [on the other hand though, if u are thinking of specializing then you have no opportunity to spend a lot of time shadowing specialty programs at roseman because there aren’t any.]

8. PASS/NO PASS!!! This means no gunners, this means google docs being shared with the entire class, notes posted on facebook groups, questions answered by everyone, etc. it really does make a difference!!

7. living expenses in Utah (not particularly roseman) are very low! My master bedroom is literally 2.5x the room I had in san Francisco, and I have my own bathroom too. Rent is 480$ and I live in a relatively well off neighbourhood, but I do share the house with other three d1s! I live 15 min from school, in the suburbs. People living 3-4 min from school pay about 1200 for nice studios.

8. we are truly ahead nationally regarding prepping and restoring teeth with composites. We start out with composite instead of wax which most people say it’s a waste of time. It’s the beginning of my second semester and we’re doing class 1s and 5s. don’t know exactly how ahead we are with other schools, but I know though. (I even feel they kind of rush us in sim lab because they are trying to figure out how everything is going to work when they start the 3 year program.)

9. since it’s a private school and we pay so much :/ our materials in sim lab are really good (expensive.) the quality of the sealants, flowables, composites, etc are on the expensive side.

10. for some reason only 1 person out of ~82 last year failed the part 1 boards after the first year. That’s a pretty good percent. They highly encourage us to take the boards after the first year, and idk but it seems like they prepare us well. There’s also a ~2 week course focusing on the boards right before the summer we take the boards. Idk if others schools do something similar, they probably do.



Cons:

1. No cafeteria! Everyone always brings their food or goes to eat to places near school

2. Sim lab is closed after 11PM and closed on Sundays.

3. Library is hella small. I was used to studying in usf’s library which is like 10 times larger than roseman’s but I don’t feel like studying in this one.

4. A large amount of people are hella old and there’s little diversity. We come from san fran so that’s probably gonna be a little of a shock. Theres only like 3 latinos in the entire school, 3 indians/Pakistani, 3 middle eastern, 0 blacks, 0 filipinos that I know of, a handful of south east Asians, and another handful of Koreans surprisingly! For some reason theres like 25 koreans. My year’s diversity is not THAT bad though. Every year it keeps getting more diverse, I assume because roseman is getting more known nationally. It’s like even intimidating. How do I become friends with a 30 or 40 year old guy who has 3 kids and has completely different priorities than I do? Hahah there’s only like 5 people out of 82 that are my age or younger. About 20% are Mormons which means that they are married and have kids, or non-trad applicants ~26 years old. Girls tend to be much younger than guys though, so its not gonna be that bad for you.

5. School is in south Jordan, not salt lake city. Its about 40 min from The city. If you live close to the city then u have to commute ~25 min to school everyday. If you live close to campus, then there’s nothing to do, and if u end up going out on weekends to the city then the uber ends up costing like $50 one way!

6. they require us to assist each other during sim lab (which they now call sim clinic.) its great to get used to being a dentist and being assisted by somebody, but it also means that each assignment takes approximately 50% more because we are assisting someone else instead of working on our own stuff.

7. No notetaking service available, which means that you have to go to class basically. The classes are not recorded. (I still miss a lot of class like a few other students because I like studying by myself though.)

8. Mediocre student run organizations (asda, adea etc.) I think its because a lot of students are so old and have other responsibilities and don’t want to spend additional time with that kind of stuff. There’s always a few that are really into that kind of stuff so there are social events.

9. Since it’s a relatively new school, the didactic and sim lab curriculums seem a little disorganized. Some weeks we have a ridiculous amount of stuff to do in class AND in sim lab, and other weeks we have plenty of extra time. Some of their assignments are not well thought out. It keeps getting better each year though, if u ask the graduating class or d4s they will tell u that they had a disastrous time at school because nothing was organized.

10. Salt lake and its surroundings are spread out. Definitely different than san fran where u can take the bus everywhere. Nobody takes the bus here, or the train. Everyone drives, like LA.

11. Pretty cold, but you might like the cold so this might not be a negative thing. It snows a lot too. I don’t mind these, I actually love the cold and snow. This also means that I get to ski/snowboard every single weekend from December to ~may. World class ski resort 40 min from the school "
Thank you! This was a really comprehensive response! I was just concerned about the cost of attendance at Roseman(tuition itself), but that's also because Touro's list of tuition and fees is much more vague on their website.
 
@O Gaúcho made some excellent points.

OP, if I were in your shoes, I'd pick Roseman over Touro, mainly because of cost of living and the fact that Touro is too new. If Touro was your only choice, well, one dental school is better than none!

Side note: Touro invited me for an interview but I've declined it, mainly because their tuition is $96k/year!

Plus if you have family in California, it'll be easier to travel if you're in Utah as opposed to NYC.

BTW, what were your stats if you don't mind me asking? I haven't heard a peep from Roseman, but got a bunch of random interview invites and early rejections last fall/winter.
Thanks a lot! Yes distance from family is a concern for me too... I was just unsure of the cost of attendance in two schools... and here are my stats: 3.29 BCP, 3.33 overall, I had a 23 PAT, 23 TS and 24 AA...
 
When is Roseman planning on becoming a 3 year program?
 
I don't know.. Just what I read a few posts up! Go to Roseman btw, we'll be classmates :)
Haha! Congrats! Yes I'm going to have to make a decision in a few days! I'm leaning towards Roseman too! :)
 
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I do not go to either one of those schools, but I asked alee6(current student at Roseman) the pros and cons to Roseman when I was thinking about going and he told me this:

"Pros:

1. a kind of ridiculous amount of free time. i read like a book outside of class every two weeks, take a lot of time cooking at home because I can, work out very frequently, etc. you will have so much free time u will be happy you came here. Professors will very likely tell u what to focus on for the exam, so that takes out a lot of studying time! this is BY FAR the number one reason I like roseman. I sometimes feel like the school is not professional enough because they are not pushing us didactically (classes) like most other dental schools do, and also feel kind of bad because I am not sacrificing so much of my life like other dental students are in other schools. My brother at ucsf had to study like he had never done before, and he is extremely smart. A friend of mine who went to ucla also said he had the most depressing time of his life because of how much he had to do. I don’t feel like this at all!!!!!!! I even have a lot more time than I had at USF. U can even have a part time job if u want, some of my classmates work. Some of my classmates have like 4 kids, so u can imagine!

2. block system! i was used to study for 4 or 5 classes during the week like any other college student so the block system facillitates studying so much! a lot of less things to manage. Easier to focus on one thing only.

2. team exams. it probably sounds really stupid, but i found doing exams in groups really helpful in learning how to present an opinion and defending it to a whole group. it teaches you how to persuade others and also be confident in the answers you choose in the exams.

3. the sim lab is brand new, and everything is ridiculously clean. the administration is extremely demanding when it comes to keeping our work areas clean, also in the classes. you'll see when u visit.

4. going over the exams after taking them! after each exam the whole class meets and discusses every single question with the professor if there is a need. we usually spend like an hour or more going over the exam. it helps in really understanding things that u didn't. (u don't need to come to this review if u passed but almost everyone always goes.)

5. we have a 4 day weekend if we pass our exams every 3 weeks! thats great if you want to travel often to places like vegas, colorado, camping, or even la, sf, etc..

6. no specialty programs at roseman! That means complex cases for dental students since these are not sent to ortho, omfs, endo, pediantrics, etc specialists! That also means that there is a decent patient pool for every dental student. (as soon as they start the 3 year program the 4th one will be an optional AEGD (advanced education in general dentistry. When that time comes then complex cases will go to them :/ ) if you happen to speak Spanish it will help you tremendously because believe it or not there’s lots of Hispanics in Utah. I know I’ll take huge advantage in that ;) ) [on the other hand though, if u are thinking of specializing then you have no opportunity to spend a lot of time shadowing specialty programs at roseman because there aren’t any.]

8. PASS/NO PASS!!! This means no gunners, this means google docs being shared with the entire class, notes posted on facebook groups, questions answered by everyone, etc. it really does make a difference!!

7. living expenses in Utah (not particularly roseman) are very low! My master bedroom is literally 2.5x the room I had in san Francisco, and I have my own bathroom too. Rent is 480$ and I live in a relatively well off neighbourhood, but I do share the house with other three d1s! I live 15 min from school, in the suburbs. People living 3-4 min from school pay about 1200 for nice studios.

8. we are truly ahead nationally regarding prepping and restoring teeth with composites. We start out with composite instead of wax which most people say it’s a waste of time. It’s the beginning of my second semester and we’re doing class 1s and 5s. don’t know exactly how ahead we are with other schools, but I know though. (I even feel they kind of rush us in sim lab because they are trying to figure out how everything is going to work when they start the 3 year program.)

9. since it’s a private school and we pay so much :/ our materials in sim lab are really good (expensive.) the quality of the sealants, flowables, composites, etc are on the expensive side.

10. for some reason only 1 person out of ~82 last year failed the part 1 boards after the first year. That’s a pretty good percent. They highly encourage us to take the boards after the first year, and idk but it seems like they prepare us well. There’s also a ~2 week course focusing on the boards right before the summer we take the boards. Idk if others schools do something similar, they probably do.



Cons:

1. No cafeteria! Everyone always brings their food or goes to eat to places near school

2. Sim lab is closed after 11PM and closed on Sundays.

3. Library is hella small. I was used to studying in usf’s library which is like 10 times larger than roseman’s but I don’t feel like studying in this one.

4. A large amount of people are hella old and there’s little diversity. We come from san fran so that’s probably gonna be a little of a shock. Theres only like 3 latinos in the entire school, 3 indians/Pakistani, 3 middle eastern, 0 blacks, 0 filipinos that I know of, a handful of south east Asians, and another handful of Koreans surprisingly! For some reason theres like 25 koreans. My year’s diversity is not THAT bad though. Every year it keeps getting more diverse, I assume because roseman is getting more known nationally. It’s like even intimidating. How do I become friends with a 30 or 40 year old guy who has 3 kids and has completely different priorities than I do? Hahah there’s only like 5 people out of 82 that are my age or younger. About 20% are Mormons which means that they are married and have kids, or non-trad applicants ~26 years old. Girls tend to be much younger than guys though, so its not gonna be that bad for you.

5. School is in south Jordan, not salt lake city. Its about 40 min from The city. If you live close to the city then u have to commute ~25 min to school everyday. If you live close to campus, then there’s nothing to do, and if u end up going out on weekends to the city then the uber ends up costing like $50 one way!

6. they require us to assist each other during sim lab (which they now call sim clinic.) its great to get used to being a dentist and being assisted by somebody, but it also means that each assignment takes approximately 50% more because we are assisting someone else instead of working on our own stuff.

7. No notetaking service available, which means that you have to go to class basically. The classes are not recorded. (I still miss a lot of class like a few other students because I like studying by myself though.)

8. Mediocre student run organizations (asda, adea etc.) I think its because a lot of students are so old and have other responsibilities and don’t want to spend additional time with that kind of stuff. There’s always a few that are really into that kind of stuff so there are social events.

9. Since it’s a relatively new school, the didactic and sim lab curriculums seem a little disorganized. Some weeks we have a ridiculous amount of stuff to do in class AND in sim lab, and other weeks we have plenty of extra time. Some of their assignments are not well thought out. It keeps getting better each year though, if u ask the graduating class or d4s they will tell u that they had a disastrous time at school because nothing was organized.

10. Salt lake and its surroundings are spread out. Definitely different than san fran where u can take the bus everywhere. Nobody takes the bus here, or the train. Everyone drives, like LA.

11. Pretty cold, but you might like the cold so this might not be a negative thing. It snows a lot too. I don’t mind these, I actually love the cold and snow. This also means that I get to ski/snowboard every single weekend from December to ~may. World class ski resort 40 min from the school "
Also do you know it'll be fine for specializing afterwards since the grading system is pass/fail?
 
Thanks a lot! Yes distance from family is a concern for me too... I was just unsure of the cost of attendance in two schools... and here are my stats: 3.29 BCP, 3.33 overall, I had a 23 PAT, 23 TS and 24 AA...
Wow nice DAT scores! My GPA's a bit higher but my DAT is lower by a few points.
 
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