Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S. in 2 years

[OB1🤙]

Well, based on where I live...

I for one, welcome our new Canadian overlords.

Very nice reference.

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[cfdavid]

Yeah, and there are people who think the earth is flat... and that want to kill all black people... and who worship comets... big deal. There's nut jobs everywhere (NB).

Give us your odds of how "not as far fetched" this is. Come on, urge. You're very entertaining.

-copro

Trypical Copro. Nice try at deflection. Why don't you tell ME (not Urge) what you think the end game will be due to our financial/monetary policy.

Be very prepared to present facts from credible people. Not just your dismissal of "crazy" events.

Let us talk evidence-based finance. Just as you would medicine.

I'm assuming you've not perused my links, but regardless, bring me your own sources of your opinions. Base this on the premise (that I'll suggest) that we're headed for some very, very different times. I'll respond in kind, with a variety and DIVERSE sources.

Your own close mindedness and insecurities are going to get called out on right now.

 

[lisichka]

lol

mwahhhhhhh
russians are crazy. they have crazy politicians, crazy scientists. i miss this craziness soooo much

 

[coprolalia]

Trypical Copro. Nice try at deflection. Why don't you tell ME (not Urge) what you think the end game will be due to our financial/monetary policy.

Haha. Yet another rube who doesn't understand the rules of logic and debate, nor can follow a train of thought.

Understand this: I'm not making any assertions here. I'm not predicting anything. I have no idea how this is going to play out.

What I'm not doing is saying "the U.S. is going to break apart", just like a lot of other nutters who believe all kinds of crazy things.

It is up to the person making the assertions to defend them. You are the one "deflecting" and, in doing so, now what you are disingenously asking me to do is tantamount to proving there isn't a little fat man in a red suit who flies around behind a bunch of reindeer once a year.

Be very prepared to present facts from credible people. Not just your dismissal of "crazy" events.

Let us talk evidence-based finance. Just as you would medicine.

I'm assuming you've not perused my links, but regardless, bring me your own sources of your opinions. Base this on the premise (that I'll suggest) that we're headed for some very, very different times. I'll respond in kind, with a variety and DIVERSE sources.

Your own close mindedness and insecurities are going to get called out on right now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... blah, blah, blah...

It genuinely scares me that there are people in medicine, like yourself, who can't follow even basic logic or understand. It scares me that you can so boldly make predictions, many of which never come true, yet grasp tenaciously to the scant few that do as some proof of your methodology.

I'm saying that the guy who is calling for the U.S. to fall apart into factions is full of ****. It's up to him (i.e., the one making the claim and assertion) to defend it and prove that he's right, not up to me to disprove his point. (Why do so many internet debaters have such a hard time grasping this basic concept?)

This is a silly - silly - predicition. It's funny how people will accept such baseless nonsense as a real possibility, yet laugh at the yokel who forks over $10 to a palm reader. This is nothing more than mumbo-jumbo palmistry, by no other uncertain terms. It's just dressed up a little bit.

The fact that you can't see that is very worrisome.

-copro

 

[cfdavid]

Haha. Yet another rube who doesn't understand the rules of logic and debate, nor can follow a train of thought.

Understand this: I'm not making any assertions here. I'm not predicting anything. I have no idea how this is going to play out.

What I'm not doing is saying "the U.S. is going to break apart", just like a lot of other nutters who believe all kinds of crazy things.

It is up to the person making the assertions to defend them. You are the one "deflecting" and, in doing so, now what you are disingenously asking me to do is tantamount to proving there isn't a little fat man in a red suit who flies around behind a bunch of reindeer once a year.



Yeah, yeah, yeah... blah, blah, blah...

It genuinely scares me that there are people in medicine, like yourself, who can't follow even basic logic or understand. It scares me that you can so boldly make predictions, many of which never come true, yet grasp tenaciously to the scant few that do as some proof of your methodology.

I'm saying that the guy who is calling for the U.S. to fall apart into factions is full of ****. It's up to him (i.e., the one making the claim and assertion) to defend it and prove that he's right, not up to me to disprove his point. (Why do so many internet debaters have such a hard time grasping this basic concept?)

This is a silly - silly - predicition. It's funny how people will accept such baseless nonsense as a real possibility, yet laugh at the yokel who forks over $10 to a palm reader. This is nothing more than mumbo-jumbo palmistry, by no other uncertain terms. It's just dressed up a little bit.

The fact that you can't see that is very worrisome.

-copro

Once again, "coprolalia" (how original) avoids the real issue. I specifically asked about what YOUR predictions are regarding a possible finanical insolvency of the U.S. Nothing that provocative.

You're so keen on minimalizing what everyone else states, so why don't you assert an opinion of your own, other than "don't worry, it'll be alright". And, do not associate this debate with anyone elses assertions, such as this Russian guy's predictions which I agree is false.

But, the fact is that we face a financial crisis of epic proportions in the U.S. How do you feel this will resolve, and how? Don't be so insecure as to withhold a REAL opinion of your own.

 

[coprolalia]

Once again, "coprolalia" (how original) avoids the real issue. I specifically asked about what YOUR predictions are regarding a possible finanical insolvency of the U.S. Nothing that provocative.

P-L-E-A-S-E
R-E-A-D
C-A-R-E-F-U-L-L-Y...

I DON'T MAKE SUCH PREDICTIONS!!

Especially not about the U.S. breaking apart into factions and being invaded by foreign powers, which is stupid, childish, and not even remotely based in reality.

You're so keen on minimalizing what everyone else states, so why don't you assert an opinion of your own, other than "don't worry, it'll be alright". And, do not associate this debate with anyone elses assertions, such as this Russian guy's predictions which I agree is false.

Where did I ever say "don't worry, it'll be alright"? You are among a growing list of people who like to put words in my mouth.

We are and have been talking about the Russian's guy's predictions (which urge, who is clearly a nutter, agrees with). Hello?!? McFly? Stay with me, buddy.

But, the fact is that we face a financial crisis of epic proportions in the U.S. How do you feel this will resolve, and how?

You are trying to argue with me things that are not in contention.

I have no idea specifically how it's going to resolve. (Are you thick, man?) Anyone who claims specifically that they do is likely a charlatan trying to game someone for publicity or money (or both).

That's the only point I'm making, or have been trying to make, on this thread. Stop projecting.

-copro

 

[urge]

Copro,

You are the one who said the US will never ever split.

CFDavid and I only said it is not impossible.

I hope by now you have realized that in any exam the statement that includes always, ever, and never is thr wrong one.

Guess were that puts you.

 

[coprolalia]

You are the one who said the US will never ever split.

CFDavid and I only said it is not impossible.

Mine was simply a response to a stupid, silly, childish and meaningless prognostication by a Russian "economist" that is serving more a propaganda need than a real attempt at illuminating an potential eventuality.

Sure, the U.S. could split. A meteor the size of Texas could slam into the Earth tomorrow ending all life as we know it too. A nuclear holocaust could ensue from some rogue zealot sneaking his way into the Pentagon and putting his finger on the button. A killer germ could suddenly spread and kill everyone. The monkeys could rise up and attack us all. The moon could come crashing into the earth.

Lots of things could happen and are, technically, not impossible. Most of those things fall squarely into wild speculation. If you are going to make the next step and say, by a certain date, this will happen, we assign odds. The Heaven's Gate followers, for example, were 100% sure that the earth was going to end on March 26, 1997 after the Hale-Bopp comet came by. Guess what? They were 100% wrong.

If some is going to make an assertion that there is a possibility - and have it be anything more than a meaningless and vacuous guess or wild speculation - then they should attempt to gives a percent chance, in that timeframe, of how likely that is to happen, especially if they want it testable and believable by others.

To that end, I've asked you already, urge, a couple of times now to tell me what are the odds of this happening because you are the one claiming who there is is a high possibility of occurring. You are the one, sharing your beliefs with this Russian guy, making the claim that it can happen.

Please. Tell us. Is it a 1% chance that by 2011 the U.S. will divide into factions? Is it a 50% chance? 90%?

This guy made a pretty concrete, testible prediction. And, you seem to believe that there is a real possibilty he may be right. Quantify it. Put up or shut up.

My position is that it is such a stupid assertion that it doesn't merit serious consideration or worry, just like the monkey overlords taking control. It's stupid and childish and speaks volumes about how gullible certain people, physicians no less, can be.

In other words, grow up.

-copro

 

[dhb]

A killer germ could suddenly spread and kill everyone.

It's called H5N1, it won't kill everyone but judging by the rate of deaths among the infected it looks pretty nasty.
I would be hard pressed to give a percentage but it's serious enough that pharm companies put money into the development of a vaccine.

 

[cfdavid]

Mine was simply a response to a stupid, silly, childish and meaningless prognostication by a Russian "economist" that is serving more a propaganda need than a real attempt at illuminating an potential eventuality.

Sure, the U.S. could split. A meteor the size of Texas could slam into the Earth tomorrow ending all life as we know it too. A nuclear holocaust could ensue from some rogue zealot sneaking his way into the Pentagon and putting his finger on the button. A killer germ could suddenly spread and kill everyone. The monkeys could rise up and attack us all. The moon could come crashing into the earth.

Lots of things could happen and are, technically, not impossible. Most of those things fall squarely into wild speculation. If you are going to make the next step and say, by a certain date, this will happen, we assign odds. The Heaven's Gate followers, for example, were 100% sure that the earth was going to end on March 26, 1997 after the Hale-Bopp comet came by. Guess what? They were 100% wrong.

If some is going to make an assertion that there is a possibility - and have it be anything more than a meaningless and vacuous guess or wild speculation - then they should attempt to gives a percent chance, in that timeframe, of how likely that is to happen, especially if they want it testable and believable by others.

To that end, I've asked you already, urge, a couple of times now to tell me what are the odds of this happening because you are the one claiming who there is is a high possibility of occurring. You are the one, sharing your beliefs with this Russian guy, making the claim that it can happen.

Please. Tell us. Is it a 1% chance that by 2011 the U.S. will divide into factions? Is it a 50% chance? 90%?

This guy made a pretty concrete, testible prediction. And, you seem to believe that there is a real possibilty he may be right. Quantify it. Put up or shut up.

My position is that it is such a stupid assertion that it doesn't merit serious consideration or worry, just like the monkey overlords taking control. It's stupid and childish and speaks volumes about how gullible certain people, physicians no less, can be.

In other words, grow up.

-copro

I really don't know where to begin. YOU'RE the one projecting here! Urge NEVER stated anything that suggested he believed what this Russian guy stated. He simply acknowledged the fact that history shows that large empires, countries, systems of government do in fact change. That's all I got out of Urges response on this thread. He suggests that it COULD happen.

Now, YOU are asking him for a % probability??? WTF?

This is a patern with you. Someone posts a controversial topic, and you immediately try to discredit it with your own projections as well as attempting to stifle the debate by making UNIVERSAL associations and calling dudes "nutters".....

Are YOU that "thick" that you can't envision civil strife as we continue seeing unemployment numbers running up?? Peter Schiff stated that even if we simply entered into a depression (25% unemployment but I'm sure definitions vary), it would be very different today. People are less self-reliant, and feel much much more entitled than in the 30's. Also, is our society more or less civil today??

Even the CONCEPT of soverign insolvency (and it's ramifications which would be dire) isn't that "nutty". We're seeing individual STATES coming very close to insolvency with some likely to default this year without a federal bailout.

And to your point, I don't have any clue what these probabilities are either. But, these things are possible and increasingly probable (state insolvencies). %?? I'm not a governor. I don't know. I only know what I read, and California barely made it through a suprisingly successful issuance of municipal bonds bought in by the public. But, Cali and at least 8 other states will be facing similar insolvency threats this year. This is real.

And to Urges credit, say what you will, but I specifically remember him stating that he was shorting the financials hardcore right around the time Bernanke, Paulson, and Bush were lying to the public that our financial system was "fundamentally sound" and that our financial issues were contained to the sub-prime sector. He's not all that "nutty" in my opinion. And it's just that amount of skepticism that made him a whole lot of money.

 

[dhb]

 

[coprolalia]

Urge NEVER stated anything that suggested he believed what this Russian guy stated.

Okay, now you're just winding me up. After this, I'm pretty much done with this thread... pretty much.

Go back and re-read what was written here. It's pretty clear that Urge agrees with what the dude said, and that there's more than a (what 1:1,000,000,000?) passing chance that this could actually happen. He makes reference to this possibility citing the Civil War among other things.

And then, he goes and starts another thread here where he talks about the U.S. turning into a post-apocalyptic "Thunderdome."

Are you f'in kidding me??!?!

I determined long ago with the moon hoax stuff that the dude was nuts. You're just borderline, cfdavid. But, keep it up.

I'm a physician. I like my risk stratified. If you can't do that for me, it's just purely an unobjective opinion. And, I've got no time for that.

-copro

 

[pgg]

I think we all agree that keeping an open mind is a good thing.

There are some propositions, however, that are so outlandish and absurd that solemn public debate lends them a credibility they don't deserve. This is a disservice to truth. Merely having an open mind and considering all possibilities does not make you wise.

Urge values skepticism, but lacks the insight to consistently apply that skepticism. He's overly skeptical of conventional ideas and demands extraordinary proof, yet he's not skeptical at all of fringe theories and requires neither evidence nor even internal consistency before he'll vigorously defend the "possibility" of those theories.

I'm with Copro; these are disturbing traits to see in a modern clinician who's supposed to be a trained scientist.

 

[urge]

Picard said it better: There are four lights!

[youtube]nH9QejHSMu0[/youtube]

Long version for those who haven't seen it:

[youtube]lR_fkXB86kg[/youtube]

 

[cfdavid]

Actually, he is not the only one saying the US will split. Gerald Celente predicts the same thing. Look him up on youtube/google/wikipedia. His business is to make predictions and he has been successful for over a decade. I have been following him for a while and he seems to have a level head. I think they are up to something.

This is what Urge said on THIS thread. He references some dude. So what? He never states that he agrees with the details, only that such events are possible and that people are making predictions. That's about all I glean from Urges thread.

What you fail to understand, apparently, is that some people enjoy looking at world/economic/strategic/political events and analyzing potential outcomes. What do you think the CIA does? What do risk management analysts do for insurance companies and large multinationals? How is this different from commodities traders as they evalute futures options? ****ing farmers do this as they attempt to hedge against grain and hog prices. Sure, they have sophisticated algorithms for determining probabilities, but that doesn't preclude someone without such models to be excluded from partaking in such discussions.

You're SO insecure that as soon as someone suggests something that you disagree with or consider "improbable", you go berzerk as if your entire world gets turned upside down. Urge mentions "Thunderdome" and you take it literally.....LOL Half the time I think he brings some of that stuff up just to get your panties all up in a bunch. It's so easy to do.

Then, you resort to name calling on an internet forum! Really smart. And you're the one that prides himself on being a level headed physician. Instead, you're acting like a little kid with a temper tantrum! Not exactly a valuable trait as a clinician. It's funny. I'll take you up on your exit from this discussion. You have nothing to add anyway, at least productively.

 

[AcuriteAnstheze]

I didn't realize they had such a crack problem in Russia.

Do you think we'll still have to pay back our Student Loans??? This guy might be on to something here, let's give him a chance...

Time will tell.

That is what I am thinking.




I am a Barack supporter, but I wonder does anyone find his ideas to be socialistic. I agree with many, but I wonder where that will lead the United States in the future.

 

[foil]

Hmmmm,
I read the same story.

I did some research,
China is suppose to be the instigator of this mess............it all started during the Clinton Admin, when Chinese nationals were sleeping over in the White House.
Then came the giving the Panamal Canal to the Chinese.
Then came this,
a speech given by a Chinese general about gassing us, in order to (re) patriot California.
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html


Of course from the wako drawer, next to the other spiritual prophets, I pulled this out:

http://www.trumpetersmission.com/messages_chronology.htm


Now put it all together:

Three wars, usa forces stretched thin,
Employment is way bad news,
poor people even worse off
The man in charge now takes the blame
and some bad-guy give us a nightmare with the man in charge.
Race rioting from coast to coast
We're ripe for the bad guys to invade as the "blue helmets"
easy entry.

foil

 

[cfdavid]

Hmmmm,
I read the same story.

I did some research,
China is suppose to be the instigator of this mess............it all started during the Clinton Admin, when Chinese nationals were sleeping over in the White House.
Then came the giving the Panamal Canal to the Chinese.
Then came this,
a speech given by a Chinese general about gassing us, in order to (re) patriot California.
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html


Of course from the wako drawer, next to the other spiritual prophets, I pulled this out:

http://www.trumpetersmission.com/messages_chronology.htm


Now put it all together:

Three wars, usa forces stretched thin,
Employment is way bad news,
poor people even worse off
The man in charge now takes the blame
and some bad-guy give us a nightmare with the man in charge.
Race rioting from coast to coast
We're ripe for the bad guys to invade as the "blue helmets"
easy entry.

foil

I think an invasion is just not about to happen. But, IMO, what is and has been happening is an increasing Russia-China strategic alliance that HAS to be causing us trouble in our "spheres of influence" globally.

I look back to all the trouble we made for Russia when THEY were in Afghanistan, and I shudder to think about what we're not hearing about, not to mention Iran. Also, China's energy needs (and financial leverage over us given they hold SO much of our debt) are GOING to put them at odds with the U.S.

The point is that our geopolitical strategic adversaries are very keenly aware of our weaknesses at this point. My personal opinion is that it would be extremely naive to think that these weaknesses aren't now being exploited.

Also, many military strategists suggest that future wars are going to be very subversive. Sure, we see Islamist terror, and it almost has to be subversive due to lack of any real conventional capabilities. But, what happens when Russia or China decide to get subversive? That's an entirely different ballgame at that point. So, an Exxon-Mobile oil field development in "Timbuktu" gets sabataged by "local rebels", we could hear in the news, is really a bunch of local mercenaries being paid off by foreign agents. These are real possibilities.

 

[jetproppilot]

This is what Urge said on THIS thread. He references some dude. So what? He never states that he agrees with the details, only that such events are possible and that people are making predictions. That's about all I glean from Urges thread.

What you fail to understand, apparently, is that some people enjoy looking at world/economic/strategic/political events and analyzing potential outcomes. What do you think the CIA does? What do risk management analysts do for insurance companies and large multinationals? How is this different from commodities traders as they evalute futures options? ****ing farmers do this as they attempt to hedge against grain and hog prices. Sure, they have sophisticated algorithms for determining probabilities, but that doesn't preclude someone without such models to be excluded from partaking in such discussions.

You're SO insecure that as soon as someone suggests something that you disagree with or consider "improbable", you go berzerk as if your entire world gets turned upside down. Urge mentions "Thunderdome" and you take it literally.....LOL Half the time I think he brings some of that stuff up just to get your panties all up in a bunch. It's so easy to do.

Then, you resort to name calling on an internet forum! Really smart. And you're the one that prides himself on being a level headed physician. Instead, you're acting like a little kid with a temper tantrum! Not exactly a valuable trait as a clinician. It's funny. I'll take you up on your exit from this discussion. You have nothing to add anyway, at least productively.

WOW.

Gotta love CF.

You're gonna make a great attending, friend.

Regardless of specialty.

Please don't ever lose your RIGOR.

It's an enviable trait.

 

[Barfalamule]

The Russians are peeking at the US through a tiny little window based on their reality. Remember this?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/28/russia.georgia.cold.war/index.html

Props for making Tetris, Russia. Props.

 

[coprolalia]

Please don't ever lose your RIGOR.

Are you sure that rigor was the word you were looking for?

-copro

 

[coprolalia]

This is what Urge said on THIS thread. He references some dude. So what? He never states that he agrees with the details, only that such events are possible and that people are making predictions. That's about all I glean from Urges thread.

What you fail to understand, apparently, is that some people enjoy looking at world/economic/strategic/political events and analyzing potential outcomes. What do you think the CIA does? What do risk management analysts do for insurance companies and large multinationals? How is this different from commodities traders as they evalute futures options? ****ing farmers do this as they attempt to hedge against grain and hog prices. Sure, they have sophisticated algorithms for determining probabilities, but that doesn't preclude someone without such models to be excluded from partaking in such discussions.

You're SO insecure that as soon as someone suggests something that you disagree with or consider "improbable", you go berzerk as if your entire world gets turned upside down. Urge mentions "Thunderdome" and you take it literally.....LOL Half the time I think he brings some of that stuff up just to get your panties all up in a bunch. It's so easy to do.

Then, you resort to name calling on an internet forum! Really smart. And you're the one that prides himself on being a level headed physician. Instead, you're acting like a little kid with a temper tantrum! Not exactly a valuable trait as a clinician. It's funny. I'll take you up on your exit from this discussion. You have nothing to add anyway, at least productively.

(1) I think that people like Urge think the CIA plants bugs in people's houses and puts fluoride in tap water all in an effort to control us.

(2) Because he did mean it literally.

-copro