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Discussion in 'Clinical Rotations' started by thyroid71, Feb 15, 2001.
I would like to know are the salary structures of DO and MD's comparable post residency?
Ditto! Assuming two physicians are in the same specialty and have the same type and number of patients and do the same type and number of proceedures, they're exactly the same.
The DO graduate will have a very hard time getting into some of the more lucrative specialties. So overall, I would think that the average DO (more likely to be in primary care) makes less than the average MD.
DO graduates can always opt to do a DO residency in Neurosurgery, Orthopedic Surgery, General Surgery, Radiology, etc... This is in addition to applying for residencies through the NRMP match. The percentage of DOs who are specialists, are increasing each year with each new graduating class. I know that in my class, 50% are applying for specialties. Many have already matched for General Surgery and Orthopedic Surgery throught the NMS (Osteopathic Match). There are also some students who have accepted positions outside the match for specialties. The point is that it isn't difficult for a DO to get a surgical or specialty spot. Whether it is through the NRMP or NMS is another issue. Assuming a DO and MD are both in the same specialty, the will make the same amount of money. Given they have the same patients, practice in the same location, etc...
[This message has been edited by Leotigers (edited 02-18-2001).]
Well there goes the idea that DO schools turn out family physicians or that the type of person DO schools attract is primary care-inclined...
Tim W. of N.Y.C.
These are just stats for my school in Northern California. I think the DO students in the Bay Area are different than your average DO in another state (in terms of what their interests are and their reasons to go DO). Just my opinion.
I don't know and have personally never heard of a single individual who wasn't able to pursue their specialty of choice. I'm not saying it's never happened, just that it's not the problem some think it is.
Dull question, thyroid..
rephase youe question to "differences in salaries for psychiatrist and opthalmologist" then you will get a more meaningful answer
I'm interested in how you think DO's in the Bay Area are different than other DO students across the nation. I graduated from UC Berkeley, worked on some research projects at UCSF before matriculating to medical school at UNTHSC-TCOM. I was offered a spot in the "pioneer class" at Touro and just felt skittish about the whole newness of the school. I think that it has really come a long way since then and believe that Touro has the potential of being a great school if they can cement some good hospital affiliations and keep investing in educational infrastructure and human capital. It's proximity to SF and Berkeley is a big plus in terms of attracting well-qualified academics.
I'm interested in your perception of how "holistic" the students are who attend Touro. The Bay Area is a mecca of sorts for those interested in Complementary and Alternative Medicine and I'm wondering if the school attracts students whose interests lean in those directions or are we dealing with UCSF, Stanford, and UC Davis rejects who wanted to stay in the area.
As you may know, before the 1965 crisis, California was a huge osteopathic strong hold for the profession. Since then, the geographic concentration of DO's shifted to the mid-west and northeast. I understand that DO's are increasingly prevalent in SoCal and the Southwest (especially Pheonix). How are things shaping up for DO's in NoCal?
(CA transplant who still imports his Peets Coffee)
Even if there was a slight difference, would it matter to you?
Drusso, sorry i missed your question. I think that many of the students that we get are Bay Area people who didn't make it to UCSF, Stanford, or UC Davis. We get most of our students each year from UC Berkeley. I think this has contributed to the fact that despite being the newest school, we have one of the highest GPAs and MCAT scores. The school is not perfect by any means and if in a vacuum, the school would be mediocre. What makes the school is the quality of students (due to location) and the surrounding medical schools (UCSF, Stanford, UC Davis) which provide for additional clinical opportunities. Many of our own preceptors are graduates from one of those schools.
Ironically, I thought since the only DO schools in California's history have been in SoCal (COMP and UCI - used to be a DO school) that SoCal would be more educated about osteopathic medicine. This is definitely not the case. I've found that their is a better understanding and respect for DOs in NoCal.
With regards to pre-meds who are interested in alternative medicine or 'holistic' medicine, not really. Many are Bay Area natives looking to either come back to the Bay Area or stay in the Bay Area. Another group of students come from NY. The parent school is in NY and has a JD, MBA, PA, OT, PT, etc.... schools. TUCOM also has residency programs there as well. We have had NY natives come out here because they thought it would be 'cool' to be in the Bay Area for two years. They then return to NY for ALL their rotations. There is enough rotations out their for the students to spend both years there. We also have GenSurg, OrthoSurg, FP, IM, etc.. residencies in NY.
All in all, I've been impressed with how the school has turned out. The administrators aren't the best but they are very flexible and try to accomodate what's best for you rather than fitting you into their agenda of what they want an osteopathic medical student to do.
Hope this answers your questions. I'll miss Peets coffee when I leave too.
It is funny I saw this question. I have not been on this site for months, and visited tonight to address this very topic. My reason being, about 5-6 months ago there was a similar question. . .and of course a DO vs MD war started, and everything turned into a number game, but the question was never answered.
Well, I am finishing up my last few months of rotations. This month I had the opportunity to spend some time with the "billing/claims" lady. You know, whatever you call those people who make sure we get the $$ from the insurance companies. To get on with my point. . .the answer to your question, a DO and a MD of the same speciality will get the EXACT AMOUNT OF $$MONEY$$ from billing. See, an insurance company sets what they are going to pay, it does not matter rather you are a DO/MD, male/female. Now, different areas may get different $$. That is because the ins. company. So, when I bill for an OB/GYN office visit, all other OB/GYN's in my area will get the same exact $$ for their office visits. Simple as that!! If you have any more questions, just ask someone who takes care of claims in a hospital or private office.
Hope this helped.
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Face it, NEITHER DO NOR MD ARE MAKING MONEY--- Get a JD if you are so financially driven.
Dr. P, D.O.