San Antonio: is it really THAT unstable?

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Radiation Oncology residency at University of Texas Health Science Center San Antonio (UTHSCSA) is undergoing a wholesale overhaul at present, and as such is by far the lowest on the Texas list of rad onc residencies.

Match 2006 is the first year that UTHSCSA is participating so no interviews were offered. A large part of my information gathering was from my calling the program directly though the interview season and also from comparing notes with others on the interview trails. Well, my horrid impression of San Antonio was confirmed: they are under-funded and critically at a make-or-break crossroads whereby they could possibly lose accreditation(?) as their ACGME review approaches.

I called last month to speak with residents about their "unstable" program, and they universally declared that they are less-than-satisfied with all the fall out from their faculty leaving as well as other departmental havoc. As of late January 2006, not only did the Department Chair (Dr. Herman) leave the program, but also the Vice Chair left for another institution! Well, I thought, "Hey, they went onto advance their repective careers and are now Chairs at new places."



That is a positive, rather than a bad indication, right? I found out that my intial naive take on the matter was WRONG. To highlight the "let's-jump-ship-while-there-still-is-a-ship-left" climate, the residents informed me that about half of the faculty also left in the past few months. The residents did not straight out say it but they seemed betrayed(?) if not abandoned...though I hear they were never too pleased with their sporadic faculty lecture schedule anyway. Their board pass rate was not favorable either.

Devastating! From what I gather it is a small department to start with, so such an overhaul has got to have ripple effects of tsunami proportions, eh? The residents point out that Dr. Eng is one of the few stable things remaining in the program. Having been at UTHSCSA since 1999, he is the residency program director and now interim Chair. According to the residents, he is a VERY busy man now, especially with the many hats he must wear and fragile departmental inadequacies to gingerly juggle, including strained(?) relations with their academic affiliate UT HSC San Antonio.

On a more positive note, I must concur with the fact that Dr. Hussey was a coup for the program in San Antonio. He was RSNA President as I recall and a formidable authority in Head and Neck from his time at Iowa, etc. IMRT is another relative strength of the program, if you can look past the significant, non-trivial shortcomings.

I do disagree that "...all the other faculty are seen as young "up and comers" in research, because the research thrust is not very strong. The faculty search could be a blessing in disguise, but the reality is we are looking for not only a Chair, Vice-Chair, and several more all at once. We can only imagine how challenging it would be like to be on that search committee? So it seems that the clinics would be very under-staffed by attending for some time to come. Are the residents, therefore, forced to take the brunt of increased workload?

Whether they prefer "older" residents can be debated. From what they told me, having entered or finished internal medicine residency is not a pre-requisite. Nonetheless, the fact remains the San Antonio residents are older than at other programs.

Anyone have any news or input? San Antonio seems on the brink of extinction, if what I hear from other interviewees is true. So if your destination is the Texas for rad onc, the hands-down choice is Houston-based M.D. Anderson, which really should not be compared to San Antonio whose woes have no end in sight. I do want want to put myself in a place where my learning is so compromised by departmental lack of support and funding, etc. that I have to pick up the pieces later.



In conclusion, is San Antonio on my rank list? Emphatically, NOPE!

Htowngsp said:
a few words on the Texas programs that aren't Anderson:



UTMB (Galveston) has a program of nice people in a crappy town. Dr. Colman, the PD, seems very interested in students, but the faculty is small, and with no PET in Glaveston, any imaging research is out of the question. They seem to do a lot with a little. Also, every faculty member here is super involved with organizations. That said, the town of Galveston sucks- a short visit was enough for me- If you can stand the town, then the program is okay.



Baylor shares a problem with Galveston in that the people who can go to either place can just as easily go to Anderson. Woo seems to run a soli, if small program that was the first to have IMRT in the '90s, but I've heard that since they are a section of radiology, they get shorted on funding.



San Antonio had a major addition when they got Dr. Hussey (ASTRO board member and RSNA chairman) from Iowa. A friend who is there says the rumors about Herman are exaggerated, and all the other faculty are seen as young "up and comers" in research. However, it also seems like they prefer to take people who have already entered or finished internal medicine residencies, so all the residents are older than at other programs.
 

I sleep better when I know my residency program will not fold. Period.

Ask around with radiation oncology residents and your rad onc mentors and you like me will wonder aloud how San Antonio got so off the deep end in just this past year...I am likely not going to rank San Antonio either, even though I have tons of extended family living there because their Radiation Oncology Residency Program is so...weak. Within this year (and more like the past few months), the wheels have come off and they're sure reeling from it...

On the topic of rad oncology programs in our great State of Texas, for comparison check out the program at UT Southwestern that, under the visionary leadership of Dr. Choy, has fluorished even though it is essentially in its infancy. Furthermore, Dallas is a much better place to be culturally, economically, entertainment-wise, etc. than San Antonio. The latter is a bit too sleepy for me...like I said I will be glad to take up my rad onc training at UT Southwestern even if I forgo 'free rent' from my folks! The only thing San Antonio has going for it is that Tim Duncan and his Spurs can open a can of Texas whoopin' on my Dallas Mavericks.

I'm too short for the NBA, though, so back to the topic at hand...what I'm looking for instead is a strong radiation oncology training program, and from all the faculty I've talked to this learning curve is best accomplished in a well-grounded institution and NOT one where the wagon wheels are fallen off and rusted! When asked about their perspective on fledgling UT Southwestern versus San Antonio, they provided valuable insights as follows:

1. San Antonio has a head-start on UT Southwestern. This fact would seem to favor San Antonio as the more solid program, but the counter-intuitive truth actually is in the details... 😕
a) Dr. Hak Choy of UT Southwestern was actually the Distinguished Guest Faculty at San Antonio in 2005. If they liked him so much, how is it they could not convince him to stay on as faculty? If all the indications were that Dr. Herman was going to leave, Dr. Choy could have taken up the San Antonio torch, right? Everyone who has worked with Dr. Choy will tell you he loves a challenge...the entrepreneurial opportunity 🙂 to start a brand-new, world class program in Dallas was weighed against the task of considerably more difficult task of spearheading reform amidst chaos at San Antonio. I'm not saying that I can read his mind or his exact rationale but he, of course, went to where he saw the greener pastures in Dallas. I think I'll take my chances at UT Southwestern too.
b) Timing is everything...MD Anderson actually got IMRT established after San Antonio did. OK, comparing the cancer mecca versus anyone is not too fair. It does illustrate though that with deep pockets and with institutional commitment to excellence, hard work can sometimes trump seniority...perhaps this is again why UT Southwestern will easily eat San Antonio alive. We all watch in envy as the juggernaut MD Anderson completes its crown diadem Proton Therapy Center, but no worries because San Antonio was first to IMRT, right?

2. Money can't buy happiness, but not having enough money is the fast track to misery: :idea: Departmental support (even in terms of monetary support) does change your residency experience for the better or drudgery-worse.
a) I ain't no real estate agent, but when I see the air-conditioned Skywalk linking the 5 MD Anderson buildings by chauffered golf carts and nice landscaping, I feel the bills will get paid and a mild sense of contentment as I saunter along to my Gyn-Onc rotation. The patients are proud to say they get care at MD Anderson and feel relaxed on their grounds. Same with UT Southwestern...nice and cozy with patient care-driven technology galore.
b) I read and subsequently confirmed that San Antonio, on the other hand, has stark rooms with no computers 😱 ...I gotta say that if San Antonio residents get the job done (i.e., surpass the obstacles to provide excellent patient care), then good for them--they are valiant patient care champions under rather harsh conditions.
We all go into radiation oncology because we all want to make a positive impact on our cancer patients; this is a given, ok. 😍 What I am saying is that I just want to go to a place that has the tools for me to make sound and timely clinical decisions, including computers to access important RTOG databases or patient clinical resources that's all! And our patients deserve that we can apply our skills efficiently too. 😍

3. Research is all about publish or perish. The faculty at San Antonio are spread way thin right now. They have little time to do research if they are carrying the responsibilities of hastily filling up the faculty vacancies and their clinic duties, too.

Enough of this for me, Dallas or bust! I’m headed for UT Southwestern--and not to San Antonio--for my rad onc training. I’ve worked too hard to take a chance on my residency program folding in the 4 years I’m there; so I’ll pay my own rent on my resident’s salary and pull for them Dallas Mavericks!! 😀
 
Don't know much about SA RAD ONC but those I've talked to either say vaguely that they have a hard time getting through when they call or that they would not recommend San ANtonio.
 
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