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"According to the Journal, a score of 50 is considered "average." Anything above 50 proves "hardship" while anything below 50 is considered "privilege."
Libs should love this until they realize the poor white males where I grew up will benefit, thus increasing white privilege... Then the clamoring will get interesting.
 

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Ahhh- so with equal weighting of adversity score and SAT composite score by college admissions committees would generate some interesting results. Those born poor, sold drugs to make a living while in school, and had to drink beer or vodka for breakfast but scored rock bottom 400 on the SAT composite, would be rated higher than the silver spoon kid who scored 1500. This certainly makes sense.
 

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I don't see where this extra adversity score would affect the total SAT score.
 

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I don't see where this extra adversity score would affect the total SAT score.
Because your eyes have been closed a long time.
 
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This is perfect. Now, entrance applications can be completely blinded to name, sex, race, socioeconomic status, etc. interviews can even be done behind a shadow box with voice altering software. Level playing field. What is the downside again?
 

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Libs should love this until they realize the poor white males where I grew up will benefit, thus increasing white privilege... Then the clamoring will get interesting.
Don't forget the poor Asians as well.

Libs just shot themselves in the foot.
 

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elite private universities already do this in their app process. while not transparent to applicants it is utilized knowing that it may end up being accessible in the future. this looks like a similar algorithm promising transparency in which all colleges are using the same calculation.
however, transparency without "fairness" leads to one angry monkey:
 
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or because it is a separate number and completely not affecting the standard SAT score?
Subjective phenomenon just like pain. Not useful in anything other than the individual. Applying group think or algorithms based on subjective phenomena works so well? And yes, I know they picked metrics that can cause adversity. But how this effects the individual is immeasurable.
 

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There are innumerable issues with issuing an objective adversity “score”. Don’t individuals still have to submit applications, and sometimes even interview at colleges? That’s where individual circumstances can be highlighted, rather than a BS score
 

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There are innumerable issues with issuing an objective adversity “score”. Don’t individuals still have to submit applications, and sometimes even interview at colleges? That’s where individual circumstances can be highlighted, rather than a BS score
I have been doing Alumni interviews for Dartmouth College x10 years. We seek to find out what adversity stories that may bolster their applications.
 

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Funny that colleges are looking for a new metric for admission! I was talking with a friend about how college is mostly a waste of money and it was originally the place where books and the people who could help you understand them were located. Most learning is from YouTube and online now and the $$$$$$ paid to private liberal arts colleges is mostly a waste. The benefit is the piece of paper you get when you graduate which shows potential employers that you were able to pass the hurdles of college. We proposed that a new metric for employers was needed to make a diploma unnecessary and a better metric of potential output of the worker. This new test or metric would include personality characteristics, intelligence and ability to learn new things quickly, and whatever else potential employers value.

Point is a new metric is coming to make a college diploma obsolete.
 

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My solution would be to have a nationwide permanent boycott of college.

Poof, no more college board. No student debt outside of professional/trade programs. No more SAT.

Bring down the whole crooked industry.
 

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I have been doing Alumni interviews for Dartmouth College x10 years. We seek to find out what adversity stories that may bolster their applications.
now you have another metric. not sure the big deal is.

My solution would be to have a nationwide permanent boycott of college.

Poof, no more college board. No student debt outside of professional/trade programs. No more SAT.

Bring down the whole crooked industry.
and.... no doctors. however, can go to a 2 year LPN trade school, 2 year independent study to become RN, then the rest is easy breezy to becoming an NP. Perfect!
 

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Here’s a fun idea: make medical school 8 years long. Start right out of high school. If you start to fail out then you take a few extra classes to become a nurse or tech or PA. Only the best will complete the program and become physicians. The rest will know their place and that they didn’t make the cut ;)
 
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So the mega rich can bribe there way in. The poor will have their scores adjusted to reflect how bad they had it. The rest of middle America will be going no where.

Is the ACT pulling this crap too?
 
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Well then the SAT will either show that "privilage," and "adversity," are extremely hard to quanitify or (more likely) it will be overtly racist toward white and asian students.
 

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My adversity score would have been extremely high as everything not involving my family would have been 100%. I don’t think they are going to get the results they are looking for...
 

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elite private universities already do this in their app process. while not transparent to applicants it is utilized knowing that it may end up being accessible in the future. this looks like a similar algorithm promising transparency in which all colleges are using the same calculation.
however, transparency without "fairness" leads to one angry monkey:
this is savage....we can apply this to basic human behavior as well until a politician starts talking, then everyone thinks the grapes are free.
 
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this is savage....we can apply this to basic human behavior as well until a politician starts talking, then everyone thinks the grapes are free.
Behavioral economics is a powerful thing: The Capuchin monkey's reaction reflects the SOS differential inequity in our health care system.
 

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"According to the Journal, a score of 50 is considered "average." Anything above 50 proves "hardship" while anything below 50 is considered "privilege."
This is just affirmative action, ie, reverse discrimination by another name. Just another excuse to be able to punish people who had the work ethic and smarts to get good grades and scores and reward people who didn't. What's the type of "privilege" called when you jump over someone smarter, harder working, with more smarts and better test scores because of a made up "adversity score"?

When do we stop this silly and futile social engineering and go to a standard where the person who performs best, makes the cut?

Seems to me if universities are going to use these scores for students, they should be required to apply it to their athletes, too.

"Sorry, Zion, you have to go to East Valley State Community College because a 5' 6" dude from the trailer park with no jump shot, but a higher 'adversity score' jumped over you and took your spot at Duke. Sorry Duke fans and boosters, your team sucks now, and East Valley CC finally won a game. #SocialJustice."

Why do people accept this crap for college admissions but not in sports and or with anything else they value in life, that personally effects them?
 
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This is just affirmative action, ie, reverse discrimination by another name. Just another excuse to be able to punish people who had the work ethic and smarts to get good grades and scores and reward people who didn't. What's the type of "privilege" called when you jump over someone smarter, harder working, with more smarts and better test scores because of a made up "adversity score"?

When do we stop this silly and futile social engineering and go to a standard where the person who performs best, makes the cut?

Seems to me if universities are going to use these scores for students, they should be required to apply it to their athletes, too.

"Sorry, Zion, you have to go to East Valley State Community College because a 5' 6" dude from the trailer park with no jump shot, but a higher 'adversity score' jumped over you and took your spot at Duke. Sorry Duke fans and boosters, your team sucks now, and East Valley CC finally won a game. #SocialJustice."

Why do people accept this crap for college admissions but not in sports and or with anything else they value in life, that personally effects them?
Because if you speak out you’ll be labeled a privileged bigot and then no elite school will want you on campus. So the people with the most to lose just end up zipping their lips
 
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Because if you speak out you’ll be labeled a privileged bigot and then no elite school will want you on campus. So the people with the most to lose just end up zipping their lips
What is preventing a school from taking those kids with less adversity score? Surely some school would like to find the rich kids?
 
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What is preventing a school from taking those kids with less adversity score? Surely some school would like to find the rich kids?
Private schools with low enrollment.
This is emerging in NY where they just declared SUNY is free below I think 125K HH income. So now who the hell is gonna go to these small private schools. They can’t maintain infrastructure or good courses because who wants to take out a loan to go there? Nobody.
 

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This is just the College Board's desperate attempt to keep the SAT relevant in a society that no longer believes in meritocracy and upward mobility through hard work. Who needs standardized testing of mathematical and verbal abilities when we can just add up victimhood points?
 

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Seems to me that if the goal is truly to have disadvantaged kids get in to good schools then they should just cut to the chase and have a policy where all that apply are accepted.... You know, make things truly "equal" and "fair." …. but this has nothing to do with equality or fairness.

Could you imagine the squeal from the elites if Ivy League schools were forced to accept all who apply?
 

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Private schools with low enrollment.
This is emerging in NY where they just declared SUNY is free below I think 125K HH income. So now who the hell is gonna go to these small private schools. They can’t maintain infrastructure or good courses because who wants to take out a loan to go there? Nobody.
actually, available info suggests that is not the case.

there has been an overall decline in college enrollment across the board - but due to declining NY population, not specifically related to Excelsior program. in fact, SUNY community colleges are ones most facing decreased numbers. this group of students that would benefit from the Excelsior program do not seem to be the same group of students applying for private colleges.

and it is not "free" per se. tuition free yes, but not room, board, books, etc.
 
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actually, available info suggests that is not the case.

there has been an overall decline in college enrollment across the board - but due to declining NY population, not specifically related to Excelsior program. in fact, SUNY community colleges are ones most facing decreased numbers. this group of students that would benefit from the Excelsior program do not seem to be the same group of students applying for private colleges.

and it is not "free" per se. tuition free yes, but not room, board, books, etc.
The SUNY system is probably some of the best value for the money out there.

The game is getting your degree as quickly and cheaply as possible even for the petit riche. Demographics may slow tuition increases but if anyone thinks college will be of more reasonable cost in the future is deluding themselves.