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The problem is that every American who makes 60k aspires to make 200k. Every American who makes 150k aspires to make 450k. So generally raising taxes at all doesn’t inspire people to vote for you. Maybe if Dems said “we are going to raise money by closing all those absurd loopholes used by the million/billionaires, but won’t raise rates at ALL that might resonate. Or “government is inefficient. We are going to cut XYZ special interest programs to lower your taxes- that would also resonate.”

The whole healthcare thing- dems lost a lot of credibility when Obamacare came out and middle to upper class people lost their plans and ended up with higher deductibles. While the pre-existing exemption is popular, and Medicaid expansion is popular, the problem of 50% being “worse off” 50% better reeks of redistribution and makes people very suspicious of any future democratic promises.
I had great insurance at the time the ACA came out that was entirely employer funded. Due to ACA cost-sharing provisions, I ended up paying 20% despite my employer previously providing the plan gratis, costing me thousands per year. It effectively erased every raise I had ever received

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We can disagree on the nuances of those issues. I brought them up because of the claims that the dem platform is all identity politics.... when clearly COVID, healthcare, taxes etc were at the forefront of the discussion this year.
The dems don't resonate on taxes. Healthcare has been lackluster, the ACA more of a mess than a godsend for most Americans. COVID is the only thing they have, and that won't be here next election. When every one of your policies is lukewarm to a loss with most Americans, your party is in trouble. I hate the Democrats for being so damn ineffective that they let Trump happen by running one of the most problematic candidates they could have picked because it was "her turn." High horses and ideals don't put food on tables or make most people's day-to-day lives better, and the only plan the Democrats have for that is the Green New Deal, which I think is some nonsense. Yeah, we need an infrastructure package, but it needs to be fiscally reasonable and realistic in scope and scale
 
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Ihate the Democrats for being so damn ineffective that they let Trump happen

Yes. You know there’s a problem with your platform when 75% of the party is saying “it’s the voters that are the problem, not us.”

The main reason why the ACA is hated by so many is you can’t design a healthcare system so that the more you pay, the less you get.
 
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The dems don't resonate on taxes. Healthcare has been lackluster, the ACA more of a mess than a godsend for most Americans. COVID is the only thing they have, and that won't be here next election. When every one of your policies is lukewarm to a loss with most Americans, your party is in trouble. I hate the Democrats for being so damn ineffective that they let Trump happen by running one of the most problematic candidates they could have picked because it was "her turn." High horses and ideals don't put food on tables or make most people's day-to-day lives better, and the only plan the Democrats have for that is the Green New Deal, which I think is some nonsense. Yeah, we need an infrastructure package, but it needs to be fiscally reasonable and realistic in scope and scale

I don't expect that the dems message on taxes regardless of what they say will resonate with the crowd here. But I agree their messaging has got to be better with the middle class so they can break through the propaganda the GOP spews which somehow convinces some guy making 40-70k a year that voting republican is going to work out better for him economically, considering they want to freeze the minimum wage, destroy collective bargaining, oppose universal child care, oppose universal parental leave, oppose college debt relief, etc.. And let's not forget, in regard to the trump tax cuts "The individual and pass-through tax cuts expire in 2025, and starting in 2021 will increase over time; this will become a net tax increase in 2027, however, corporate tax cuts are permanent."

The ACA is a trainwreck precisely because it combines the absolute worst aspects of governmental involvement and private insurance.....but I guess that was all that was passable at the time given blue dog resistance and the incredibly powerful insurance lobby. It's also put us on a path where medicare in its current form is going to get age eligibility expanded instead of building a new system from the ground up with physicians at the table. It's a textbook example of how incrementalism from moderates fails.
 
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I don't expect that the dems message on taxes regardless of what they say will resonate with the crowd here. But I agree their messaging has got to be better with the middle class so they can break through the propaganda the GOP spews which somehow convinces some guy making 40-70k a year that voting republican is going to work out better for him economically, considering they want to freeze the minimum wage, destroy collective bargaining, oppose universal child care, oppose universal parental leave, oppose college debt relief, etc.

The ACA is a trainwreck precisely because it combines the absolute worst aspects of governmental involvement and private insurance.....but I guess that was all that was passable at the time given blue dog resistance and the incredibly powerful insurance lobby. It's also put us on a path where medicare in its current form is going to get age eligibility expanded instead of building a new system from the ground up with physicians at the table. It's a textbook example of how incrementalism from moderates fails.
You'd be surprised. Don't get me wrong, I don't WANT to pay more taxes but I'd be willing to if you can sell the benefits of doing so to me.
 
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Yes. You know there’s a problem with your platform when 75% of the party is saying “it’s the voters that are the problem, not us.”

The main reason why the ACA is hated by so many is you can’t design a healthcare system so that the more you pay, the less you get.

The main reason the ACA is hated is because it didn't do the one thing that was needed to lower costs and increase coverage: make a big coverage pool filled with *all* the people (including the young, healthy, working ones) and then split the cost amongst *all* the people.......aka single payer.

The ACA's fragmentented pools being separate from medicaid being separate from medicare being separate from private insurance was never going to work.
 
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But why would you be celebrating someone like this and say he should be in congress?!?!?!
If you look at history social media history it slants heavily towards being racist.
He shouldn't have had a gun in the first place, shouldn't have crossed state lines and shouldn't have been in the area.
Why is this someone that people are cheering and celebrating, specifically the gop?
This is another example of why we're saying that we do indeed live in "maga country" and it's not just 50 kkk members that hold problematic views and actions and voted for trump. The gop is putting this guy on a platform. Disgusting.

You’re right. There’s no argument here. It deserves repeating. If this is a face for the GOP, or a voice they elevate, it’s impossible to describe how wrong they are. One can only hope history judges them fairly.

If KR is Muslim, or kills a couple Trumpers at a MAGA rally while they were chasing him down, this country’s response is far different.

Just calling it like I see it.
 
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You'd be surprised. Don't get me wrong, I don't WANT to pay more taxes but I'd be willing to if you can sell the benefits of doing so to me.
That's the thing. They propose tax increases but don't really push themselves as the party of fiscal responsibility. You can have my money if you're responsible with it, but that's not the picture they paint.
 
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I know we're kind of off the topic, but here's a breakdown that only compares black and white applicants with regard to affirmative action. I'd love to see an analysis that shows how many white people "stole a spot" from Asian applicants when comparing the average score matrices, because the answer would be *many*
 

I was never holding my breath that he'd face any legal trouble because of who he is, but now I might hold my breathy a tiny bit.
This is giving me life lol.
Just think, he could've been living his grand old life without many repercussions if he hadn't been a narcissistic and wanted to be president and ruined many lives along the way.
LOCK HIM UP!!
 
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Regarding the Cuban-American vote, I thought this thread from right after the election (by a Cuban American from Miami) provided good insight. Also, one thing to note is that many Cuban-Americans actually consider themselves to be "white". The US is just one of many countries throughout the world with a history of class systems deeply rooted in colorism and racism.

It was interesting to read her perspective. There may be some truth to what she wrote, though I thought the high school clique analogy was a little strained. I hadn't made the connection between the famous Obama hope poster and the kind of personality-cult portrait posters that plaster buildings and rallies in despotic countries but I can see that being the visceral turn-off she says it was.

Two other things struck me about all this, however:
1) She says they only voted for Trump because they were "1000% brainwashed" ... i.e. they are dumb.
2) Your note that many of them "consider themselves to be white" has some shade of Biden's "you ain't black" gaffe.

Which made me think of this:

Yes. You know there’s a problem with your platform when 75% of the party is saying “it’s the voters that are the problem, not us.”

Here we have a specific minority community that broke hard away from the Democratic party, and the phenomenon is being dismissed as merely some brainwashed people who aren't really minorities anyway. I mean, how contemptuous and dismissive is that? This is pretty much 180 degrees from thoughtful acknowledgement or logical refutation of the reasons those people actually say they voted the way they did.
 
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It was interesting to read her perspective. There may be some truth to what she wrote, though I thought the high school clique analogy was a little strained. I hadn't made the connection between the famous Obama hope poster and the kind of personality-cult portrait posters that plaster buildings and rallies in despotic countries but I can see that being the visceral turn-off she says it was.

Two other things struck me about all this, however:
1) She says they only voted for Trump because they were "1000% brainwashed" ... i.e. they are dumb.
2) Your note that many of them "consider themselves to be white" has some shade of Biden's "you ain't black" gaffe.

Which made me think of this:



Here we have a specific minority community that broke hard away from the Democratic party, and the phenomenon is being dismissed as merely some brainwashed people who aren't really minorities anyway. I mean, how contemptuous and dismissive is that? This is pretty much 180 degrees from thoughtful acknowledgement or logical refutation of the reasons those people actually say they voted the way they did.
I think there's some confusion about Cuban people and the history and culture there.
There are many white Cuban people. Many identify as white. They have ancestry from europe/spain.
If you go to cuba (I've been a few times), you'll see this very clearly. There are a lot of white cuban people and also Black cuban people with direct lineage from slavery. There are cultural differences.
Many (I think about half) of Cuban people identify as white.
Race is definitely a social construct, but yeah it's pretty clear that there are plenty of cuban people with european ancestory.
So yeah I never lumped all Cuban people together as a minority community based on race and not sure why other's would either. Just because someone speaks spanish does not mean they are Black or brown (aka a minority).
 
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I think there's some confusion about Cuban people and the history and culture there.
There are many white Cuban people. Many identify as white. They have ancestry from europe/spain.
If you go to cuba (I've been a few times), you'll see this very clearly. There are a lot of white cuban people and also Black cuban people with direct lineage from slavery. There are cultural differences.
Many (I think about half) of Cuban people identify as white.
Race is definitely a social construct, but yeah it's pretty clear that there are plenty of cuban people with european ancestory.
So yeah I never lumped all Cuban people together as a minority community based on race and not sure why other's would either. Just because someone speaks spanish does not mean they are Black or brown (aka a minority).
Interesting, I'll add that to the list of things I've learned from this thread :)
 
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Interesting, I'll add that to the list of things I've learned from this thread :)

Coincidentally I was just scrolling through twitter and saw this tweet. Sums up what I was trying to say succinctly :)

 
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Sammy Sosa is Dominican, but just sharing in case everyone didn't have an idea of how complex perception of race and color is in the Carib, central, and south America.
 
Also to add, not only do I feel like we get a poor history education of the US we also get a poor history education of the Caribbean and S America when it comes to slavery and the slave trade. Just not even getting the basics. Those regions were also hubs of slave trading, so just like we still have white people due to colonial take over in the US, there are still white people in Cuba, Jamaica, Brazil, Colombia, etc. Also a lot of people with Asian descent as well.

I went to this great museum in Guadeloupe that had a lot of history about the slave trade in the Caribbean and S America
 
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Sammy Sosa is Dominican, but just sharing in case everyone didn't have an idea of how complex perception of race and color is in the Carib, central, and south America.

Oh yes, anti-Blackness is alive and well, including in the Caribbean and Africa :/ Companies love to market skin lightening creams in certain countries. The European white standard of beauty still rules supreme and clearly money doesn’t buy happiness.
 
The fact of the matter is most Hispanics think they are white... That is the perception I got after spending time (more than 6 yrs total) in 3 'Spanish' countries. In 2 of these countries, it is an insult calling a dark skin Hispanic "black". You gotta call them "moreno", translation for brown in English.
 
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The fact of the matter is most Hispanics think they are white... That the perception I got after spending time (more than 6 yrs total) in 3 'Spanish' countries. In 2 of these countries, it is an insult calling a dark skin Hispanic "black". You gotta call them "moreno", translation for brown in English.
Yet, in Haiti, the term for a guy, just any dude, is "neg". This does come from the old French word for "black" ("negro"). The French use "noir" now for the color. I don't know what they say in Haiti.
 
Yes. You know there’s a problem with your platform when 75% of the party is saying “it’s the voters that are the problem, not us.”

The main reason why the ACA is hated by so many is you can’t design a healthcare system so that the more you pay, the less you get.
The ACA is hated because it sucks. It sucks because it is contrary to popular belief, a half assed try to have it both ways compromise because of Joe Lieberman who was in the pocket of the insurance companies and blocked a public option.
 
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In reality, there are so few URM in medical school before or after AA that it’s effect on White or Asian enrollment is a statistical rounding error. The data post Prop 209 in California reflects this.

Doesn't this indicate affirmative action is not successful? (assuming the reason for affirmative action is to increase URM enrollment)

HH
 
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I almost guarantee you the candidate Biden wanted was Stacey Abrams because she's loved by the black electorate and not seen a radical by white voters. I have my theories on why she wasn't chosen.

I know you are implying something I should but able to deduce, but I need help. Would you please expand or more specifically clarify?

What are your "theories on why she wasn't choosen"?

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I’ll never get over the irony of the “party of personal responsibility” accepting the kind of behavior from their losing presidential candidate which none of us would even accept from a 5 yr old at a little league game.
 
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It’s fun seeing the Republican Party destroy itself.
 
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It’s fun seeing the Republican Party destroy itself.
The problem is that it isn't actually destroying itself. There are too many believers who just eat that **** up and take every tweet as if it is 100% factual. Hell, there are guys who haven't needed to take Viagra in 4 years, all they have to do is look on twitter and they get an immediate rise. All of that **** just makes SENSE to them...which doesn't make sense to us at all. And even the people on the republican side who it doesn't make sense to find ways to look past it. "Well sure, he is wrong on that point, but would you look at what he did to China!"
 
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It’s fun seeing the Republican Party destroy itself.
I wouldn't count those chickens yet.

They'll probably pick up seats in the 2022 midterms, because that's what the party that's not in the White House does.

And it seems unlikely Biden will run for a second term, which puts Harris in the driver's seat for the 2024 Democratic nomination. Shades of HRC all over again. I don't know how much image remaking she'll accomplish as VP but she's got her work cut out for her.

Voters have short memories.
 
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I wouldn't count those chickens yet.

They'll probably pick up seats in the 2022 midterms, because that's what the party that's not in the White House does.

And it seems unlikely Biden will run for a second term, which puts Harris in the driver's seat for the 2024 Democratic nomination. Shades of HRC all over again. I don't know how much image remaking she'll accomplish as VP but she's got her work cut out for her.

Voters have short memories.
I think how Trump responds to GA and what ultimately ends up happening in GA will tell us. I’m thinking he’s going to seriously cripple the party.
 
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Don’t forget that Trump galvanized all those votes. I have a hard time believing he’s going to be campaigning for the GOP in the midterms...he may select candidates. And if we’re talking about Trump running in 2022 don’t discount him running as an independent. The future is grim for the GOP. That’s what happens when you let someone hijack your party. I think anyone who comes out of this thinking it’s GOP v Democrats instead of Trump v America is delusional.
 
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I think how Trump responds to GA and what ultimately ends up happening in GA will tell us. I’m thinking he’s going to seriously cripple the party.
Hard to know what he'll do. Those two GA Senate seats will go to the Republicans, of course. Barring meteor strikes. For all the talk of Trump's effect on turnout for the GOP, it cuts both ways. Without him running, the Democrat turnout won't be near as enthusiastic.

The shell game of Trump's personal finances could reach a tipping point or he could be doing time in NY before the midterms roll around.

I'm waiting for HRC to start tweeting "lock him up" just for the lulz.
 
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I don't think a GOP pickup of the House is inevitable. I give it about 50/50 at the moment. And if COVID becomes a thing of the past, the economy holds, an infrastructure (lol) bill gets done, and Biden is able to squeeze through some executive orders which are at least neutral to good on healthcare and immigration, then I think the odds tip toward a dem hold.

Also consider that there are way more vulnerable GOP senate seats up for grabs in 22 than there were this year. It could energize dem turnout because the prospect of booting Mitch from the leader seat is almost as delicious as booting trump.
 
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Hard to know what he'll do. Those two GA Senate seats will go to the Republicans, of course. Barring meteor strikes. For all the talk of Trump's effect on turnout for the GOP, it cuts both ways. Without him running, the Democrat turnout won't be near as enthusiastic.

The shell game of Trump's personal finances could reach a tipping point or he could be doing time in NY before the midterms roll around.

I'm waiting for HRC to start tweeting "lock him up" just for the lulz.
I don’t necessarily think it works both ways. Democrats can always invoke Trump. Republicans can only invoke him with his praise, and if they supported him through this nonsense. If you think about 2024, Trumps best chances might be running as an independent. Republicans are banking on him looking like a fool to his supporters over the next month but its not a very good move for them.
 
I don’t necessarily think it works both ways. Democrats can always invoke Trump. Republicans can only invoke him with his praise, and if they supported him through this nonsense. If you think about 2024, Trumps best chances might be running as an independent. Republicans are banking on him looking like a fool to his supporters over the next month but its not a very good move for them.

Yes, wishful thinking. If they've supported him through all the controversies thus far, what's going to change their mind in the next few months? Failed election lawsuits? Still fraudulent, the system cheated him. Imprisoned after NY comes after him? Look, they're still going after him unfairly even when he's out of office! How dare they?!
Like Trump said several years back, he "could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters." probably the most factual statement he made since 2015.
 
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Trump actually retweed this:





Did I go into the wrong profession? Should I have just went into scamming since Americans are this dumb?
 
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Trump actually retweed this:





Did I go into the wrong profession? Should I have just went into scamming since Americans are this dumb?

I always semi-jokingly say I should have been a televangelist. I would need to shower 30 times a day but if I couldn't do medicine I might as well get in on the fraud to our dumb citizens and drive a ferrari and charter planes all the time.
 
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I always semi-jokingly say I should have been a televangelist. I would need to shower 30 times a day but if I couldn't do medicine I might as well get in on the fraud to our dumb citizens and drive a ferrari and charter planes all the time.
You could always just use your medicine background, writing a tell all book. Big Pharma, Vaccines and the Conspiracy of Science: An Insider’s Account.
 
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Hard to know what he'll do. Those two GA Senate seats will go to the Republicans, of course. Barring meteor strikes. For all the talk of Trump's effect on turnout for the GOP, it cuts both ways. Without him running, the Democrat turnout won't be near as enthusiastic.

The shell game of Trump's personal finances could reach a tipping point or he could be doing time in NY before the midterms roll around.

I'm waiting for HRC to start tweeting "lock him up" just for the lulz.
Both GA Senate seats will absolutely go to the Republicans. David Perdue has done a good job for GA. John Ossoff is a nobody - a recycled perennial candidate who has never won an election and is far left. Kelly Loeffler would have easily been elected already if Doug Collins had stayed out of the race. As it was, the Republican votes were split. That won't happen next time - Loeffler will win with 60% or more. Raphael Warnock would easily be the most liberal Senator. Not gonna happen.
 
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