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SGU or Ross?!?!

Discussion in 'General International Discussion' started by Pursuing MD, Jun 26, 2002.

  1. Pursuing MD

    Pursuing MD Senior Member

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    Which school (SGU or Ross) would you say is better in preparing its students for the boards? And which Caribbean school has a higher rate of its students doing residency in the U.S.? Which would you attend?
     
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  3. Skip Intro

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    This is hard information to obtain, Pursuing, because it is heavily guarded by the administrators of these institutions.

    I am an MS2 at Ross right now. I can tell you this much: my starting class (last Fall) had about 260 students in it. That's a LOT, especially considering that there are three classes per year that start (the Fall is always the biggest, though). At the beginning of this semester, we were already down to 205. That includes transfers in, students that left on their own accord, and students who've failed courses and have to repeat. So, in less than a year, we lost about 20% of our class already.

    From what little information I can gather on my own, we should expect to lose another 20% before graduation. This will include continuing attrition and those students who will be unsuccessful at passing Step I in three attempts (and are, hence, **** out of luck, so to speak). In my original class, I would expect that around 150-160 or so will eventually graduate. The numbers are likely even lower for the January and May starting classes, which are traditionally MUCH less competitive.

    The thing about the Caribbean is that it's easy to get in. It doesn't mean that the programs are easy to stay in, though. In fact, the people that I've noticed so far who've failed have either failed because they didn't want to be here in the first place, or they just simply goofed around too much.

    But, to directly answer your question:whichever place you go, remember that what you ultimately do on your own will determine your own success. You have to study and study hard. The material won't be spoon fed to you. There are a lot of personal hardships, as well. It is advisable that, if you're on the borderline of being able to get an admission to a U.S. school, you sit out a year and try again - especially if you have your heart set on something other than Family Practice, Internal Medicine, or Pediatrics (about 70-75% of Ross grads get one of those three). Statistically, you are FAR less likely to get a residency in Emergency Medicine, Surgery, etc. if you go Caribbean.

    Good luck and do a LOT of homework before you make the decision to come to the islands.

    -Skip
    MS2 Ross University
    Portsmouth, Dominica
     
  4. nvrsumr

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    I met a Ross student who flew his "meat" down with him each semester on dry ice as a piece of luggage. You want consider more than just the school-Dominica might be primitive by US standards.

    Ive never been to Dominica or Grenada so the above story might be BS.
     
  5. Skip Intro

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by nvrsumr:
    <strong>I met a Ross student who flew his "meat" down with him each semester on dry ice as a piece of luggage. You want consider more than just the school-Dominica might be primitive by US standards.

    Ive never been to Dominica or Grenada so the above story might be BS.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, we have "meat" on the "rock." It is mainly fish and chicken, but we also regularly get hamburger and occasionally some other "meat" (e.g., VERY bad steaks, etc.) as imports. Still, I have heard of people bringing in hard, super-frozen Omaha steaks (for example) if they can't make it through a semester without their NY Strip... seems like a lot of trouble to go through to me, but I don't think it's b.s. to say that some do. Certain people bring all kinds of odd stuff to this place. Contact solution, however, is a necessity and something that anyone coming here (who wears contacts) should bring plenty of.
     
  6. J. Wood

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    I know that I'll probably get a lot of heat for saying this but I've heard time and time again from various posts on boards like this, from attendings at hospitals, and from various lecturers at school that SGU is the best of the schools in the Caribbean.
    You'll form your own opinion on the matter by doing your own research as you should. Our step I pass rate has mirrored that of students at US schools for several years now (data published by the National Board of Medical Examiners), our residency list is available on the SGU website and includes a lot of people matching into the more competitive specialties, etc. Is Ross also a good school. Without a doubt!! I'm just saying that if you had to choose between the two SGU may be a slightly better choice. The down side is that SGU is quite a bit more expensive.
    I once had to make the same decision myself after being accepted at both places--I chose SGU.
     
  7. chesspro_md

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    I don't think that you can go wrong with either school. I'm a third years student from Ross and I've done some rotations with sgu students. I think the most important thing is that you go to one of the two. I can tell you that you will get a great education from ross. The pass rate on step one is about the same. The best advice that i can give some one with this decision is to do your own research on the topic and don't listen to rumors. I know from experiance that if someone says that they heard something about one of the schools, they are usually wrong. Call both schools up and ask them exactly what their rotations sites are and a recent match list. I know this is on the ross website. If you want to know anything about ross just pm me and i'll answer any questions you might have. I won't comment on sgu because i didn't go there. But i will say that their grads are very good in my opinion. So just do your on research and choose the one that is best for you. If all else fails just visit one of the schools. Hope this helps.
     
  8. ApacheIndian

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    IMHO, SGU is the clear choice.
     
  9. Skip Intro

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    For a truly unbiased and balanced view on Ross (and the off-shore route), <a href="http://www.clas.ku.edu/us/medprofs/medforeign.htm" target="_blank">check this link</a>.
     
  10. ApacheIndian

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    Are you implying that my views are bias and unbalanced <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> Skip?

    Let's see... you're a Ross student posting a link for a site essentially (but subtly) extolling Ross... hmmm... but there's no bias there is there :confused: ???

    Skip, I know guys like you... I know guys like the guy who wrote that nonsense (i.e. "winding roads" & "beautiful waterfalls" lol) on that link. You're nice guys. You're relatively smart guys. That said, I think you are very naive about certain things.

    Incidentally, what is it that you're shooting for... residency wise I mean?
     
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    How old are you? You seem to assume a lot. Do you really think that site was "extolling" Ross? I didn't when I read it. Please explain why you think that it was and why you thought my post was in anyway directed towards you.

    -Skip
     
  12. ApacheIndian

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    Skip, I think we should just agree to disagree. After all my posts, you still fail to see my point. If after all I've written on this board, you still maintain your current standpoint, then I honestly think you lack the insight necessary, and you will never understand. I'm sure you'll be a great clinician in the future. Good luck to you.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dr. Cuts:
    <strong>Skip, I know guys like you... I know guys like the guy who wrote that nonsense (i.e. "winding roads" & "beautiful waterfalls" lol) on that link. You're nice guys. You're relatively smart guys. That said, I think you are very naive about certain things.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is what I'm responding to. What makes you think I'm "very naive about certain things"? Do you have some insight about what my personal feelings are about Dominica, Ross, or going this route are that I haven't already mulled over a 1,000 or more times and think about everyday when I go to class? You seem to assume that you "know guys like (me)" - I'm interesting in hearing who I 'really' am then, since you purport to have such insight into my character.

    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dr. Cuts:
    <strong>Incidentally, what is it that you're shooting for... residency wise I mean?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Internal Medicine. Then, I may go back to the pharmaceutical industry at the Director level - a position I would never have achieved without those magic little letters "M.D." behind my name. Or, perhaps I will continue my training by sub-specializing, and practice medicine for a living. Either way, my opportunities will be far wider than they were in my previous career.
     
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    Hello... Cuts... you out there?

    <img src="http://rockbottomdlux.freewebspace.com/smilies/Bolt.gif" alt=" - " />
     
  15. ApacheIndian

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    Sorry Skip... I've been on one of those 3 week long weekends...

    I think we're actually both on the same page Skip... we just express our [similar] views differently. No offense intended by my previous post. By the way, I think that's an absolutely wonderful career choice for you... seriously. I'll be floating around the boards later this week... take care.
     
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  17. stephew

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    Skip touches on some important issues. Basically arm yourself with this bit of knowledge:
    1) pass rate on the USMLE step one..but then...
    2) what percent *make* it to the USMLE *with* their class; if only for instance 1/2 do, that's not good.
    3) residencies. Remember, while Yale-Norwalk may be an excellent community hospital (and it is) its not Yale in the proper university sence and a school may mislead you if they prey on your ignorence of these things.

    At sgu the pass rate the last few years has been 93-94%, approximately 85-90% make it to the boards with their class, the rest mostly being "decels" that is they "decel" to a slower academic track, and a minority dropping out/failing. Im hoping to get exact numbers on this sometime this week and I hope to find that these historical numbers haven't changed much since they've taken on a larger class. We'll see. (I will exclude in the figures-or rather make a note of-those who attend sgu from other countries than the US/Canada and who opt not to take the USMLE).
    Steph
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