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roxil250 said:So I'm going to be starting med school this fall and I've been in a relationship for 2 years now. My bf used to really want to go to university, but then decided for one reason or another that his current job is fine and there's no need for uni. He doesn't seem to particularly like his job and it doesn't pay overly well, but it does pay the bills.
Perhaps it shouldn't bother me that he may never get a post-secondary education, but it does. One of the things that attracted me to him was how passionate he was about his future, as I am about mine. Now he seems to be crapping out because the prospect of a 4 year degree seems too daunting. Has anyone been in a similar situation?
roxil250 said:So I'm going to be starting med school this fall and I've been in a relationship for 2 years now. My bf used to really want to go to university, but then decided for one reason or another that his current job is fine and there's no need for uni. He doesn't seem to particularly like his job and it doesn't pay overly well, but it does pay the bills.
Perhaps it shouldn't bother me that he may never get a post-secondary education, but it does. One of the things that attracted me to him was how passionate he was about his future, as I am about mine. Now he seems to be crapping out because the prospect of a 4 year degree seems too daunting. Has anyone been in a similar situation?
roxil250 said:So I'm going to be starting med school this fall and I've been in a relationship for 2 years now. My bf used to really want to go to university, but then decided for one reason or another that his current job is fine and there's no need for uni. He doesn't seem to particularly like his job and it doesn't pay overly well, but it does pay the bills.
Perhaps it shouldn't bother me that he may never get a post-secondary education, but it does. One of the things that attracted me to him was how passionate he was about his future, as I am about mine. Now he seems to be crapping out because the prospect of a 4 year degree seems too daunting. Has anyone been in a similar situation?
Ha yeah, I was. It didn't work out and now that I look back on it, I'm glad. He wouldn't even finish high school and I had to draw the line somewhere. I understood that not everyone is as motivated as I am, but his case was too extreme.roxil250 said:So I'm going to be starting med school this fall and I've been in a relationship for 2 years now. My bf used to really want to go to university, but then decided for one reason or another that his current job is fine and there's no need for uni. He doesn't seem to particularly like his job and it doesn't pay overly well, but it does pay the bills.
Perhaps it shouldn't bother me that he may never get a post-secondary education, but it does. One of the things that attracted me to him was how passionate he was about his future, as I am about mine. Now he seems to be crapping out because the prospect of a 4 year degree seems too daunting. Has anyone been in a similar situation?
roxil250 said:So I'm going to be starting med school this fall and I've been in a relationship for 2 years now. My bf used to really want to go to university, but then decided for one reason or another that his current job is fine and there's no need for uni. He doesn't seem to particularly like his job and it doesn't pay overly well, but it does pay the bills.
Perhaps it shouldn't bother me that he may never get a post-secondary education, but it does. One of the things that attracted me to him was how passionate he was about his future, as I am about mine. Now he seems to be crapping out because the prospect of a 4 year degree seems too daunting. Has anyone been in a similar situation?
BlackBantie said:What worries me about your bf is that he's sticking with his current job even though he hates it. Best of luck
roxil250 said:So I'm going to be starting med school this fall and I've been in a relationship for 2 years now. My bf used to really want to go to university, but then decided for one reason or another that his current job is fine and there's no need for uni. He doesn't seem to particularly like his job and it doesn't pay overly well, but it does pay the bills.
Perhaps it shouldn't bother me that he may never get a post-secondary education, but it does. One of the things that attracted me to him was how passionate he was about his future, as I am about mine. Now he seems to be crapping out because the prospect of a 4 year degree seems too daunting. Has anyone been in a similar situation?
kypdurron5 said:If ambition and drive are something you value in a significant other, then you should find someone who matches your interests. I am a guy, and I honestly dont care whether my perfect girl (when I finally meet her) is a waitress at the local burger joint or a Ph.D. However, I know a lot of girls that have very traditional values, and feel that any men they date should be education/career driven, possess strong leadership qualities, and make the most money out of the two incomes. In the end there are all sorts of relationships that do work out despite drastic differences. Not all couples look the same, act the same, and seem like perfect matches. I cant tell you how often Ive seen skinny people married to overweight people, or short people married to tall people. If the traditional model is that a husband pursues the strongest career option while the wife pursues the family option, why cant we have the reverse of that? The other thing you may want to ask yourself is whether or not youll be ok if he stops working altogether. There will likely be a time in the future when youre making more than enough money to support your family; if hes not very driven as far as careers and education go then he would have little incentive to continue working. Is that a possibility youre ok with? While I dont want a lazy wife, I would have no problem with my wife being a housewife (lol, I foresee the soccer mom model . Then again if she wants to be a successful doctor, lawyer, or businesswoman Im ok with that as well. The truth is that its different for guys and girls though. You sound like someone who wants an ambitious man; theres nothing wrong with that. If it irritates you now, think about how youll feel when youre making all the money and he literally has no incentive to get up before noon.
Finally, one good thing about this dynamic is that youre not going to be working during the next four years. In addition, youll be accumulating a massive amount of debt. While a significant other cant put you through medical school, his income could still pay household bills until youre done. I think this dynamic is almost necessary if youre going to get married while in medical school. One person in school and one person working is the best way to pull resources; youd be really taxed if you tried to both go to four year institutions at the same time. Dont push him to do something he doesnt want to do though. If hes not the college kind of guy then hes just not; you may wish he was, but instead you have to accept it and then decide what youre going to do.
roxil250 said:Appreciate the responses. Nope, not from England haha. I agree with you all - someone cannot be judged based on the amount of institutional education they have, since education comes in so many forms. But the person I'm with must have an ambition to learn throughout their life. Right now, I'm not sure if he has that.
Perhaps what puzzles me is that he works incredibly hard at his job. He doesn't hate the job itself, but the long hours he has to put in make it somewhat unpleasant. And this job isn't exactly a stepping stone to something amazing. He really is quite smart, and works hard at anything he decides to do... when he actually decides to do it. It seems like such a natural progression to me to go to post-secondary (I have a lot of difficulty understanding why he wouldn't). But maybe it's not in the cards for him, and I know I can't force that. *sigh*
As a follow-up to this let me just say that you know whether this will work or not. The very fact that you've brought this issue to the forums means you're not ignoring it, that's very important; don't ever just brush it off as something "little that you'll work out."defrunner said:Not to be a downer, but my experiences and from what various friends have told me throughout my life lead me to believe that this won't end well for you. Many women who are career-driven like you seem to be, that want a guy who has some kind of similar ambitions, will often get very frustrated at the perceived lack of progress and effort on the guy's part (especially if he wouldn't have done it without her prodding, so to speak). Women often make the mistake of thinking that they can change a guy, and what they see to be his faults, when they get in a relationship with him. Most of the time, it fails or if the guy is currently doing it to make her happy, it's only because he's doing it just to get laid. Either way, if it's not in his nature to do so, it will manifest itself sooner or later.
Whatever happens with you two, it sure sounds like this will become a major point that could make or break your relationship. It's already started and the more serious you two get, the more serious this problem will get as well. Many people say that opposites attract, and that's not really true. It's true that superficially, opposites attract especially for short-term things, but the main thing that keeps couples together is if they have similar interests at heart. If a man is content to be the breadwinner and the woman is content to be the soccer mom, then they won't really have problems. However, if the guy is the breadwinner and does not really want to have his girlfriend/wife be as successful as he is, let alone more successful, then it can cause problems. Conversely, a woman may be ambitious and educated and if she wants her boyfriend/husband to be at least as similarly motivated, she will have problems with him if he isn't doing that, especially if he is content to be a freeloader or work in a dead-end, predictable job for the rest of his life.
My point is, the best relationships come when two people fit naturally together. This doesn't sound like it right now and can be a major source of friction down the road if nothing is said or done about it. Just an objective point of view.
roxil250 said:So I'm going to be starting med school this fall and I've been in a relationship for 2 years now. My bf used to really want to go to university, but then decided for one reason or another that his current job is fine and there's no need for uni. He doesn't seem to particularly like his job and it doesn't pay overly well, but it does pay the bills.
Perhaps it shouldn't bother me that he may never get a post-secondary education, but it does. One of the things that attracted me to him was how passionate he was about his future, as I am about mine. Now he seems to be crapping out because the prospect of a 4 year degree seems too daunting. Has anyone been in a similar situation?
roxil250 said:"do you see yourself becoming really interested in something soon?" Bah, confusing.
defrunner said:Oh, by the way, while all of this is good advice, it really shouldn't be a substitute for what you know in your heart. Don't let us tell you what to do. All we are doing is putting down in writing what you may or may not already know, based on an outsider's objective view of what we know of your situation.
You obviously need to talk to him about this immediately, because you wouldn't have started this thread and have kept responding if it didn't bother you. I didn't mean to imply in my original post that his lack of education was the bad thing; my mom (a PhD) remarried to a truck driver and she's never been happier. It does sound like he has a lack of ambition and is incompatible at heart with you; however, it is not fair to him that you are discussing all of this on a public forum (albeit anonymously) behind his back. I mean, as a guy myself, I wouldn't want a girlfriend talking about me behind my back, asking advice from friends, let alone strangers. I'd like to think that she can always come to me if there's a problem.
If you know in your heart that it may not work out in the end because this is too much of an issue to overcome, then it is best for both of you to make a clean break now before you get any deeper into this relationship. Otherwise, it'll be a few more wasted years and will lead to even more hurt, resentment and anger at the end.
defrunner said:If you know in your heart that it may not work out in the end because this is too much of an issue to overcome, then it is best for both of you to make a clean break now before you get any deeper into this relationship. Otherwise, it'll be a few more wasted years and will lead to even more hurt, resentment and anger at the end.
hanjoko said:hm...I don't know if what I am going to say is related to the original situation, but here is a question for you.
How do you know that it MAY not work out in the end because it is too much of an issue to overcome? How does anyone know for sure that something will not work out? If you don't try and give all you have, how do you know 100% that this will not work out? I guess I understand that you might waste time if you stay on the current track, but at the same time, it MIGHT work out in the end, too.
I guess what I want to say is...you cannot just be afraid of what might happen in the future. I think it is fairly selfish for someone (not to you personally but from some of my personal experiences) to end the relationship "permaturely" just because there is some sort of obstacle that they need to deal with now. I think that as long as you are in a relationship, you need to try your best and see where it leads. If it ends badly, fine. At least you try your best to make it work. If it does not work out in the end, fine. At least you know for sure not to make the same mistake, if any. If he or she ends up hating you, fine. At least you are not the one who gives up until there is absolutely no way to keep the relationship alive.
What I have found irritating is when people say, "oh...we are breaking up now so that we won't hurt each other in the end when things turn sour." Shouldn't you keep trying until there is absolutely nothing you can do? AND, you have already hurt the other person when you are not even willing to try your best...just because you are afraid of what might happen in the future.
Sorry if this is totally irrelevent to what the current situation OP is in...
Get ready for medicine.roxil250 said:the long hours he has to put in make it somewhat unpleasant.
doctoresse said:Once I'm done, he can concentrate in real-estate only while I'm the breadwinner
Callogician said:Wow!
I am very impressed by your powers of self-deception.
(Hint: by marrying someone who is financially strong while you are in school, you are marrying up in socioeconomic class)
):( said:You sound like you're just graduating from high school and entering a university. Is that true? If so, then break up with him now so you are not bummed during school. When you get to university you will want to have fun and a restricting boyfriend may ruin some of it for you.
Rafa said:Burn! She's entering med school, I believe. Still, I agree with the overall sentiments of this thread. To put it bluntly, if you resent him now, which your posts suggest you do, it's either going to get worse or better in the future. Things rarely get better by ignoring them. The way I see it, you've got three choices: dump him, talk to him, or learn to live with him. He has his own mind, and you have yours. You shouldn't expect him to conform to your idea of an ideal mate anymore than he should expect you to drop out of med school and join a traveling circus with him. It may not be easy, but eventually you're either going to have to move on, or learn to deal. Your choice, and good luck.
jackieMD2007 said:You shouldn't have to "learn to live" with someone else. No no no no no. No again. No. The second point about expectations is good though.
notdeadyet said:Get ready for medicine.
):( said:To the OP: you said education comes in many different forms or something along those lines. This may be true, however that does not mean you will be able to have a conversation with him about the potential of stem cell technology or the faults in our country's infrastructure, at least an educated conversation. He is not stupid, only lacking the education. A good school should raise your level of thinking. You may become annoyed with his ignorance or lack of understanding.
You sound like you're just graduating from high school and entering a university. Is that true? If so, then break up with him now so you are not bummed during school. When you get to university you will want to have fun and a restricting boyfriend may ruin some of it for you.
Rafa said:That's my point :^) Settling sucks, and isn't practical. But I listed her choices, and those are the basic three. Personally, I'd choose door 1 (dumping him) or door 2 (talking to him). But if she doesn't want to do either, she'll choose door 3 (staying with him, and secretly being angry with him). If she isn't satisfied now, unless she convinces him otherwise (or he changes her definition of an ideal husband), she isn't ever going to be satisfied inside.
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Callogician said:
I love how people are still responding as though level of education isn't a big fat red herring. If this guy won the lottery, she would accept his marriage proposal tommorow.
Callogician said:Wow!
I am very impressed by your powers of self-deception.
(Hint: by marrying someone who is financially strong while you are in school, you are marrying up in socioeconomic class)
I'd actually disagree with that. Learning to live with someone is what marraige or the equivalent is all about. Love's fine at first, but any relationship, if you stay in it long enough, is learning to live with the other person and all of the comprimise and work that comes with it.jackieMD2007 said:You shouldn't have to "learn to live" with someone else. No no no no no. No again. No.