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Anyone know much about the social medicine tracks within Internal medicine or anyone in such a program? I haven't been able to find many such programs - besides the one at Brigham and Women's.....

Does anyone know about this? Thanks!
 

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Hey do you have any personal experience with the program and Brigham and Womens? It seems like that is one of the most competitive IM residencies...yes?
 
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Anyone know much about the social medicine tracks within Internal medicine or anyone in such a program? I haven't been able to find many such programs - besides the one at Brigham and Women's.....

Does anyone know about this? Thanks!
Yes! Montefiore Medical Center (the teaching hospital for Albert Einstein College of Medicine) in the Bronx, NYC has an amazing Social Medicine program. Its social medicine department is the oldest of its kind in the country. I'm in the program and was drawn to its unique and comprehensive curriculum. You can visit the following site for more info:
http://www.aecom-montefiore-medres.org/special_programs/index.html
 

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KatieJune said:
Anyone know much about the social medicine tracks within Internal medicine or anyone in such a program? I haven't been able to find many such programs - besides the one at Brigham and Women's.....

Does anyone know about this? Thanks!
UNC has a Department of Social Medicine, but not a social medicine residency track.

The closest analogues would be the primary care tracks at some institutions, e.g., UCSF Primary Care IM. You will get a similar cohort of residents.
 

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KatieJune said:
Anyone know much about the social medicine tracks within Internal medicine or anyone in such a program? I haven't been able to find many such programs - besides the one at Brigham and Women's.....

Does anyone know about this? Thanks!
To be more specific - the UCSF primary care IM program at San Francisco General will be more similar to a social med program that their Gen Med Primary Care IM program based at Moffet. I had assumed they were the same but when I went out to interview found the faculty interests and patient population to be quite different.
 

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Hey, does anyone know how competitive these programs tend to be (assuming you have a demonstrated interest in social medicine)... I'm about in the middle of my class (rank wise)...I don't think I'll be competitive for programs at Brigham and Womens or UCSF - but are the primary care tracks less competitive? What about the competitiveness of Montefiore? Thanks a lot!



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To be more specific - the UCSF primary care IM program at San Francisco General will be more similar to a social med program that their Gen Med Primary Care IM program based at Moffet. I had assumed they were the same but when I went out to interview found the faculty interests and patient population to be quite different.
 

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Hey, does anyone know how competitive these programs tend to be (assuming you have a demonstrated interest in social medicine)... I'm about in the middle of my class (rank wise)...I don't think I'll be competitive for programs at Brigham and Womens or UCSF - but are the primary care tracks less competitive? What about the competitiveness of Montefiore? Thanks a lot!
Difficult to quantify but I would say that the primary care tracks at BWH and UCSF are not necessarily less competitive than the categorical tracks. The Monty social medicine program is strong and the residents are great, but it is simply not as competitive as BWH/UCSF.

-AT.
 

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Hi. Sorry to tag along on the thread but I just posted the following a few weeks ago in the allo forum but didn't get much response.
Anyway - just wanted to throw another link in. (saving time by cutting & pasting):

Hi,

So, I went to a talk that was loosely about social medicine (giving by a really inspirational physician who runs a hospice in DC). One of the underlying points in his talk was the importance of mentoring, and how although many residencies will give you a lot of exposure to the impoverished and medically underserved, being mentored by a person to is really interested in providing care to this population is different than training with people who serve these communities as a matter of circumstance.

"Social Medicine" as a field I think is more established in the UK, and I don't want to get into a pissing contest about socialized medicine. But, there are programs here in the U.S. (Harvard, B&W, Einstein, and I'm sure there are others - some appear to specifically target international opportunities ). It appears to me that you do this training after FP or medicine.

Has anyone here heard about these programs and what the typical sequence of training is? Can one match into a program? At B & W, it looks like you have to do your prelim year there first and then apply.

I haven't found much with google (since this just brings up the individual programs and I can't seem to find any national coalition of academic programs in social medicine training, for instance:
http://www.socialmed.net/ is just Cook County's program, and
http://www.socialmedicine.org/ is Einstein's program

I'm interested in ways that this training may be useful in an academic career.

Once again - thanks for the help, and constructive comments only please - this isn't a trolling thread...

atsai3, you study epi, right? Do you know of anyone trained in social medicine who also does social epidemiology research?
 

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Hi. Sorry to tag along on the thread but I just posted the following a few weeks ago in the allo forum but didn't get much response.
Anyway - just wanted to throw another link in. (saving time by cutting & pasting):

atsai3, you study epi, right? Do you know of anyone trained in social medicine who also does social epidemiology research?
I guess that depends what you mean by "social epidemiology research". People use the term "social medicine" fairly loosely AFAIK -- i.e., some who didn't specifically train in one of the social medicine residency programs would still say that they "do" social medicine.

-AT.
 

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I should probably clarify. I'm getting an MD/PhD in epidemiology, but my school doesn't have faculty interested in social epidemiology. But, based on epi conferences I've gone to over the years, it seems like social epidemiology is a "hot field". It seems like an interesting area (multi-level analysis, community/neighborhood structure, issues of classism/racism/sexism, etc). But, most of the speakers I heard about are academic epidemiologists - I wasn't sure if there were many physicians who were also conducting this research. On the other hand, I think some of our professors in the nursing school may be approaching this field.

When I decided to go to medical school, I wanted to treat underserved populations. Since I've been here, I've seen a lot of volunteerism within the medical community. And, when I stating in the previous post that many physicians learn how to care for people within the current system "as a matter of circumstance", I meant that, because patients coming to academic medical centers may have important social histories and limited access to care, interested providers may learn how to work the system in order to help their patients. So, with good mentoring, interested trainee physicians can probably find adequate learning experiences in many programs. But, I think it's a different experience to fully immerse yourself in a program that treats social medicine as an intentional (and academic) discipline.

There are probably a lot of academic physicians with MD/MPH's who, if they are doing research, would probably be within the realm of social epi. But I didn't really know about social medicine as an option until recently, so the combination of social medicine practice and social epidemiologic research seemed a bit novel to me. (probably just my lack of exposure, though).

A follow-up question: Are there professional organizations within the US for social medicine? Physicians for Social Responsibility and Physicians for a National Health Program have specific goals, but I don't know of any that broadly address social medicine.
 

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Does anyone know of any more social medicine tracks and their websites?

Thanks!
 
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