Sometimes leave it to god...

[the Undergrad]

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"When things dont seem to be going your way, always know that god has a plan. If you place your trust in Him, he will give you great gifts. People get what they want, just not the way they had imagined. We dont always know what God's plans are for us. We just know His ways are not our way, but His ways are best"
-Anonymous

Thats right. Well today I found out where I stand so far in all my classes this semester. I was goin to apply to ucla for admission in november this year. But now knowing what my overall GPA will look like, Im sorry to say that now I wont even be applying to UCLA for admission. I have decided now that I'm most probably going to UC Irvine in January 2004. Since to even apply, your GPA must be atleast a 3.20 (for transfers) and knowing my this semesters grades, I dont even have a 3.20. So yeah, maybe its destiny ang god just doesnt want me to attend ucla since first he closed the winter quarter for tranfers this year and now brought me to a point where i cant even apply for admissions. Besides UCI is a pretty good school, if not better than UCLA.

(btw, im at a jc)

 

[the Undergrad]

Originally posted by UCLAMAN
hmm...ok...thanks for sharing

I hope you learned something....

 

[UCLAMAN]

Originally posted by the Undergrad
I hope you learned something....

I did...thanks!🙂

 

[the Undergrad]

Originally posted by UCLAMAN
I did...thanks!🙂

cool🙂

I was wondering why you deleted your second reply 😕

 

[supersunny]

dude i go to a jc in cali and just got into ucla and ucsd with a 3.15. don't sweat it... contact me if you want more info.

 

[MaybeMD]

^really??? did you do peace corps or something?! what was your mcat, if you don't mind telling.😀

 

[MaybeMD]

wait a minute i just realized you were not talking about med school...sorry

 

[dreaminOfMD>.<]

Undergrad,

Don't give up hope! Please don't give up on UCLA just b/c you feel your GPA isn't good enough. I know someone who got into UCLA with a gpa slightly higher than 3.0, but lower than a 3.2. Just try to maintain a 3.0, write a kick a$$ personal statement, and do whatever else it takes. I think as long as you have a 3.0 at the time of application, you'll make the cut-off and they'll look at the rest of your application. From there, it takes making the rest of your application look really good.

 

[the Undergrad]

Thanks guys..

But my gpa has reached an all time low....and honestly, i dont think i have a chance...i mean just cuz ur at a jc doesnt mean theyll pity anyone and take him/her....plus my gpa is just a lil above 3.0...seriously when i saw that, i didnt know how to react...im not a bad student, i try...but in my personal experiences, ive noticed that whatever has to happen, happens...its all fate...and we can try as hard as we can but whats not in our fate, its not in it, simple.

and i dont want to apply and waste another year at a jc and STILL get rejected..that'll feel worse than sportingly accept UCI at the moment...i understand how ur all sayin not to lose hope but i just have to accept the situation as is...im not negative over anything...im still optimistic that whereever ill go, ill do my best....but sometimes things just dont work out the way u want them to and u gotta accept what u gotta accept...

besides uci isnt a bad school, is it? i mean its not like ppl who go there end up workin at a mcdonalds or kfc...no offense to those that do im just givin an example...i mean if i have to be successful, i can be just that anywhere...will it really matter ten years from now what undergrad i finally graduated from?

the only thing that worries me is now ill have to complete MORE pre-reqs...i mean at www.assist.org, ive completed all of uclas pre=reqs...now i have to take EXTRA courses when i GET to uci to meet their requirements...but who said life was fair🙄

 

[dreaminOfMD>.<]

why not just apply to both rather than just one? why have you lost all hope...by the way, uci's an excellent school. i'm just sayin that if it was you goal to get into a school, whether it be ucla or uci, you should try until you know for a fact that it wasn't meant to be. at this point, you still don't know. keep trying undergrad, it won't hurt to just apply and find out.

have you already applied or something? are you already holding an acceptance to transfer to uci? cuz if that's the case, that's a whole different story.

 

[the Undergrad]

Originally posted by dreaminOfMD>.<
why not just apply to both rather than just one? why have you lost all hope...by the way, uci's an excellent school. i'm just sayin that if it was you goal to get into a school, whether it be ucla or uci, you should try until you know for a fact that it wasn't meant to be. at this point, you still don't know. keep trying undergrad, it won't hurt to just apply and find out.

have you already applied or something? are you already holding an acceptance to transfer to uci? cuz if that's the case, that's a whole different story.

nah i havnt applied anywhere yet..i was talking abt how IF i apply this nov. and NOT get in ucla anyway...so that would be like wasting time at a JC becuz IF i get rejected, i'd have to go to uci anyways..u know what i mean? so might as well go to uci now and get over all this crap...

yeah i agree abt "it wont hurt to just apply and find out" But WHAT IF im rejected....but then again, i shouldn't think of WHAT IFs and "Leave it to God" like the title of this thread says...

Btw, is it true that ucla asks for fall semesters grades via online and THEN make their decisions? like if i apply Fall 2003 to ucla, they'll expect me to turn in the grades for fall 2003 semester...

i volunteer, part of the TAP program(they say acceptance rate is high w/TAP), and will be done w/all pre-reqs by the time i transfer...

what say?

 

[dreaminOfMD>.<]

yup, you have to submit your grades for fall semester once it has been completed. that should give you a bit of hope as well. take your own advice and do what the the title states. really shouldn't live your life on "what if's". go for it....otherwise, you'll be asking yourself 'what if' for as long as you live...i'd rather just take the risk.

 

[Peter Parker]

why post if you're leaving all this to 'god'? it's not like we're going to make a difference or anything ...

😕

i'm sorry, but i don't get the point of this thread ... i hope i'm not being irrational here.

 

[GoodMonkey]

Originally posted by the Undergrad
So yeah, maybe its destiny ang god just doesnt want me to attend ucla since first he closed the winter quarter for tranfers this year and now brought me to a point where i cant even apply for admissions.

hmmm... i'm guessing it's not god who closed the winter quarter for transfers. just a guess though. and i also think *your* work and *your* choices, and not necessarily god, may have been instrumental in bringing you to this point where you believe you can't even apply for admissions.

 

[Moskeeto]

hey undergrad, don't listen to the pagan scum, they don't know what they're talking about after all they're wanting to become doctors. if that heathen, cocky "I don't trust god enough to heal you so I will" attitude doesn't prove their complete lack of faith and inability to pass the blame onto the lord, then I don't know what will.

 

[GoodMonkey]

Originally posted by Moskeeto
hey undergrad, don't listen to the pagan scum, they don't know what they're talking about after all they're wanting to become doctors. if that heathen, cocky "I don't trust god enough to heal you so I will" attitude doesn't prove their complete lack of faith and inability to pass the blame onto the lord, then I don't know what will.

 

[relatively prime]

Originally posted by Moskeeto
... if that heathen, cocky "I don't trust god enough to heal you so I will" attitude doesn't prove their complete lack of faith and inability to pass the blame onto the lord, then I don't know what will.

LOL!!

 

[the Undergrad]

Thanks for the advice everyone (yeah even the clowns 🙄 )

Well right now I only have like two options. I prefer the second one. You decide now...

#1

I take 12 units of classes in the six week long summer session. That'll raise my gpa to 3.11 ASSUMING i get all As...(btw, they'll all be relatively easier classes, but hello, its 4 classes!) I dunno if this is the best option considering the workload...and still no guarantee that i'll get in even if i get straight As. And then I have the Fall semester grades..i'll only take like 8-10 units then...
The catch, however, is that ALL those out of those four courses, three will just be ELECTIVES...courses that I dont need at all...so I dunno if this is a great idea 😕


#2

Forget ucla, go to uci in their winter quarter (btw, im positive i can get in there). Finish up all undergrad courses and graduate by June 2005 (the right time to graduate from college...i grad from hs in 2001).
The catch is that I wont take the MCAT at all during my undergrad years...Instead I plan to take it in April of my senior year...then take it again in August of 2005 if I dont do so good....that way i'll have a year to myself doin some research, job, or study for MCAT w/o any worries of school work...

But can I EVEN take the MCAT after graduation? Or is it mandatory that you take it in ur junior year?😕


What say? which option is better?

 

[zer0el]

the Undergrad, this won't help you too much, but based on past experiences, many SDN members will ridicule you for your faith in God. don't let them get to you. think of it this way: they laugh at you because they think you're crazy. we pity them because they're going to hell.

and i have no idea how to advise you as far as what classes to take. but i will tell you that UCLA won't give you much of an advantage over UCI when applying to med schools. also, you can take the MCAT anytime you want to.

 

[the Undergrad]

Originally posted by zer0el
the Undergrad, this won't help you too much, but based on past experiences, many SDN members will ridicule you for your faith in God. don't let them get to you. think of it this way: they laugh at you because they think you're crazy. we pity them because they're going to hell.

Thanks, but I wasnt making fun of anyones god...I was just saying that IN MY PAST EXPERIENCES, its always been a game of luck..when i was in middle school, I was honor roll every quarter, EXCEPT ONE, and because of that, I got no recognition at graduation. When I was in hs, I was member of all honors societies but I was didnt qualify ONE SEMESTER and again, I was robbed of any recognition for all the extracurriculars i did...and again, the uni i wanted to attend closed its winter quarter when I was going to apply!!!!!

I mean if this is not fate, then what is? I believe in god but its just that I also believe in fate now...whatever has to happen, will happen...we can try our darndest, but if dont have something in store for us, then we wont get it....atleast not how WE wanted it...

Anyway if some fools wanna ridicule me, then let them. I'll ridicule them

 

[uniqueseraph]

Originally posted by the Undergrad
"When things dont seem to be going your way, always know that god has a plan. If you place your trust in Him, he will give you great gifts. People get what they want, just not the way they had imagined. We dont always know what God's plans are for us. We just know His ways are not our way, but His ways are best"
-Anonymous

I'm not sure what this post is about, but I do like the quote.🙂

 

[the Undergrad]

Okay, lets stick to the topic now...please!!

Sorry i didnt wanna offend anybody...if I did, my bad...

 

[zer0el]

hmm, no you weren't making fun of anybody else Undergrad, but posters such as Moskeeto certainly were making fun of you and what you believe in. Moskeeto's sarcasm in his post, in particular, pisses me off.

 

[the Undergrad]

Originally posted by zer0el
hmm, no you weren't making fun of anybody else Undergrad, but posters such as Moskeeto certainly were making fun of you and what you believe in. Moskeeto's sarcasm in his post, in particular, pisses me off.

Thanks for the support🙂

Okay, back to the actual topic now...lol

#1 or #2?

 

[dreaminOfMD>.<]

hey undergrad, don't listen to the pagan scum, they don't know what they're talking about after all they're wanting to become doctors. if that heathen, cocky "I don't trust god enough to heal you so I will" attitude doesn't prove their complete lack of faith and inability to pass the blame onto the lord, then I don't know what will.

👍

I take 12 units of classes in the six week long summer session. That'll raise my gpa to 3.11 ASSUMING i get all As...(

undergrad, you might be digging yourself in a deeper whole here. taking 12 units in the summer isn't easy...be careful about that.

he's not trying to apply to med school at this point people, he's trying to transfer to a 4yr from a JC.😉

i know for a fact from MY jc (fullerton college by the way), uci has a contractual agreement to transfer. you have to just have like 3.0 (maybe lower, i heard it went down to 2.8) and have finished your IGETC, bio, and gen chem. you don't even need to finish organic or physics, or calculus for that matter (don't hold me for this)...

 

[14931]

Originally posted by zer0el
the Undergrad, this won't help you too much, but based on past experiences, many SDN members will ridicule you for your faith in God. don't let them get to you. think of it this way: they laugh at you because they think you're crazy. we pity them because they're going to hell.

Amen

 

[Sophie]

I'd say go with #2, Undergrad. UCI's a good school, and the main thing affecting your acceptance to medical schools is your own performance, not the school you attended.

Originally posted by zer0el
think of it this way: they laugh at you because they think you're crazy. we pity them because they're going to hell.

Wow. Gotta appreciate how open-minded some people can be. 🙄 All that "love thy neighbor" crap isn't nearly as fun as telling people they're going to hell, especially with the necessary holier-than-thou "I pity you" finisher.

 

[Sophie]

Originally posted by the Undergrad
Thanks, but I wasnt making fun of anyones god...I was just saying that IN MY PAST EXPERIENCES, its always been a game of luck..when i was in middle school, I was honor roll every quarter, EXCEPT ONE, and because of that, I got no recognition at graduation. When I was in hs, I was member of all honors societies but I was didnt qualify ONE SEMESTER and again, I was robbed of any recognition for all the extracurriculars i did...and again, the uni i wanted to attend closed its winter quarter when I was going to apply!!!!!

Please don't take this the wrong way, Undergrad, but I think you're using "fate" as a scapegoat. You are the one that controls your own performance, you are the one that determines whether you make honor roll, and it's you who's choosing how hard to study. Saying you were "robbed" of recognition for the things you did just allows you to shift the blame from yourself to some unknown thief (or, in your posts, "fate").

It's unfortunate that UCLA closed its winter quarter transfers this year, but that is also not just some weird freak of fate. The UCs as a whole received so many applications for normal (Fall) admission this year that even after cramming in more students than is feasible for the campuses to take there were approximately 7600 students elligible to attend a UC left out that had to be made room for. And it's not like this surge in applicants was totally unexpected.. the numbers have been increasing for quite some time now.

In my opinion you should try very hard to get out of the pattern of blaming outside sources for your own performance. Psychological studies have proven that people who have this mentality do worse in nearly every aspect tested, and often think "Something is out to get me/I'm unlucky/Fate has screwed me over, poor me, there's nothing I can do about it". On the other hand, people who find internal causes for their failure tend to bounce back thinking something along the lines of "Okay, I messed that up and didn't work hard enough.. this time I will work much harder and make sure I succeed."

I'm not saying you're totally like that, since you did say you are going to do well once you're at a UC (which I'm sure you will), just that you have to watch out for any tendencies towards that mentality.

 

[the Undergrad]

Originally posted by dreaminOfMD>.<
👍 undergrad, you might be digging yourself in a deeper whole here. taking 12 units in the summer isn't easy...be careful about that.

he's not trying to apply to med school at this point people, he's trying to transfer to a 4yr from a JC.😉

i know for a fact from MY jc (fullerton college by the way), uci has a contractual agreement to transfer. you have to just have like 3.0 (maybe lower, i heard it went down to 2.8) and have finished your IGETC, bio, and gen chem. you don't even need to finish organic or physics, or calculus for that matter (don't hold me for this)...

Thanks dreaminOfMD<.>...🙂

Yeah I know 12 units in the summer is a lot, but thats the ONLY way to pull my mediocre gpa out of the rut...well, its only an option..i havnt started summer classes yet so im still ok...but yeah, you're right abt diggin a deeper hole....

what do you think abt my second option? If I start UCI in the winter quarter(jan 2004), I'll have till jun 2005 to complete all those courses req. for graduation..(abt 30-40 courses).. This way, I can graduate in time too...Meanwhile, I can take my first MCAT the April of 2005 and again in August 2005..thatll leave me w/a whole year to catch up on many things...

What say? Do I really have a choice on whenever to take the mcat? (or I HAVE to take it before graduation? 😕 )

 

[the Undergrad]

Originally posted by Sophie
Please don't take this the wrong way, Undergrad, but I think you're using "fate" as a scapegoat. You are the one that controls your own performance, you are the one that determines whether you make honor roll, and it's you who's choosing how hard to study. Saying you were "robbed" of recognition for the things you did just allows you to shift the blame from yourself to some unknown thief (or, in your posts, "fate").

It's unfortunate that UCLA closed its winter quarter transfers this year, but that is also not just some weird freak of fate. The UCs as a whole received so many applications for normal (Fall) admission this year that even after cramming in more students than is feasible for the campuses to take there were approximately 7600 students elligible to attend a UC left out that had to be made room for. And it's not like this surge in applicants was totally unexpected.. the numbers have been increasing for quite some time now.

In my opinion you should try very hard to get out of the pattern of blaming outside sources for your own performance. Psychological studies have proven that people who have this mentality do worse in nearly every aspect tested, and often think "Something is out to get me/I'm unlucky/Fate has screwed me over, poor me, there's nothing I can do about it". On the other hand, people who find internal causes for their failure tend to bounce back thinking something along the lines of "Okay, I messed that up and didn't work hard enough.. this time I will work much harder and make sure I succeed."

I'm not saying you're totally like that, since you did say you are going to do well once you're at a UC (which I'm sure you will), just that you have to watch out for any tendencies towards that mentality.

Thanks Sophie...Dont worry abt it, I didnt take anything youve said in a wrong way...🙂

However I just wanna ask you one question....

Do you not believe in fate entirely?

 

[UCLAMAN]

Originally posted by the Undergrad
Thanks Sophie...Dont worry abt it, I didnt take anything youve said in a wrong way...🙂

However I just wanna ask you one question....

Do you not believe in fate entirely?

Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice. It is not a thing to be waited for. It is a thing to be achieved.

You control your fate.

God helps those who help themselves.

 

[the Undergrad]

Originally posted by UCLAMAN
Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice. It is not a thing to be waited for. It is a thing to be achieved.

You control your fate.

God helps those who help themselves.

Hmm ok, thanks for your words🙂

 

[Sophie]

Originally posted by the Undergrad
Thanks Sophie...Dont worry abt it, I didnt take anything youve said in a wrong way...🙂

However I just wanna ask you one question....

Do you not believe in fate entirely?

It's a little hard to never think that things could have happened for a reason, but overall I don't believe in fate. It just occasionally creeps up on me when in a very extreme situation (I'm going to sound kind of pathetic for this example, but it's the only one I can think of... ), for instance when I didn't get into Harvard for undergrad, where my emotions get the better of me. Once I actually think about things rationally again, I am certain that whatever happened was not due to "fate".

And about the MCAT, you are free to take it whenever you want. Well, obviously it'd have to be in April or August, but there are no constraints besides that. I graduated last year and am not planning on taking the MCAT until next August. You could even take the MCAT this August if for some reason you felt you were already prepared and needed to. So taking it after you graduate will work fine.

 

[UCLAMAN]

Originally posted by relatively prime
The undergrad... do you know what the average gpa of the UCI entering class is? It's a 3.7. Do you know what the average MCAT score is? It's a 32.

Like I said before... I'm sorry to burst your bubble... but your chances at UCI aren't looking good either.

Check it out: http://www.ucihs.uci.edu/admissions/index.html?top.html&menu.html&home.html Click on "Admissions information" and then on "Profile of First Year Class"

So why is it that you are SO SURE you can get into UCI? Is your mom or dad a prof there or something? Did your grandfather donate a billion dollars? Have you won a noble prize? seriously... why are you so sure you'll get in with a 3.1?

I thought the Undergrad is referring to undergrad transfer? How did medical school get into this?

 

[relatively prime]

Originally posted by UCLAMAN
I thought the Undergrad is referring to undergrad transfer? How did medical school get into this?

OH! That makes more sense. In his original post it seemed like he's talking about applying to med school.

 

[samenewme]

Undergrad,

You can take the MCAT whenever you want, as long as it's no later than the year you file your application for med school, and no earlier than three (I think) years before the application. In other words, the only absolute rule I know of about MCATs is you have to take it for your med school application to be complete, and the score can't be really old.

One thing I would caution you about (doing my best to leave issues of faith aside) is assuming you're sure what message you're being sent. Is it what school you're meant to go to, or is there also a message about your study skills and habits, and some changes you need to make to be successful? Maybe this is your chance to learn to plan your time, figure out how to get help when you need it, know when to see the professor, be aware of when you've studied enough, and generally pick up all those little skills that will help you to be successful through the rest of school.

Any day now, I'll get the score for my Chem I exam and find out if I studied just a couple of hours shy of enough, or if I hit it just right. For some of my exams I think I studied TOO much (though I was quite happy with the scores that got me), and I'm trying to find the optimum. In med school I know I won't have time to learn EVERYTHING that's presented to me, so I'm trying to learn how to prioritize.

What do you think YOU need to learn?

Oh, and I'd vote for option #2. If your grades weren't what you hoped for so far, a summer of super-overload is probably not in your best interests.

 

[UCLAMAN]

Originally posted by relatively prime
OH! That makes more sense. In his original post it seemed like he's talking about applying to med school.

I was wondering why you kept "bursting his bubble." 🙂

 

[the Undergrad]

Yeah I'm only a sophmore... (eventho its quite evident from my user id that im a undergrad)

Any other input?

 

[phar]

Originally posted by the Undergrad
"When things dont seem to be going your way, always know that god has a plan. If you place your trust in Him, he will give you great gifts. People get what they want, just not the way they had imagined. We dont always know what God's plans are for us. We just know His ways are not our way, but His ways are best"
-Anonymous

I totally agree.

Other Important factors.
-Luck.
-Determination.
-Hardwork.

 

[the Undergrad]

Originally posted by phar
I totally agree.

Other Important factors.
-Luck.
-Determination.
-Hardwork.

Glad Im not the only one🙂