StardeWW 2: Ginger Island - GAME THREAD

[SARdoghandler]

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I'm gonna have to go back and evaluate for Santy vs PSV because I have some village points for Santy but I think I just haven't evaluated PSV enough yet

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Trying to decide if I think bodyguard is enough to clear for. Hmm. Probably yes based on context.

Probably no because mechanics are villains but I'm willing to trust mamá on this

 

[WildZoo]

Let us not forget Nate. He is still an option.

 

[alleycat03]

potentialsheltervet- probably village but there’s still a tickling feeling that she’s wolfing.

Clem J- lean village

Zenge142- village

WildZoo- village

Stagg737- lean wolf

SARdoghandler- lean village

lucy.- ???

JaggedJimmyJay- village

Barkley13- village (mostly trusting AM on this)

miranda920- lean wolf

samac- village

Lawpy- village

genny- idk, probably not a wolf??

NateTheLesser- lean wolf

Santygrass- wolf

 

[Lawpy]

I’m concerned if barky is incorrectly being village read

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Let us not forget Nate. He is still an option.

Oh yes

 

[WildZoo]

Probably no because mechanics are villains but I'm willing to trust mamá on this

I could see a scenario where wolves would bodyguard samac, but I'm not sure it fits with last night's probable events

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

mechanics are villains

PSV bears the wisdom of the Old Ones, the One Truth

(no offense to our great hosts, game fun, weeee)

 

[supershorty]

PSV bears the wisdom of the Old Ones, the One Truth

(no offense to our great hosts, game fun, weeee)

It's ok I hate mechanics too

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m concerned if barky is incorrectly being village read

Is there something in particular that spooks you?

 

[WildZoo]

I suppose technically Clem is still an option too

 

[samac]

I suppose technically Clem is still an option too

Me too!

 

[alleycat03]

I’m concerned if barky is incorrectly being village read

I know AM is a lot better at reading her than I am. I think we should look at stranger things 2 and see if AM was suspecting wolf!barks there because I don’t really remember.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I suppose technically Clem is still an option too

I tend to scum read Clem because I think lack of effort is anti village but that hasn't proved a reliable measure for him in the past.

 

[Lawpy]

Is there something in particular that spooks you?

I don’t have much to village read her other than the tonal feels others talked about.

 

[WildZoo]

But Clem and lucy both feel like absentee villagers to me lol

Nate starting that Stagg wagon when he did looks unbecoming

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Me too!

Samac hella wolfy

 

[samac]

But Clem and lucy both feel like absentee villagers to me lol

Nate starting that Stagg wagon when he did looks unbecoming

I tend to scum read Clem because I think lack of effort is anti village but that hasn't proved a reliable measure for him in the past.

*points at wolf Clem from last game*

 

[potentialsheltervet]

miranda920- lean wolf

Can you elaborate on this?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

*points at wolf Clem from last game*

Yes, not a reliable indicator is what I'm saying. NAI.

 

[WildZoo]

I tend to scum read Clem because I think lack of effort is anti village but that hasn't proved a reliable measure for him in the past.

Historically I just shrug and leave him alone and it has worked out the one time he was scum here I was modding so I don't really have insight into any play differences. And the time I misyeeted him I wasn't really wolfhunting that day.

 

[WildZoo]

*points at wolf Clem from last game*

The way he has behaved towards you this game feels a lot like how he behaved towards me during FE, for what it's worth. Idk of it would make sense for him to just sheep you if he were wolfing.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I know AM is a lot better at reading her than I am. I think we should look at stranger things 2 and see if AM was suspecting wolf!barks there because I don’t really remember.

She was. She voted Barks for a while. However she ultimately yote genny. Genny was the game ending misyeet.

 

[supershorty]

Wobbles is currently lying on Zenge's lap on top of/wrapped in 3 blankets and I'm jealous tbh

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

For what it's worth, Clem picking a town read and gluing himself to them (like Mother Samac here) is well within his standard approach. I don't have any confident read on him, but he has seemed vaguely "fine". Perhaps the bar is higher than that.

 

[alleycat03]

Can you elaborate on this?

Mainly has to do with lack of village points vs nothing that screams Miranda is wolfing. I just don’t have anything that really points towards her being village

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyone have any initial impression of genny?

 

[Barkley13]

I have some hesitations? questions? about alleys reveal but I’m fine with leaving it alone for now

 

[WildZoo]

I think that leaves my priorities as Santy and Nate before I start panicking

Anyone have any initial impression of genny?

Not yet

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I know AM is a lot better at reading her than I am. I think we should look at stranger things 2 and see if AM was suspecting wolf!barks there because I don’t really remember.

She was. She voted Barks for a while. However she ultimately yote genny, which was the game ending misyeet (not that she was the only one voting genny.)

 

[Barkley13]

potentialsheltervet- probably village but there’s still a tickling feeling that she’s wolfing.

Why probably village? Because I disagree

 

[Lawpy]

I think that leaves my priorities as Santy and Nate before I start panicking


Not yet

What about staggs

 

[supershorty]

The affairs of mundane folk matter little to me... - Day 2 Tally

Santy (7) - samac, Dubz, Stagg, alley, Clem, PSV, Lawpy
PSV (2) - Barky, genny
alley (2) - miranda, lucy.
Lawpy ()

@Santygrass you are in the lead!

11/16 voting
Missing: @Zenge142, @SARdoghandler @JaggedJimmyJay, @NateTheLesser, @Santygrass

Vote closes TODAY, 3/19, at 10 PM CDT (~9.5 hours).

 

[WildZoo]

What about staggs

I think mighty got too excited about voting for him for Stagg to be a wolf.

And despite the ultrabussing history idk if I see him coming in and having his ONLY wolf reads be his partners d1. Still need to reread some of his posts in context but I don't think his interactions with Vissy felt w/w

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Why probably village? Because I disagree

I disagree with your disagreement

 

[Lawpy]

now i’m thinking whether pshelty/PSV vs barky is V/W

 

[WildZoo]

I will admit to some paranoia about AM dying soon after restating her village!Barks read, it would be a perfect time for her to die if she was wrong.

On the other hand I just don't know if sitting on solo votes is really in Barks's wolf range?

 

[samac]

I will admit to some paranoia about AM dying soon after restating her village!Barks read, it would be a perfect time for her to die if she was wrong.

On the other hand I just don't know if sitting on solo votes is really in Barks's wolf range?

Ya know when else is a good time to kill am? Before she turns on Santy.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions of Viscernable and Santygrass

From Vis about Santy

Spoiler

Maybe light shade on Santy but could mean nothing by this joke. Could easily see this with any combo of affiliations between them.

I felt like this was a good question as Santy’s original post didn’t explicitly say “both easy to read and no bussing meta would be ideal”. The followup argument once that was clear seem like NAI general WW philosophy and I don’t see the relevance to the current game, plus bordered on rude about other players’ skill at times, so I’m not interested in it.

That’s not the part that reads wolfy to me. You don’t find anything wolfy about “for reasons I won’t disclose”? It feels weird to me for a village Santy to unnecessarily hint about vague mechanics there. Reads more like wolf trying to position themself as someone with an important role

But also I think you’re misunderstanding a Santy post, it sounds like you read “full issue zero skill” as referring to you. I’m 99% sure he was referring to himself there

Gksjwujwh I need. To vote.

Vote Santy

???

I don’t feel good enough about Santy to be comfortable voting with him, don’t want to end on a 3-way tie, and don’t like that vote movement timing by mighty.

Unvote Santy
Vote mighty

Looking just at wagons, Stagg, stoat, and Dubz I think were in positions that could counter mighty’s wagon. Not saying they’re all in the pack together. PSV’s timing of moving to my wagon when mighty was going down, not when we were tied, seems less likely as a wolf strategy, though I suppose a WIFOM move is possible. Of them, Stagg’s vote movement right when mighty couldn’t be saved is spooky. Santy is another possible bus. Nate being frozen until right at the end getting on mighty’s wagon also feels off.

I've trimmed some of these posts so they'd fit properly in the spoiler. Vis was somewhat antagonistic with Santy up through Day 1. The green thing is a response to me expressing disinterest in one of the gripes leveled against Santy (for his initial mayor-mechanics post), and Vis made their disagreement with me explicit. Eventually Vis dropped a vote on Santy, about two hours prior to the deadline. Both Vis and mighty were leading the poll at this stage, alongside lucy, and this was the only vote on Santy at the time. In that sense there wasn't much likelihood of that vote promoting an elimination, and that means its true impact was minimal. Vis stayed on that vanity wagon until four minutes from the deadline when they swapped to mighty. I suspect any mafia member that is about to lose a teammate (or perhaps die themselves) will feel some pressure to be aboard that elimination, to mitigate the loss by the credit [perceived to be] available. I don't think that says much about Santy either way.

From Santy about Vis

Spoiler

That means that Vis is village

Also @Stagg737 asked why I said that meant Vis was village. I said it as a joke ... BUT

I kinda believe it is true. Usually if there is easy consensus on someone being scum while there isnt much arguments for doing that (Which I believe is the case with Vis here, pretty much vibe with the take of finding Vis agreeable even tho it has some huh post like Dubz said) , its like a pretty enough threadstate read of that slot just being used as a push over while being Villa.

I think that could be called the logic behind stating someone as villa after seeing many people calling them just sketchy

Vis and Lawpy arent w/w , your welcome for the easy read

Viscernable > Lean Village. Altho the miranda read is weird , I think the rest of their post outweighs the irky feeling I have there

Village
Santygrass
WildZoo

Lean Villas

Samac
Mighty
Lawpy
Nate
Vis
Psv
JJJ

And my read on Dubz is a different point than that. But its not a tone read for me.
Its an argument driven point in where I do think their content is from a village mindset. I have a similar read with Vis and Lawpy to a lesser extent, but Dubz just shone more than the others

Icky. Still having mixed feeling of having villa leans on both mighty and vis but that not being shared with consensus.

That means that either : I'm likely wrong on one there. Or that we have some loud woofers contributing to a bad gamestate for villa rn

Didnt you like my Vis/Lawpy unpairing read? Why it isnt there?

Now I feel betrayed

Tell me about theory .

Like, I seriously dont know what relevant info can you get from a villager being misyeeted.

You think wolves are pushing Vis or what?

If it came to Mighty vs Vis , Idk who would I choose tho. Maybe Mighty to yeet. But undecided

There I am talking about arguments about the three contenders not playing much on SDN and 'letting them play to D2 at least'.

But I agreed with the SAR post you quoted because you seem to push Vis for a disgreement in a perspective? In which I vibed more with Vis view and didnt fully get why you kinda painted it as a wolfy view from Vis from what it felt like to me tbh

I think you are exxaggerating vis actions here. This is why I wolf read you.

It doesnt seem like you are trying to 'solve' Vis. You are trying to put blame into her.

Being incorrect doesnt mean that it couldnt be a view crafted from a Villager , dont you think? And I could see the points Vis connected and vibed to the proccess because on skim, I felt we were on similar points on some stuff. So yeh

TBH.
I don't know. I just feel weird becausemy last two wolf games I felt like Mighty playstyle had so many logic jumps that I just could easily take advantage off. So maybe I am giving them more special treatment, just because my vibe is that Mighty kinda 'calculates' and its 'reserved' with what they do.
Like, they try to be overly tactical with how they play, if that makes sense. See the Watcher action on Hannibal, or now the posts about farming and wolfhunting.
In that sense, I think maybe is that mighty has an 'agenda' when posting and making pushes, even if village. That is how I feel.

As a fact, I'm mulling over the 'my team' thing you highlited in one of mighty's post and debating between semantics and a slip.


If I had to vote between Mighty and Vis, I'd vote Mighty I guess, but I think I have people which I feel less... Undecided while yeeting. But its okay

Then I have Mighty/Vis/Zenge in Hmmm and mulling tier

And don't you see now that I bringed up that aswell before?

Or do you think that both Vis and me are wolfing and making it up how we interpreted your posts there?

Why we couldn't had misinterpreted your intention there and its sketch? You saw 2 players do it, and I was the one interacting with you there woweee

When talking about Vis and Mighty, you said Vis flip would give more info. I dont think thats a claim that holds in any way from what you are saying .

If you think Vis is more likely to be wolf, say that, not the 'info' part. Seems fake propaganda and I dont vibe with it at all

I sacrifice myself and Invoke triple Death upon Stagg, Vis and Mighty

Counterpoint for the Mighty/Vis W/W .

Apart for being countereagon and all that stuff, why would Vis have their vote on me all the time if Stagg was a viable counterwagon at the time? What would be Vis doing? Waiting on a miracle?

Vis - Lean Villa

I know that. I am not advocating against the vis yeet, I reacted in a negative way to the argument you brought there

Any PoE yeet almost is good for 'info' and interpreting stuff I'd say, so I prefer the discussion to be focused on who we think is more likely a hit . .

And now Im more clammed down. Working as a hoe is hard pls have patience

Some of this came up already when I reviewed mighty/Santy, because Santy discussed both dead mafia on a number of occasions as their wagons swelled. His defenses of Vis must again be taken or left. Much like before, being wrong is part of the game and isn't on its own power reason to roast someone on a stick. Still, the rationale has to make some kind of sense, or be understandable in the context of the game events. I don't really understand Santy's perspectives here. The green stuff in particular strikes me as effortful mental gymnastics more than authentic explanation. Then I note the red material. In this case Santy is responding to Stagg, and I recall similar material in Santy's dialogues with Zenge. This looks like a pretty classic chainsaw defense; that is, hard defending one player (implictly or explicitly) by attacking another (who is suspecting that player). It's not great.

Conclusion

My concerns with Santygrass increase.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

vote Santygrass

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Given that we have a landslide tally here, if there is anyone opposed to Santy being eliminated they should speak soon. I will listen.

 

[Barkley13]

I kinda believe it is true. Usually if there is easy consensus on someone being scum while there isnt much arguments for doing that (Which I believe is the case with Vis here, pretty much vibe with the take of finding Vis agreeable even tho it has some huh post like Dubz said) , its like a pretty enough threadstate read of that slot just being used as a push over while being Villa.

Woah rereading this gave me emojis flashbacks

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My usual spreadsheet bizniss. Bookmark this post, I'll update it as long as I'm alive.

Day 1 Votes​

Waterfall​

EOD Wagons​

replying to Nate's beautiful data so I can find it in my own posts

 

[Barkley13]

I’ve been good with a santy vote but there’s probably more than one wolf left

 

[miranda920]

Given that we have a landslide tally here, if there is anyone opposed to Santy being eliminated they should speak soon. I will listen.

Nope, I’m good with it
I still want to flip alley at some point

Unyeet alley, Yeet santy

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I need to know. This is very important for my mind's ear. Please help me.

genny.

hard G or soft J

 

[Barkley13]

I need to know. This is very important for my mind's ear. Please help me.

genny.

hard G or soft J

If it’s not pronounced like Jenny I quit

 

[supershorty]

I need to know. This is very important for my mind's ear. Please help me.

genny.

hard G or soft J

It's pronounced Ala-BAMA.

 

[WildZoo]

I need to know. This is very important for my mind's ear. Please help me.

genny.

hard G or soft J

It's pronounced ...

It's pronounced Ala-BAMA.

Dammit

 

[supershorty]

inb4 Jay