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Those would be nice scenario to have. Most likely thing to happen with your failed cs 3x, poor step scores, one year out of match, is that you might settle in ny area without a residency. With your stats, you will get bounced around to become a md. Widen your geographic preferencesI was away from home for 4 years and prefer to stay in New York b/c I'd like to marry and settle down here rather than just get bounced around here and there for the next 4 years.
I was away from home for 4 years and prefer to stay in New York b/c I'd like to marry and settle down here rather than just get bounced around here and there for the next 4 years.
You don't have the luxury of being choosy.
And a dead-end prelim position at a crappy NY surgery program is almost a worse fate than not matching.
perhaps there are other options. BTW i failed cs twice not three times. how about observer ships or applying into broader medical fields rather then geographical
You need to be applying to >100 programs in a variety of fields in a variety of areas. I understand wanting to settle down, I do, but do you want to settle down as a physician, or a guy slinging slices in NYC?perhaps there are other options. BTW i failed cs twice not three times. how about observer ships or applying into broader medical fields rather then geographical
more than getting a residency spot?I was away from home for 4 years and prefer to stay in New York b/c I'd like to marry and settle down here rather than just get bounced around here and there for the next 4 years.
once is enough to raise a red flag….twice is a nail in the coffin….widen your search if you really want a chance to get a residency spot (and even then your crappy step scores could hold you back, passed on the 1st try or not).perhaps there are other options. BTW i failed cs twice not three times. how about observer ships or applying into broader medical fields rather then geographical
how can i apply into FM psch or any other program without having lor ..i need observerships to get lor to have a complete appYou need to be applying to >100 programs in a variety of fields in a variety of areas. I understand wanting to settle down, I do, but do you want to settle down as a physician, or a guy slinging slices in NYC?
Anesthesia is low likelihood for you, not no, but low. If you want to match Gas, you need to apply to all the programs...yes, all of them. If you absolutely want to stay in NYC, you need to apply to every residency program in IM, FM, Psych and Gas in the metro area (besides the top ones unless you like throwing money away).
I assume you're familiar with the saying that beggars can't be choosers. But you actually can be a chooser here. You can choose an irrational path (your current one) or a rational one (like the one everybody else in this thread has pointed out).
ERAS just opened up so i think its still relatively early to make some moves. What do you think?
There where alot of unfilled spots in FM even after the soap in new york.
From the NRMP match 2014 match results it seems like prelim surgery is my best bet, but is it really a dead end spot? perhaps my chances of getting a residency is much better if i enter from that direction.?
I was away from home for 4 years and prefer to stay in New York b/c I'd like to marry and settle down here rather than just get bounced around here and there for the next 4 years.
You don't really have many options here. I don't think you really understand that.Thank you so much for such comprehensive/expert advice this was exactly what i needed, you put things in perspective, with that said is it possible to do observer ships in FM and still have time to apply into NY programs in a month. I was looking at the match stats on the 2014 match list. There where alot of unfilled spots in FM even after the soap in new york. This was the same for IM and surgery prelim. from all the options I have doing residency in another state or looking for another career is not something that i want to consider.
It is a completely dead end spot. Your chances of having a 1 year spot increase, sure, but your chances of getting a full residency, Anesthesia, GS or otherwise, do not appreciably change.From the NRMP match 2014 match results it seems like prelim surgery is my best bet, but is it really a dead end spot? perhaps my chances of getting a residency is much better if i enter from that direction.
I think you're being pathologically naive. But whatever.I thought maybe I'll go to internal med programs personally and ask for some advice or observer ships. ERAS just opened up so i think its still relatively early to make some moves. What do you think?
You don't really have many options here. I don't think you really understand that.
It is a completely dead end spot. Your chances of having a 1 year spot increase, sure, but your chances of getting a full residency, Anesthesia, GS or otherwise, do not appreciably change.
I think you're being pathologically naive. But whatever.
Ok lets say hypothetically speaking I do apply broadly, I am still limited into anesthesia and prelim spots because of my LORs.
I'm well aware of my status now but i would like to see what i can do now. If i apply into FM and IM cat now without LORs and look for a research or observer ship position, ill be able to complete my application for FM IM cat by mid November, Is this an option that is even remotely possible.
Ok lets say hypothetically speaking I do apply broadly, I am still limited into anesthesia and prelim spots because of my LORs. What do I do now from October until the end of interview season to somehow increase my chances in solidifying a position in New York.. There must be something
As others have said, you're assuming your application is limited because of your LORs.Ok lets say hypothetically speaking I do apply broadly, I am still limited into anesthesia and prelim spots because of my LORs. What do I do now from October until the end of interview season to somehow increase my chances in solidifying a position in New York.. There must be something
i don't think you are getting it….doing anything now is TOO LATE…Ok lets say hypothetically speaking I do apply broadly, I am still limited into anesthesia and prelim spots because of my LORs. What do I do now from October until the end of interview season to somehow increase my chances in solidifying a position in New York.. There must be something
I'm well aware of my status now but i would like to see what i can do now. If i apply into FM and IM cat now without LORs and look for a research or observer ship position, ill be able to complete my application for FM IM cat by mid November, Is this an option that is even remotely possible. There must be something that can be done from now to mid January. Many non competitive programs interview applicants until the very end.
they EXTEND those invites now…if you are going to submit in nov don't bother…that will be just a big waste of your money.I'm well aware of my status now but i would like to see what i can do now. If i apply into FM and IM cat now without LORs and look for a research or observer ship position, ill be able to complete my application for FM IM cat by mid November, Is this an option that is even remotely possible. There must be something that can be done from now to mid January. Many non competitive programs interview applicants until the very end.
So it seems you are saying that i should apply to any program that is remotely willing to entertain the idea of a applicant of my stats without letters of rec.
I actual have a very good personal statement prepared for PM&R and did a rotation in Einstien as well as all my other anesthesia rotations. With that said I am sure I will be able to get some good LOR in 1.5 months, i know they wont be much use but they will be there and perhaps if a program does end up seeing my app and does grant me an interview they will have some confirmation and dedication to the particular field i applied to as well as the SOAP. I refuse to give up and sit back and let all the stats take its coarse
We don't want "fully certified physicians" (which you would not be anyway; Step 3 only allows you to apply for a license. Being "certified" requires completion of a residency and specialty specific board exams), we want good residents.yes my study prep for step 3 was a bad move. I thought that if i attain a high enough score programs would consider me above the rest and see me as a fully certified physician, and yes this was a major mistake, I had no guidance.
With that said there must be a way for me this year to solidify a position. I refuse to sit back.
I don't see myself as a bad applicant passed both step 1 and 2 ok i failed cs but most programs see cs as a useless exam.. and im sure ill get ppl arguing this statement and your free to do so.
I cannot speak specifically for certain programs but in general LORs from non-US physicians are not very valuable. I would assume that some of your medical school faculty and classmates have trained or are currently training in the US. You need to call in all your favors and ask them for help as well; they may have a colleague here in the US who would be willing to take you on. Otherwise you can start checking the websites of all programs in your area and contacting them.I didn't mention I have LOR from surgery and internal med from israel so perhaps this will be of use. My question is which departments can i go to and seek perhaps research or observer ship in the mean time. PM&R IM genS FM?
So it seems you are saying that i should apply to any program that is remotely willing to entertain the idea of a applicant of my stats without letters of rec.
No, multiple people have recommended that you apply anywhere and everywhere with the letters you have now. As in you should've had your application in last week. At least apply with the 3 letters you have so your file is complete since most programs require 3 letters, then you can add an additional one later if you get another one. But for now, apply with what you have because waiting to apply is going to do you no favors.
I don't see myself as a bad applicant
How many programs total?Thank you all.. I actually applied into anesthesia prelim Surg prelim IM last week, and applied into IM, FM PM&R Gen S just now. You are right I might end up attaining a dead end job in prelim surgery or hopefully matching in a cat in the SOAP.
NY has the highest Jewish population second to Israel. So, I'm assuming that plays a huge factor in applying ONLY there... That has to help somewhere...am I right OP?
what? as in NY programs are more apt to to look at a Jewish applicant? Maybe…but there are plenty of Jewish applicants with good (actually great) step scores to pick from.
The NY schools are by far the most comfortable with the reputation of Technion. That's not directly because they are jewish...it's just a correlative thing. (NYers more likely to go to Technion, Technion students more likely to rotate in NY and apply to NY programs)
and that is probably true…a graduate from an Israeli school m/l has a better chance at a program in NYS because of the close connections the state has…but they are still going towant the best and the brightest…a Technion grad that has an applicant comparable to a US grad may get a shot moreso because of the school…but a crappy student isn't going to get a chance just because they went to an Israeli school...The NY schools are by far the most comfortable with the reputation of Technion. That's not directly because they are jewish...it's just a correlative thing. (NYers more likely to go to Technion, Technion students more likely to rotate in NY and apply to NY programs)
That's fabulous - I'm pleased for you.I applied to 150 programs so far, have 3 more letters . total 4 anesthesia in the us.. and 2 from Israel ( surgery and IM) went to three programs today and received a interview just for speaking to a program director and presenting my story, in addition scheduled a research position and an appointment with another program director.. Nothing is set in stone and yes statistics do play a huge role but perseverance and proper decision making is crucial, unfortunately in may I had no guidance but better late then never. The three programs I went to didn't even touch ERAS apps yet and didn't have a formal deadline, this doe not mean I'm generalizing just my observation.
I have kept the 2014 Charting Outcomes file open on my computer for just this sort of question (since it comes up pretty much hourly between 9/1 and ROL deadline day).What an interesting thread. Got to hand it to the OP for being gutsy.
An observation though: If I was an Anesthesia attending/PD I would care more about Step 1 than 2 because mastery of physiology and pharmacology basic science is really important to general anesesthesia. Just my 2 cents. Curious what the NRMP/ERAS historical data shows, too lazy right now to look it up.
I applied to 150 programs so far, have 3 more letters . total 4 anesthesia in the us.. and 2 from Israel ( surgery and IM) went to three programs today and received a interview just for speaking to a program director and presenting my story, in addition scheduled a research position and an appointment with another program director.. Nothing is set in stone and yes statistics do play a huge role but perseverance and proper decision making is crucial, unfortunately in may I had no guidance but better late then never. The three programs I went to didn't even touch ERAS apps yet and didn't have a formal deadline, this doe not mean I'm generalizing just my observation.