stripper getting into med school? serious question!

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when you are accepted, many schools will conduct a background check. on your amcas application you'll see that there is a section where you are made aware of the particular schools you are applying to that require a CBC prior to matriculation. things generally checked into during a CBC are employment verification, criminal record, background information pertaining to where you last lived, etc. your schools will definitely find out that you lied and may choose to rescind that acceptance.

Where on earth did you get that information. I'm in the process of getting an FBI criminal background check. The only items they want from you is a cover letter, which they provide and you fill in, a fingerprint card and $18.
 
Adult entertainment places have cocktail waitresses and bar tenders. Put down that you worked as one of those. What is the name of the establishment where you worked? It's on your W2s and it will show up in your background check. So don't say you were a waitress at Dennys.
 
Okay, so I am applying to med schools for fall of 2011 after taking a year off from college. I have a 32 mcat and a 3.7 undergrad GPA. I have a lot of volunteer experience both clinical and non-clinical as well as research experience. However, my job "for money" during a good part of college and after was working as a stripper. Because I worked in a good-paying job like that I was able to work less hours and fit in volunteer time and school, otherwise I would be working 40 hrs a week or more in a retail job and little time for volunteering or school work. I have serious reservations about putting this job on a med school application, but how can I explain being from an incredibly disadvantaged background (my parents were poor and I was on scholarship) but not working a real (paid) job all through college? Should I lie and say I was a waitress there instead? Will they consider any kind of work at a strip club a moral transgression and bar me from even interviewing? Please help!
Lie. Yes. There's so many jokes that can be made here. Power to you for being so awesome. btw: I'm pretty sure that I've seen two familiar faces in porn. Not sure if they're premed or not.
 
Okay, so I am applying to med schools for fall of 2011 after taking a year off from college. I have a 32 mcat and a 3.7 undergrad GPA. I have a lot of volunteer experience both clinical and non-clinical as well as research experience. However, my job "for money" during a good part of college and after was working as a stripper. Because I worked in a good-paying job like that I was able to work less hours and fit in volunteer time and school, otherwise I would be working 40 hrs a week or more in a retail job and little time for volunteering or school work. I have serious reservations about putting this job on a med school application, but how can I explain being from an incredibly disadvantaged background (my parents were poor and I was on scholarship) but not working a real (paid) job all through college? Should I lie and say I was a waitress there instead? Will they consider any kind of work at a strip club a moral transgression and bar me from even interviewing? Please help!

Never underestimate the importance of the "fit in" factor. Med schools always have that question on their minds..."Does she/he fit in?" Once you throw that stripper thing at them it is going to kill your chances...I would put good money on that.

I found it a little bit strange that I had put my job of three years on the amcas but there was no place for any contact information so that they could verify anything...and no one ever asked in my interviews. I appreciate their trust and I was completely honest, but I feel like I could've said that I ran the whole place and worked 80 hours a week and they wouldn't have known the difference.

Find a way to spin it....say that you were a motivational dancer or dance instructor...you could even say that you were self-employed.
 
I know the aamc uses Certiphi to run their background check and this does not show employment/employers. You could call a specific med school and ask who they run their checks through so that you can buy your own and see exactly what it is that they will see. This is a fairly routine occurrence from what I've read.
 
Agreed, but for every conservative there is just as likely as a liberal floating about. Though I would not take my chances with Loma Linda or Tulane or any other religous based schools.

Tulane is religious? I didn't think so. Creighton, SLU, Georgetown and Loyola are Jesuit but even so they aren't THAT religous.

IMO: Leave it off completely. You avoid mentioning it and you avoid lying about it.

yeah . . . i've had like 20 jobs. Of course I didn't list them all. this might be more difficult for you if it was the only job you had. but if you had a few other jobs . . . just list all those until you run out of room? 🙂
 
It would be nice if your interviewer was a customer who tipped extra 😉 to get extra...
 
OP, are you still working at this establishment? If so, why not have a meeting with the manager, explain your situation and try to pick up one shift a week as a cocktail waitress or hostess. That way you can "cocktail waitress" or "hostess" on your AMCAS without lying and without sacrificing too much of your income.

Misrepresenting yourself on your application is a bad plan. Phrase whatever you write in the most positive light possible, but try to be honest. It might also be worthwhile to apply to less conservative schools who are less likely to have a knee-jerk negative reaction.
 
Another vote for leaving it off - if they ask you about it, you can lie in the interview (off the written record) and say you worked as a waitress.
 
Working gets factored in when one looks at how many hours per week the student have been engaged in classes, volunteerism, athletics, and other activities.

A stripper is a dancer. So list it on the experience section as "employment, non-military". No one would blink at someone who listed employment as a dancer. Does it matter if the dance company is the American Ballet Theatre or something else?? Leave out the word "stripper" and no one will really care. It takes considerable number of hours per week and it pays the bills. End of story.
 
This got me thinking. What if you worked as a porn star? How would you describe your job? "Movie Industry?" What if your interviewer asks you what movies you made?

Interviewer: So what movie were you in?
You: Uh...like Saving Ryan's Privates
Interviewer: You mean Saving Private Ryan?
You: Yea, something like that.

Worse yet, what if your interviewer recognizes you? "Wait, aren't you Dirk Diggler?" Would that hurt someone's admissions chances?
 
I've had a few applicants who have worked in TV & film. I really didn't care what pictures they've been in. I was more interested in their stats, motivation for medicine, clinical experience,and research experience.

We've interviewed at least 2 beauty queens over the years, too.
 
I've had a few applicants who have worked in TV & film. I really didn't care what pictures they've been in. I was more interested in their stats, motivation for medicine, clinical experience,and research experience.

We've interviewed at least 2 beauty queens over the years, too.

Cool, I was wondering how risque behavior as a premed would be viewed by adcoms. We have a beauty queen on this board too!
 
Cool, I was wondering how risque behavior as a premed would be viewed by adcoms. We have a beauty queen on this board too!

I am a male; I am a beauty king, sir.

In other news, congratulations on being an immensely successful re-applicant!
 
i don't see beauty in males, except in myself, the beauty god, of course.

Your vision is clouded. With no formal medical training, I will clear your vision using my laser pointer, and subsequently add that to the clinical experience portion of my resume.
 
A stripper is a dancer. So list it on the experience section as "employment, non-military". No one would blink at someone who listed employment as a dancer. Does it matter if the dance company is the American Ballet Theatre or something else?? Leave out the word "stripper" and no one will really care. It takes considerable number of hours per week and it pays the bills. End of story.
Haha! Perhaps your life has been purer than most, LizzyM. I was a professional chef before I changed careers and went to med school, and whenever we saw "Dancer" on a resume, we assumed that the applicant had been a stripper. I hired them sometimes (and shredded their resume after checking references), but there are plenty of places that won't. I'm sure that's true of medical schools as well...
 
there is nothing wrong with hostess or dancer. put it on your application.
 
Okay, so I am applying to med schools for fall of 2011 after taking a year off from college. I have a 32 mcat and a 3.7 undergrad GPA. I have a lot of volunteer experience both clinical and non-clinical as well as research experience. However, my job "for money" during a good part of college and after was working as a stripper. Because I worked in a good-paying job like that I was able to work less hours and fit in volunteer time and school, otherwise I would be working 40 hrs a week or more in a retail job and little time for volunteering or school work. I have serious reservations about putting this job on a med school application, but how can I explain being from an incredibly disadvantaged background (my parents were poor and I was on scholarship) but not working a real (paid) job all through college? Should I lie and say I was a waitress there instead? Will they consider any kind of work at a strip club a moral transgression and bar me from even interviewing? Please help!

DO NOT tell them you were a stripper, or a dancer. Tell them you were on scholarship and lived with your parents. Simple as that. They're not investigating your finances. If asked what you did for extra money, you tutored high school and college kids in chemistry or something. That's what I actually did...$50/hr under the table adds up quickly!!
 
DO NOT tell them you were a stripper, or a dancer. Tell them you were on scholarship and lived with your parents. Simple as that. They're not investigating your finances. If asked what you did for extra money, you tutored high school and college kids in chemistry or something. That's what I actually did...$50/hr under the table adds up quickly!!

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I dunno, sometimes people who say they play an instrument end up having to perform at their interviews... I'd be a little worried about telling them I was a stripper

Damn, that's a good one.

OP, I am in a similar situation. One of my extracurriculars is making low-budget adult films (I also volunteer for this. Not sure if this counts as volunteering or extracurricular). Anyway, I decided NOT to include this in my application, not only because it could be controversial but also because it was irrelevant. I only put activities that were relevant to me being a physician.

PM me if you want a role in one of my movies.
 
Where on earth did you get that information. I'm in the process of getting an FBI criminal background check. The only items they want from you is a cover letter, which they provide and you fill in, a fingerprint card and $18.

i got it here: http://www.naahp.org/2006meeting/Meeting_PDFs/Mon730pm_CriminalCks.pdf

slides 30-31 detail what information nova southeastern checks for (it is a DO school...but i assumed that at least some other schools might do the same. maybe not)
 
Nonsense. They will not find out about anything other than a criminal record.

it looks like some schools (like where LizzyM works) only check for criminal records, but it seems like there are others who will go farther than that (check out the link above). so perhaps i should change my original statement to say that only schools who run a full level 1 background check will look into employment verification on top of criminal records, and that there is at least one school to my knowledge that does this. the OP could check the websites of all the schools they plan on applying to in order to find out with what level of detail their background will be probed.
 
I think some people are getting confused between background checks and security clearance investigations. I've lived in the D.C. area my entire life, and more than once I've gotten a letter asking me to comment on someone that was up for Secret/Top Secret clearances.

Those investigations are much more in-depth than the background checks required for medical schools and most employment. In the case of those background checks, they're mainly checking if you have a criminal history (what you've been charged with, what you were convicted of, etc) and I think in some cases they have access to financial info, i.e. if you've ever declared bankruptcy.
 
There is a big difference between a criminal background check and a security clearence. When a young guy I know was being considered for a job for a Senator who served on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, agents interviewed his parents' neighbors! No med school will go to that level of detail.

No one is obligated to list all employment on the application. That said, it is wise to account for large chunks of time as it is taken into consideration how busy you were during college -- all things being equal, the person with an identical record plus x hrs/wk of employment during the academic year will be considered stronger than the one with the same record & no employment.

Is prior experience as a stripper/dancer an automatic exclusion for med school? Some of you are acting as if it is or should be. 😕 On what basis would you exclude from admission a person who worked in a legal occupation? What if an applicant had worked in a slaughterhouse? Should that be left off the application in case some of the adcom members are morally opposed to killing animals for food? What about working as an employee of an abortion clinic? Where do you stop in scrubbing your application of anything that might offend?

If you didn't want to list dancer, you could list it as "employee" and leave the description as "worked part-time during the academic year and full-time during breaks to defray the cost of my education". That's all the detail that is absolutely required. If the name of the place is "The Gentlemen's Club" or "The Sugar Shack" the adcom can draw their own conclusions.
 
There is a big difference between a criminal background check and a security clearence. When a young guy I know was being considered for a job for a Senator who served on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, agents interviewed his parents' neighbors! No med school will go to that level of detail.

No one is obligated to list all employment on the application. That said, it is wise to account for large chunks of time as it is taken into consideration how busy you were during college -- all things being equal, the person with an identical record plus x hrs/wk of employment during the academic year will be considered stronger than the one with the same record & no employment.

Is prior experience as a stripper/dancer an automatic exclusion for med school? Some of you are acting as if it is or should be. 😕 On what basis would you exclude from admission a person who worked in a legal occupation? What if an applicant had worked in a slaughterhouse? Should that be left off the application in case some of the adcom members are morally opposed to killing animals for food? What about working as an employee of an abortion clinic? Where do you stop in scrubbing your application of anything that might offend?

If you didn't want to list dancer, you could list it as "employee" and leave the description as "worked part-time during the academic year and full-time during breaks to defray the cost of my education". That's all the detail that is absolutely required. If the name of the place is "The Gentlemen's Club" or "The Sugar Shack" the adcom can draw their own conclusions.

The reason behind my vote for NOT listing stripper isn't an ethical issue. There is no fine line to what may offend others. This is medical school admission. OUR future, to which is in someone else's hand the second we press "send" on AMCAS. Also, it's not like I could just tell AMCAS to send 2 of the apps w/ dancer and 12 of them w/out and have a crap shoot. It goes to all of them. Why even take a chance? After all this is taken into consideration/all the hours spent studying for the mcat/all the nights you spent studying for that physics exam/all the times you didn't sleep in to pursue that extra curricular/50th time re-drafting that personal statement... med school apps, especially the primary app isn't the time to stand up for all the other stripper premeds out there and show them it could be done... You've played it safe for 4 years, why not now... when it really counts?

For those who said to list stripper... would you tell the other poster above to list "casted in small budget porno? It's legal. He did it on top of being in school. That's impressive right? Juggling work and school... while other applicant's didn't work in college. I don't think you would list it if you were in their shoes cause you wouldn't risk it.

p.s. I have nothing against being a stripper or in a porno. If I had half the confidence you guys have I'd do it too... of course, w/out listing it on amcas 🙂
 
also, how would you guys play off "dancer" at the interview? Dancer on the app looks ok, but applications don't keep asking questions. All I can imagine is a dead end road.

Interviewer: So I see that you worked as a dancer at X.
Me: Yes
Interviewer: What type of dancing did you do?
Me: ughh.... hip-hop?
Interviewer: ok... so you just danced for music videos, variety shows?
Me: Option A: Yes(now I'm a liar). Option B:No(now I have to go into more detail)

A lot of people dance as a hobby. More than likely they'll want to get down to what you do. Anything you say that is not stripper is plain out lying. There's no tip toeing around it at the interview unless you lie.
 
Is prior experience as a stripper/dancer an automatic exclusion for med school? Some of you are acting as if it is or should be. 😕 On what basis would you exclude from admission a person who worked in a legal occupation? What if an applicant had worked in a slaughterhouse? Should that be left off the application in case some of the adcom members are morally opposed to killing animals for food? What about working as an employee of an abortion clinic? Where do you stop in scrubbing your application of anything that might offend?

On the basis that it reveals something negative about their character.

Is your thinking "It is not illegal, therefore it is 100% OK"? The law is not an all-encompassing moral code and is not intended as such.
 
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Wow, you are hot and smart. You'll get in somewhere I promise.

Personally, I wouldn't want my interviewer to have any prejudice against me. The reasons that you stated for why you chose entertainer are legit to me. But, I have no clue what the individual interviewer would think. Play it safe and just be discrete about it.

I've actually thought about stripping as well. But, I figured it be better to wait until after I get into med school or residency (I have heard of plenty of residents doing this). The pay is amazing for those underpaid professionals.
 
But regardless, Adcoms are not suppose to judge you on your background, race, sex or religous affiliations. if he or she was put in a position where the only answer to make ends meet and do all the pre-med stuff was stripping, it certainly shouldn't be used against her. Furthermore, that Conversative fellow might just look at the application even closer as how often do they come across these kinds of things.
They can judge you based on your background. If you've got a criminal/rapist background, they'll probably toss your application before it cools off from the printer.
 
Though I'm definitely in favor of more former-stripper med students, I'd lean towards not mentioning this explicitly and going with an alternative description of your employment.

Many adcom members are of an older, more conservative generation and might find this type of background an automatic moral deal-breaker. You might also encounter people intrigued by your story, but the risk-benefit breakdown - the horrified adcoms might consider this an automatic disqualification, while the more accepting members might find it interesting but perhaps not the difference-maker that gets you in - skews negatively, in my opinion.
 
+1 to leaving it off entirely. I'd wager for every 1 adcom member who thinks it's an interesting experience, there will be at least 5 who find it morally reprehensible. Your application is decent anyway, so taking this risk just seems unnecessary.
 
I'd either leave it off completely or try to phrase it in such a way that isn't a lie. I'd probably go with dancer. If you did more than just dance you might be able to say waitress or hostess or customer relations (ha!).

Customer relations is a good one!!
 
I hope you're the 'Super-hot-girl-from-Spearmint-Rhino' kind of stripper and not the 'over-the-hill-single-mom-with-a-c-section-scar' kind. It matters a lot to the adcom
 
They can judge you based on your background. If you've got a criminal/rapist background, they'll probably toss your application before it cools off from the printer.

What I meant by that was one's upbringing - economic wise.

I think it goes without saying that if you got a heavy criminal record it might be a just a tad bit difficult for you to jump the hoops.
 
Yeah I'm wondering what the name of the place is that the OP danced at...because if it's something like "Pussycats" then I would leave it out entirely. If it were something more ambiguous like "2010" or "Galaxy" then I could see the OP stating she was a waitress or choreographer.
I don't know why I'm assuming the OP is a she....could be a he dancing at "barebacks" or something.
 
lol it seems to often that movies have a stripper and you find out she's working her way through law or medical school. the lesson of course being that you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover. strippers are the new overrepresented minority. they're the new thing after indians :laugh:.
 
Troll.

Please put this on your application. You'll be surprised how many interviews you get.

Makes me wonder, if you were willing to strip for $, what did you do for $ in the VIP room - put that on your application too.

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I vote for listing your job as a 'dancer.' 👍 It's the truth. Simple as that.
 
You don't have to lie, but I would be general. I was a bartender through most of my undergrad and just listed employment as part of the 'service industry'. Chances are it will not come up in an interview anyway (if it does you would have pretty cool story at least).
 
i would put down waitress... u are not lying u are just not telling the whole story. either way, its the experiences that matter u have to find a way to convey those experiences and how theyve shaped u to who u are now (for the better i hope). always think in the point of view of the adcom
 
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