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Hmmm, do tell. I like to learn. What sport are you doing? cycling?

Oly lifting and powerlifting both can benefit from squatting multiple times a week. Doesn't mean you will be squatting at 100% every time, but sometimes it can be useful for very advanced athletes. For example, a buddy of mine is training for the American open and 4 days a week he works up to maxes (1 rep to 5 rep max depending on the day) then does drop sets at 80% of the max for the day. It's based more on feel and is really more for advanced athletes than anything. Plenty of different ways to train, but it is probably not a good way to train for a body builder.
 

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Even for bodybuilding, just having 1 huge leg day or 1 chest day isn't the best for hypertrophy. Spreading it over 2-3 days a week will let you handle more volume and you'll have a more continuous muscle and protein synthesis.
 

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Even for bodybuilding, just having 1 huge leg day or 1 chest day isn't the best for hypertrophy. Spreading it over 2-3 days a week will let you handle more volume and you'll have a more continuous muscle and protein synthesis.

Yeah, fitness, strength, and hypertrophy all get significantly more complex the further you get away from beginner stages. More periodization, undulation, etc is required to see results. Programming can get very complex even if the movements being used aren't.
 
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Yeah, fitness, strength, and hypertrophy all get significantly more complex the further you get away from beginner stages. More periodization, undulation, etc is required to see results. Programming can get very complex even if the movements being used aren't.

Yeah I've only recently started to really dive into programming and how to make programs. It gets really complicated to say the least. But I think I'm going to start following the Texas Method for a while and see how it jives with me.
 

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Yeah I've only recently started to really dive into programming and how to make programs. It gets really complicated to say the least. But I think I'm going to start following the Texas Method for a while and see how it jives with me.

Texas method is definitely a solid program. Yeah I've had the chance to talk with a few pretty good coaches (have produced national level athletes) regarding programming and the **** they tell me tends to go way over my head. I wouldn't ever want to do it though, too much work on the prep. I enjoy that my coach does the thinking for me, I just have to focus on lifting.
 

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I tend to get generalized achy joints when working out, especially my knees when running or my wrist during yoga. My mom recommended daily glucosamine, has anyone had relief using it? How long was it before you starting feeling results?
 

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Here is a curve ball for y'all :Ramadan
What's the best way to tackle it halp it starts in one week


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the second the sun goes down star shoveling food in. count calories so you know if you need to keep eating because you may need to take in calories even if you're not hungry. Obviously it's not optimal for performance, but ya gotta work with what you got.
 

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Texas method is definitely a solid program. Yeah I've had the chance to talk with a few pretty good coaches (have produced national level athletes) regarding programming and the **** they tell me tends to go way over my head. I wouldn't ever want to do it though, too much work on the prep. I enjoy that my coach does the thinking for me, I just have to focus on lifting.

Yeah I'm only learning about programming because I have time and I want to learn a little of how to do it. But once I started med school in August I'm gonna hire a coach because I won't have time to do my own programming plus I don't have much experience with it. Do you do in person cacochimg or online programming/coaching?
 

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Yeah I'm only learning about programming because I have time and I want to learn a little of how to do it. But once I started med school in August I'm gonna hire a coach because I won't have time to do my own programming plus I don't have much experience with it. Do you do in person cacochimg or online programming/coaching?
You don't really need programming if you're a beginner. A complete newbie can do pretty much anything with weights and still progress.
 
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Yeah I'm only learning about programming because I have time and I want to learn a little of how to do it. But once I started med school in August I'm gonna hire a coach because I won't have time to do my own programming plus I don't have much experience with it. Do you do in person cacochimg or online programming/coaching?

I use an an online program but idk if cardio is good on Ramadan (working out happens after breaking fast)



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Yeah I'm only learning about programming because I have time and I want to learn a little of how to do it. But once I started med school in August I'm gonna hire a coach because I won't have time to do my own programming plus I don't have much experience with it. Do you do in person cacochimg or online programming/coaching?

I was doing in-person, but moving away from that gym so I'll be doing online for a while.
 
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Read several studies that said people tend to gain weight during Ramadan because they get so hungry and overeat once the sun goes down. Just be careful and count your calories. Maybe treat it like intermittent fasting: getting all of your calories in 4-6 hours and fasting the rest of the time (an actual weight loss/cutting strategy). It can be a bonus!
 
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Read several studies that said people tend to gain weight during Ramadan because they get so hungry and overeat once the sun goes down. Just be careful and count your calories. Maybe treat it like intermittent fasting: getting all of your calories in 4-6 hours and fasting the rest of the time (an actual weight loss/cutting strategy). It can be a bonus!
I normally lose weight during Ramadan.
But that's because I get kind of nauseous and can't really gorge myself once fasting is over.
I am not looking forward to headaches everyday....( messed up sleep schedule and dehydration)
 
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Yeah I've only recently started to really dive into programming and how to make programs. It gets really complicated to say the least. But I think I'm going to start following the Texas Method for a while and see how it jives with me.
I recently switched to TM from 5/3/1

If you are capable of running TM I would recommend it over 5/3/1.

5/3/1 is definitely meant more for advanced lifters since the weights increase in 5lb/MONTH increments

TM has you progressing 5lb/Week.

As far as overall "feeling" I really enjoy the way TM is set up. Monday's workout is a bastard but it's definitely doable. Recovery day is a godsend and then Friday is just hard enough. I really like that you only push to a single max set of 5 and then end the day with some power cleans (which are super fun). It makes Fridays more fun. Plus it gets results.
 

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I normally lose weight during Ramadan.
But that's because I get kind of nauseous and can't really gorge myself once fasting is over.
I am not looking forward to headaches everyday....( messed up sleep schedule and dehydration)
Are you allowed to drink like OJ or something to help curb the hypoglycemia?
 
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I normally lose weight during Ramadan.
But that's because I get kind of nauseous and can't really gorge myself once fasting is over.
I am not looking forward to headaches everyday....( messed up sleep schedule and dehydration)
I was just reporting what the article said was the general trend.
 

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Surely if someone gets symptomatic from low sugars they won't go to hell for taking measures to reduce their pain/not die.
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Yeah, if you're hypoglycemic the rules are totally different.
Generally, the health requirements to fast are pretty strict. Diabetics are discouraged from fasting altogether. So are pregnant/that time of the month women.
Hypoglycemics will sometimes fast to feel the thirst/physical hunger, but then take glucose shots so it's not dangerous.
There are other examples, but generally there is a lot of slack for people who have real issues.
 

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Yeah, if you're hypoglycemic the rules are totally different.
Generally, the health requirements to fast are pretty strict. Diabetics are discouraged from fasting altogether. So are pregnant/that time of the month women.
Hypoglycemics will sometimes fast to feel the thirst/physical hunger, but then take glucose shots so it's not dangerous.
There are other examples, but generally there is a lot of slack for people who have real issues.

So just make sure you're pregnant every Ramadan and you're good to go then :thumbup:
 
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What are your thoughts on dumbell pullovers on a flat bench (usually for upper chest or back depending on what you emphasize)? About 6 months ago I was doing these and really screwed up my right shoulder (looks like there is some AC joint damage) Since then I've been confined to cardio or leg workouts because of limited shoulder mobility. I only ask because it was one of my favorite workouts and have been doing it for years. Would you consider this an unsafe workout or maybe that day I had bad form? Maybe I've had bad form for years and a life time of wrestling predisposed me to shoulder injury in the weightroom.
 

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What are your thoughts on dumbell pullovers on a flat bench (usually for upper chest or back depending on what you emphasize)? About 6 months ago I was doing these and really screwed up my right shoulder (looks like there is some AC joint damage) Since then I've been confined to cardio or leg workouts because of limited shoulder mobility. I only ask because it was one of my favorite workouts and have been doing it for years. Would you consider this an unsafe workout or maybe that day I had bad form? Maybe I've had bad form for years and a life time of wrestling predisposed me to shoulder injury in the weightroom.

**** happens, but if it is likely to reinjure you then I would recommend looking for movements that work the same muscles in a plane of motion/range of motion that won't aggravate your injury. Even if it's your favorite, not worth rotator cuff injury
 

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What are your thoughts on dumbell pullovers on a flat bench (usually for upper chest or back depending on what you emphasize)? About 6 months ago I was doing these and really screwed up my right shoulder (looks like there is some AC joint damage) Since then I've been confined to cardio or leg workouts because of limited shoulder mobility. I only ask because it was one of my favorite workouts and have been doing it for years. Would you consider this an unsafe workout or maybe that day I had bad form? Maybe I've had bad form for years and a life time of wrestling predisposed me to shoulder injury in the weightroom.
Always warm up your rotator cuff before doing any kind of pressing movements or movements that require rotation at the shoulder. I saw it in a Dorian Yates video of what he wished he knew when he was a beginner and have implemented it ever since.
 
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Always warm up your rotator cuff before doing any kind of pressing movements or movements that require rotation at the shoulder. I saw it in a Dorian Yates video of what he wished he knew when he was a beginner and have implemented it ever since.

I second this. Impinged shoulder kept me from lifting heavy for a while.

Back to shoulder pressing 60s now!


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This is a great thread, a ton of excellent information presented in that first post. I agree with everything you said, especially the bit on needing to go hard at the gym to see results. As a resident Physician, I encourage my fellow co-residents to establish the habit of sticking to a routine. Any routine is way better than no routine.

As far as dieting, I also agree that making simple changes is very doable and will significantly improve your current diet. I work as an OBGYN resident and I have been able to eat cleaner now than I ever have in the past, as well as find strategies to make it to the gym consistently.

Balance is key!


Hey guys,

A lot of people are posting that they want to get healthier / lose weight / lift weights / start making good habits prior to entering or while in med school.

So, being the healthy fruit that I am (no pun intended) I decided to make a thread for it!

Anyone else that has experience or tips to share feel free to hop in!

My Experience:

- Kinesiology degree with focus on Biomechanics
- Extensive Exercise Physiology coursework
- Competitive Powerlifter
- 8 years of experience with fitness in general


This thread is gonna cover a few topics:

1- General Wellness, Myths & "Making it work"

2- Popular Routines based on your fitness goals

3- Form and Function

4- Dieting for idiots, people with no time, (Pre)Medical Students

5- Sticking with it





1- General Wellness, Myths & "Making it work":

So before we hop in to the meat of this post, I want to make a note on general wellness. Exercising regularly has been shown to improve mood, reduce depression, help anxiety and improve self confidence. It also helps keep you sane when you have a ridiculously large courseload and your brain needs a break from the impending doom that is medical school.

That being said, if you are clinically depressed, have been diagnosed with, or suspect you have an anxiety disorder, please get help. Exercise will help with your problem, but it is no replacement for real treatments. Many successful doctors are on anti-depressants, and there is no shame in seeking help for a chemical imbalance in your brain.

Now that that's out of the way, lets talk about some fitness "Myths" that you may have heard.

1- Carbs are bad :
They aren't, you need carbs as a fuel source to power your workouts.

2- You need to go hard in the gym to see results:
Nope, small efforts over time are the key to progress. Eventually you will be putting in more effort as you follow a linear progression, but you should never go from zero activity to a 5 day per week plan right out of the gates. This is a recipe for injury and failure.

3- You need to count every calorie you eat to lose weight:

This is a big one, simply replacing foods with healthier options is enough for most people. I'll get more into this when I reach the "diet" section.

4- You need to cut and bulk if you want to get big:
Unless you are a competitive athlete that needs to make weight, you don't need to do this. You are better off eating healthier foods and gaining muscle slowly over time. No need to binge on pop-tarts all winter and then starve yourself in the spring so you can get abs for summer.

5- Women shouldn't lift weights:
This is probably the biggest myth out there. Ladies please, you will not look like a 'roided out bodybuilder if you lift weights! Lifting weights will improve your physique, especially the glutes, which literally every female I have ever trained has asked me to help them grow. Anecdotal evidence I know, but I think most of us want a nice butt.

6- I got this awesome new program from XYZ pro-bodybuilder, I gotta do 20 sets of 20 reps with as heavy weight as possible to grow!:
No. He is on drugs, which is why he can do that kind of volume and grow form it. If you are drug-free, a simple strength routine with a linear progression and some good assistance work will get you where you want to be. If your weightlifting takes more than 90 minutes you are probably doing too much.

7- I need 100$/month of supplements to get fit!
Stop. Get off instagram. Get out of GNC. Do not buy that cleansing tea or muscle 5000 powder. You don't need it. You are much better off eating real, healthy foods instead of getting your nutrition through supplements. For the record, I am the strongest and leanest I have ever been right now and I use exactly 0 suppplements.

Alrighty! If you have more questions, feel free to post them and I'll do my best to debunk the Myths as they come up.


Now "Making it Work" is a highly individualized topic. My point being, if you dislike an activity, you probably will not consistently do it. If you dislike lifting, then don't lift. If you dislike running, don't run. There are plenty of alternative options to get your strength/cardio work in without hating your life. I hate running, but I love swimming, so I swim for my cardio work. I love lifting, but Yoga is also extremely effective for building strength and balance.

Once you have a routine of exercise you enjoy, you still need to "make it work". You need to get your diet in order, you need to sleep enough. You don't get stronger or fitter by exercising. You get stronger and fitter by recovering from exercise. I realize that sleep is a rare luxury in medical school, but you pre-meds have no excuse! Even the medical students can do a better job of scheduling their time to get more sleep. Unless you have rounds or clerkships, you can probably find a way to get a few more minutes in here and there. Your brain and body will thank you by not falling apart at the seams.

Finally, keep a record of your workouts and aim to beat your previous workout by a little bit.

add 2.5 pounds to your lifts, try to take 5-10 seconds off your run time. Holding yourself accountable and tracking your progress will be an invaluable resource during this process!​

2- Popular Routines based on your fitness goals:

There are a ridiculous number of routines out there and the fact of the matter is:

all of them work.

That's right, you read that correctly. If you are doing some kind of planned physical activity with a decent linear progression you will make progress, whether its Yoga or Running or Powerlifting or Olympic Lifting.

Reddit wiki of all popular exercise routines from Cardio to Powerlifting to Bodyweight training :

programs - Fitness

So, I just gave you a massive list of programs, which one do you choose?

Well that depends on you.

-Trying to build muscle, but don't care about strength?
Then follow one of the Aesthetics or Bodybuilding routines (These routines feature light-moderate weight with higher rep ranges)
The allpro beginner routine is a good mixed program, It'll get you some size and some strength to go with it. I used it to go from 150 pounds bodyweight to 220 without putting much fat on. Keep in mind this took me several years.​
- Trying to get strong without all the bodybuilding fluff?
Pick one of the powerlifting programs.
5x5 , 5/3/1, Untamed Strength's "Best Program Ever" and others like it will get you strong and "fit" looking. The focus here is low reps with heavy weights. Watch your form here and make sure you have a good spotter.​
- Trying to run better?
There's plenty of running programs on the wiki and entire communities of advice.​
If you are lifting weights, you should be doing some kind of cardio regardless of your goal (gain or lose weight)

The heart health benefits are too important to pass up for "gainz bruh". On your rest days, go for a long walk, 30-40 minutes at a comfortable pace. This will help your muscles recover from training, help keep the fat off, and improve your aerobic fitness. Just please do it for your own health.
Many of these programs have their own "Progression Scheme" where they will give you specific instructions on when/how to increase the weight or intensity over time. Follow them.​
Are you trying to lose/gain weight?
This depends almost entirely on your diet. Not your lifiting/cardio routines. Cardio will for sure help the process, as will lifting, but you need to get your diet in order to make progress in either direction.​

3- Form and Function
A routine is no good if you don't preform the exercises required. Its even worse if you do them incorrectly.

Exrx.net is a great resource for exercise form videos and descriptions. They also offer great evidence-based resources for fitness programs and philosophies. If you have a form question, wonder what works vs what doesn't and why, this is your new best friend.

Squat, Bench and Deadlift will be the crux of many good strength routines, these are highly technical lifts, so learn them well with extremely light/ no weight first.

When I began powerlifting I was not allowed to put weight on the bar by my coach until I could execute a rep perfectly. Watch youtube videos, visit exrx.com, just make sure you get the form down before you go charging head-first into a routine and hurt yourself. There are countless resources to consult for form and there's no reason for you to hurt yourself because you wanted to lift a weight too heavy for you to handle.

Runners and Swimmers, you aren't exempt from this. Both sports require technical ability and you should be constantly trying to improve your run/swim form.​

Here are some helpful form videos for those who don't want to see the orthopods any time soon:

How to Squat (Strength Athlete Style)

How to Squat for leg development (Olympic Style)
How to Bench
How to Deadlift
How to Barbell Row
How to Overhead Press
How to Warm-Up in 10 Minutes or Less

4- Dieting

Ahhh Dieting, everyone's favorite topic.

Here's my take on the issue (from the pre-med point of view)

-Your life is gonna be busy. You aren't always gonna be able to make healthy food. You aren't always gonna be able to afford to buy an organic kale salad. Not that any sane person would want to.

The key to a good diet is eating a variety of good foods and cutting down on the junk. Vegetables with every meal, lean proteins, don't neglect carbs.

If you don't have time to cook that's fine! A burger or taco once in a while isn't gonna kill you. Eating some birthday cake isn't gonna make you fat. I'd rather be present and enjoy my holidays and special occasions instead forcing myself to eat broccoli and chicken like some kind of Dietary Martyr. Enjoy your damn life. If your mom makes baller tacos or doughboys then eat them, but make good choices the rest of the day. If your mom makes you your favorite food and you tell her "I can't eat this mom" I will personally figuratively slap you.

Most overweight people can drop those 10-15 pounds by simply swapping junk for healthy food 8 times out of 10. Don't go on a super restrictive diet, don't go on a stupid juice cleanse or a water fast.

Get the chicken sandwich at BK or Wendy's, Taco Bell has a surprising amount of high-protein options that I get when i'm in a bind. (shoutout to the shredded chicken soft taco, ILY)

Stop drinking regular soda. Drink water or Diet (research shows diet soda doesn't cause cancer, I drink it 2-3 times a week)

Watch the fruit juice (they can have a lot of sugar and calories you aren't aware of!)

Cut the alcohol intake down.

Swap out fatty meats for lean ones when you cook, use ground turkey or chicken instead of beef. Eat more fish, put olive oil and balsamic vinegar on your salads, eat more veggies. Potatoes are okay! Baked White potatoes are one of the most satiating foods (srs its been published on medline) Sweet potatoes are baller when mashed with cinnamon. You can eat healthy without denying yourself good food. Most of the time, all it takes to make an unhealthy recipe healthy is swapping one or two bad ingredients out. When I'm trying to make weight for a contest, I simply add more veggies and water to my diet. I don't starve myself, and I'm never particularly hungry. I add a little more cardio and it works just fine.

You will find it is very difficult to overeat when your only food choices are healthy, real foods.
Honestly guys, there is no secret formula to this, eat healthy, do your best, and you'll be okay 90% of the time. Enjoy your life and don't go crazy. If you need to lose a few, then add more veggies and fruits and lean proteins. If you wanna gain weight add more healthy fats (walnuts/olive oil FTW). Its not rocket science.​

@partypantss's take on calories:

"As someone who lost over 80 pounds of fat and then bulked up and now looks like a jacked gym bro and also has a B.S. in Kinesiology, I sort of disagree with your de-emphasis of calorie counting. I think MANY people are overweight simply because they are eating TOO MUCH not always that they are just eating unhealthy. If you get in the habit of counting calories, after a while it becomes second nature and takes very little time/ effort to do. Yes, cutting out empty calories in drinks other strategies can help easily reduce your caloric intake, however I believe that simply monitoring your calorie intake is the single most effective thing you can do, and the year before starting medical school is a great chance to do it.

After counting calories for even just a month, you can get a very good sense of where you were going wrong, what foods just aren't worth the calories and what foods you can eat basically as much of as you want. This general sense will be very valuable to people even if they then stop tracking calories. "


*Disclaimer, if you have a dietary restriction such as diabetes, please follow your doctors advice*



5- Sticking with it:


This is the hardest part.

Your program and diet will only work for you if you stick with it. That is the truth.

You are better off starting out small (swapping junk for healthier options, working out ONE or TWO days per week) and keeping that up. Eventually those become habits, your body gets accustomed to it and you can do more.

The biggest mistake I see when I train people is they want to go from doing nothing to doing everything within a month. Your body will not take the shock well, and you will feel sore and crappy and quit.

Start slow, add work in over the course of weeks, start with super light weights and get the form and feel of it down. Start with just making healthier food choices, then add some exercise, as your body gets accustomed to it, add some more. Do activities you enjoy doing, swim, climb, run, hike, bike, lift, box, pose for yoga, do barre or pilates or spin classes. If you don't enjoy it you won't stick with it. You don't need to do a 5 day per week routine to be healthier or lose weight or get stronger. 2-3 days is plenty.

Don't be discouraged if you are bad at something you enjoy. If you enjoy it, and it gets you moving, it's a good choice for you. ( When I started lifting I couldn't even lift the bar ;) )​


If you have questions about anything feel free to ask me or any of the other experienced guys or gals who will hop in on this thread.

Oh and eat more bananas. You need the potassium.

-RogueBanana

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Diet section has been updated to include @partypantss's take on calorie counting. Check it out!

*Edit #2*
Form section has been updated to include hyperlinks to form videos.
Overall post has been re-formatted so it reads easier.
 
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I got the Beach Body on Demand app. $8 a month and plenty of workouts for weight loss and getting toned. I've got my own lifting regimen and now I've got this as well. For those that don't want a gym and a cheap option look into it.
 

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I find that eating lots of ice cream and gummy bears improves my studying. But then, well, I put on weight. Anyone have a solution for this?
 
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I find that eating lots of ice cream and gummy bears improves my studying. But then, well, I put on weight. Anyone have a solution for this?
Try the sugar-free gummy bears. I heard they're great and 0 calories, so you can eat a bunch at a time and not get fat.
 
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Don't try the sugar-free gummy bears. I heard they're great awful and 0 calories, so you can eat a bunch at a time and not get fat solid BM's for a week.

FTFY
 
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Started at 200.. weighed in at 178 today. Not quite sure what my Fitness goals are besides to look good so I can get a hot gf, but I am pretty happy with the progress since Jan 1

Update #2. 165 lbs. Have had a bunch of dates lately after barely having any the last ~2 years. Summer heater is in full effect. Thanks for starting this thread awhile back, served as the last piece of motivation I needed to get my a$$ back the gym and eat right after a couple years of being a bum. Ready to meet my future dermatologist wife in the next month
 
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^ Does losing a few pounds really make that much of a difference? That many more dates? That actually makes me sad ._.
Anyway, do any of you guys have ankle/ foot pain after running? I'm slowly , but surely , getting back in shape. I ran a single mile yesterday in this park that has a single hill, and today the bottom of my left foot and my right ankle are killing me, rather than just sore muscles. The terrain was all grass and I wore proper shoes.
 

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^ Does losing a few pounds really make that much of a difference? That many more dates? That actually makes me sad ._.
Anyway, do any of you guys have ankle/ foot pain after running? I'm slowly , but surely , getting back in shape. I ran a single mile yesterday in this park that has a single hill, and today the bottom of my left foot and my right ankle are killing me, rather than just sore muscles. The terrain was all grass and I wore proper shoes.

~30 pounds? Yes. It actually makes an incredible difference unfortunately. Aside from looking better, you feel much better which leads to more confidence. Confidence is key but you have to pass the initial eye test which is unfortunately mainly aesthetic
 

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~30 pounds? Yes. It actually makes an incredible difference unfortunately. Aside from looking better, you feel much better which leads to more confidence. Confidence is key but you have to pass the initial eye test which is unfortunately mainly aesthetic
What about a confident chubby person?
This makes me sad. Some people just aren't thin , naturally ( think a woman with hypothyroidism), and what, they'll always be seen as less attractive? And here we are telling people that thin=more attractive is just a myth perpetuated by women...maybe there's a bit of a double standard here?
I mean, I went through a chubby phase when I was like, 14 ish ( puberty weight gain, some girls get it), and I don't anyone treated me differently while I was chubby and when I eventually lost it ( when I was like...15? It sloughed off eventually). I've lost weight since HS, too, and nobody has complimented me for it or acted like I look any better.
 

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What about a confident chubby person?
This makes me sad. Some people just aren't thin , naturally ( think a woman with hypothyroidism), and what, they'll always be seen as less attractive? And here we are telling people that thin=more attractive is just a myth perpetuated by women...maybe there's a bit of a double standard here?
I mean, I went through a chubby phase when I was like, 14 ish ( puberty weight gain, some girls get it), and I don't anyone treated me differently while I was chubby and when I eventually lost it ( when I was like...15? It sloughed off eventually). I've lost weight since HS, too, and nobody has complimented me for it or acted like I look any better.

Being a confident chubby person is great, better than a non-confident chubby person. But let's not act like we live in a fairy tale world where everyone is treated the same. Looks matter. Looking healthy matter. This has been scientifically proven. Two people who are equally qualified applying for a job, more than likely the more attractive person will get the job. That's life, let's not be naive. I'm not saying thin is attractive, but being healthy is.

Look at fat Jonah vs skinny Jonah. Hilarious guy. He had no problem with career success as a chubby guy and I'm sure still got ladies. But let's not play dumb and act like he looks better as fat Jonah. The world is not a fair place.
 

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Being a confident chubby person is great, better than a non-confident chubby person. But let's not act like we live in a fairy tale world where everyone is treated the same. Looks matter. Looking healthy matter. This has been scientifically proven. Two people who are equally qualified applying for a job, more than likely the more attractive person will get the job. That's life, let's not be naive. I'm not saying thin is attractive, but being healthy is.

Look at fat Jonah vs skinny Jonah. Hilarious guy. He had no problem with career success as a chubby guy and I'm sure still got ladies. But let's not play dumb and act like he looks better as fat Jonah. The world is not a fair place.
Right, right, I know. But the fact that so much of a relationship is based on fleeting looks is depressing. I'm thinner now than I've ever been and I don't feel more attractive lol.
Idk. This kind of stuff rubs me the wrong way. I know it sounded naive, I realize how much of life is tied to looks.
I've noticed other things about looks/relationships too, but I'm not gonna derail the thread. This kind of stuff makes me nauseous.
You're right that healthy>>thin, and they're not always the same. I just hope people realize that .
 
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^ Does losing a few pounds really make that much of a difference? That many more dates? That actually makes me sad ._.
Anyway, do any of you guys have ankle/ foot pain after running? I'm slowly , but surely , getting back in shape. I ran a single mile yesterday in this park that has a single hill, and today the bottom of my left foot and my right ankle are killing me, rather than just sore muscles. The terrain was all grass and I wore proper shoes.

I don't run too much, maybe 15-25 miles a week or so, so I'm not really a runner and this is just my own experience. That being said, personally I really limit how much I run outside (unless it's on a track) because too much annoying pain to deal with and it gets in the way of everything else. When I was in Orlando for some work things, I ran about 7 miles a day outside; it was amazing, but my joints were not happy. Can't go wrong with podcasts and treadmills.
 
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^ Does losing a few pounds really make that much of a difference? That many more dates? That actually makes me sad ._.
Anyway, do any of you guys have ankle/ foot pain after running? I'm slowly , but surely , getting back in shape. I ran a single mile yesterday in this park that has a single hill, and today the bottom of my left foot and my right ankle are killing me, rather than just sore muscles. The terrain was all grass and I wore proper shoes.

How's your running form? that can make a big difference in running pain free vs. not. Also, make sure those proper shoes are the proper shoes for you - not all running shoes are built alike. Running shoes are worth investing a bit of time/money into finding the right pair to keep your legs and feet healthy.

Also re: terrain: was it super smooth grass or uneven/lumpy/lots of tree roots? grass is generally nice to run on because it's soft, but if its very uneven that can be unpleasant and lead to pain/injury
 
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