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Will not be replying to any more comments, literally could care less what you internet trolls have to say. OP I wish you the best of luck!
TCMC MBS OR St.George's University School of Medicine????
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Never said you suck. We actually said the opposite. Great stats but no patience or humility to grind through the MCAT to get a US MD acceptance. Standardized testing does not end at the MCAT in your career.
It wouldn't make me feel better at all. I just find your train of thought amusing. Best of luck. I hope adcoms in the states see past your pretense.
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I 100% agree with the "no more money to apply again". All the premeds on the forums must have unlimited money when they say they are going for a reapplication. I don't know where they get the money. This process is so financially draining, and to just get rejected is crushing. I totally understand wanting to be done with the process.
You gotta be smart tho. Look at the trends. Everyone believes they will be in the top 50% of people who match, even those in the bottom 50%. That 50% number is also after the dropout rate is applied, so you are really looking at the top 25% of people who match. You are giving yourself a red flag from the get go.
With that said it's your future and your money on the line, and some lessons cannot be taught or lectured. Roll the dice, natural 20's do happen
You gotta be smart tho. Look at the trends. Everyone believes they will be in the top 50% of people who match, even those in the bottom 50%. That 50% number is also after the dropout rate is applied, so you are really looking at the top 25% of people who match. You are giving yourself a red flag from the get go.
With that said it's your future and your money on the line, and some lessons cannot be taught or lectured. Roll the dice, natural 20's do happen
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Funny. I come from a low income background and worked or took out loans to pay for applications and exams. I took full advantage of the reduced fee program as well.
Retaking the MCAT is an investment, not a waste. You'd rather not retake a $250 dollar exam than spend hundreds of thousands going to a Carribean with statistically lower chances of matching into a residency. A lot of people would kill for your GPA and the position you are in right now to get an acceptance.
For someone telling me to get off their high horse, you certainly like to assume their backgrounds.
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DO, PA, DPM... you choose. Crazy debt with a significant chance of not being able to pay it back or very good financial outlook in any of a number of healthcare professions where you get to make a difference by using your brain.
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You are actually the one being condescending to our DO colleagues. Medicine is moving more and more to a team and multidisciplinary approach. You will work side by side with DOs in your career and be supervised by them, and it would be best for you to treat them as the equals that they are to MDs.
I would point out that I am an MD. I have worked very closely and have nothing but respect for DO training and what I perceive is a slightly different, but no less effective, culture and approach. Sadly, the only reason I did not go the DO route and learn OMM, an extra skillset they have that I envy, was because there were less schools to apply to back in my day than there is now, and I only learned about MD vs DO too late to get a DO letter for my planned app cycle. Also because of the perceived discrimination in matching. I regret not standing up against this unfounded discrimination by going DO, which is why I have dedicated myself to being an MD that is what we call in social action an "ally," an MD that doesn't engage in discrimination against DOs. An ally is when members of a majority/dominant group stand up for another group.
However, if I had not got in my first app cycle, I would have happily and excitedly applied DO the next round. I would have been glad to go DO over going Caribbean, because I would have been excited to received an excellent stateside education with such a high Match rate.
"MD on your white coat as the sole reason to work your butt off to try and become a physician"? This is not condescension to give you the newsflash, that DO discrimination is now considered unprofessional in medicine, as evidenced by the ACGME and DO residency merger. Also, that the professional standard for medicine is that we are to be motivated by altruism. You violate this principle both by not claiming it as your primary reason for pursuing medicine, and by DO discrimination. You appear to mostly be motivated by perceived prestige rather than the quality of your medical education. This is concerning.
The Caribbean discrimination you see here is because there is evidence that those schools take a lot of money from students, and do not provide an equivalent or satisfactory medical education, and do not poise them for success in the Match. MDs that do not obtain and complete residencies are not able to practice clinical medicine. This comes at a huge cost to both the students and their families, and any school that does this is also not acting out of altruism for students, families, society.
If you want to do what a doctor does, then you won't care about the letters. It's not about the ****ing letters. I have never heard a stupider reason to become a doctor.
Sound condescending? I swore an oath to look out for my colleagues and the operating standard of the profession. That's what I do when I tell the cold hard truth about how altruism is #1, DOs should not be subject to discrimination, concern about Caribbean education quality, and concern that Caribbean schools don't poise many students for success in the field.
Put away your ego.
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This isn't about being condescending or attacking you, BUT:
-$300 for an exam is nothing compared to several hundred thousand dollars of debt without a way to pay it off.
-Any DO > SGU MD
-Being unwilling to put in the effort to re-take the MCAT and feeling that taking 1 additional exam at the end of your second year of medical school is some outrageous task that isn't worth your time or effort presents an attitude that would indicate why your previous MD interviews did not go as you would have hoped.
-This last one is just something that bothers me personally and you should feel free to ignore it: you said "could care less" when in reality you meant that you could NOT care less.
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if being a doctor is what you want have courage and don't fail.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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She said, ironically.
@Crayola227 is not being condescending. She is a successful USMD who matched, and she is trying to discourage other premeds from making the same mistake you're about to make. People like you are exactly who those thieves prey on. You really think that you're going to be the special snowflake that doesn't fail out or quit, doesn't get decelerated, passes boards, AND matches when everyone else going there has a 50/50 shot? Why are you special? Even if you make it all the way to graduation and to the match, most programs will view going to the Carib as a red flag.
Additionally, the people who told you to go foreign MD over DO gave you terrible, terrible advice and should refund you the money you blow down there.
The fact that having the MD after your name is the only reason you care about going to med school (your words, not mine) makes it highly unlikely that you will come back from the island as a doctor.
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How did you like the program at tcmc? I wax accepted too for this fall.
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Majority of the time it's about who you know. Not what you know. So many students do not succeed simply because they do not have the connections. I love your positive attitude @gatorgirl23. And that is what is going to get you where you want to be. If it is your passion you follow it. Not switch to DO because it's easier. Who wants a career in something they don't enjoy. Those are the people that are later salty and miserable. I visited SGU last year and it is a great school. Grenada is beautiful. Considering it after my masters. And you have a scholarship? There's no reason you shouldnt take the opportunity! You go girl!
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You realize that DO = med school = physician = not easier. Why wouldn't this person enjoy a career as a DO vs. MD? Going to DO school is still following the passion to be a physician.
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Many if not most DO students take the USMLE, and those I know who have taken both exams have scored in roughly the same percentiles for both. Regardless, comparing the COMLEX and USMLE is pointless and irrelevant; residency programs either expect the USMLE or know how to assess the COMLEX if they accept either/or. If anything, you could argue that the DO with identical stats to an MD knows more, since they have to spend hours each week learning OMM, which as I understand it is a huge time commitment.
I worked with physicians for years before medical school and didn't know who was MD versus who was a DO until I started applying, and the DOs asked if I wanted DO-specific letters since I was applying to both allopathic and osteopathic schools. The so-called bias really only exists among pre-meds, and those who don't know much about being a physician.
Had I not gotten into my top choice school, I would have proudly gone to an osteopathic school. It's true that your options are *slightly* more limited; as an osteopathic student, it's harder to match at the most prestigious programs and some of the most competitive specialties like neurosurgery, ortho, and derm. But it's certainly not impossible and does happen every year, whereas it's almost unheard of for Caribbean students to match into anything but primary care. Had I not gotten into any US schools, I would have improved my application and reapplied the following cycle. It's not worth the gamble, and it's only going to get harder to match, especially with the merger. The chances of success coming from the Caribbean dropped significantly from the generation before us until now, and the prospects are only going to become more grim.
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You can do as you please. I was simply encouraging her because everyone else seems to know so much. I wasn't trying to offend you. Sorry if you took it personally. S/O to the DOs !
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You can do as you please. I was simply encouraging her because everyone else seems to know so much. I wasn't trying to offend you. Sorry if you took it personally. S/O to the DOs !
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I appreciate that you're trying to encourage her. I just don't think your encouragement showed that you understand that DO = physician.
And why would I take it personally? I go to an MD school.
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Oh then why we talking. K...
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Connections help in business and when you're looking for jobs, but not in med school admissions. That's why they have large admissions committees. And if you're really interested in going to a Caribbean school, you can skip the Master's degree-just apply now and you can start as soon as your check clears!
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If someone wants to bet 400k at a casino with a less than a 50% chance of becoming a doctor. who are we to tell them it's a bad idea.
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I completely agree.
But for the purpose of the initial steps of medical education, IT IS about what you know and nothing else. Unless you bribe people which I'd imagine is illegal.
Good luck in Grenada if you choose to go there. Make sure you have a 3.2 and around 503 MCAT before applying or else even Grenada will offer a rejection. Don't believe all what you hear but at the same time be careful because those school's are not for everybody.
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FFS, let this chick go through SGU, either fail out or pass, and have difficulty matching into an IM residency in Idaho. If she somehow gets through all of that, then good for her who are we to say anything? If she doesn't, then it's N=9000 as to why not to go to the Caribbean
