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Is this possible to do with just an MD?

I am under the impression that it is possible, but I'm not certain.

I want to incorporate this into my PS and just want to make sure before sounding like an idiot. To be exact, I am a philosophy minor and love ethics, have a few extracurriculars revolving around ethics.. even if I were not able to teach medical ethics, I would still want to be a doctor, but the fact that the potential is there removes absolutely any doubt in my mind.

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seems like a pretty specific goal to put in a PS, but to each his own, i'm sure.
 

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seems like a pretty specific goal to put in a PS, but to each his own, i'm sure.
im really just going to say im passionate about it now and the fact that i will have the option to continue it if i desire is really really convincing.

i hope the fact that im not going to say i want to teach medical ethics for sure will help avoid making it seem like a specific goal
 

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I see nothing wrong with writing about how one of your goals as physician will be to strive for and promote ethical medical practice. To answer your question, you definitely can teach medical ethics and work on an ethics committee as an MD. If medical ethics is one of your passions or motivations, write about it.
 

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Is this possible to do with just an MD?

I am under the impression that it is possible, but I'm not certain.

I want to incorporate this into my PS and just want to make sure before sounding like an idiot. To be exact, I am a philosophy minor and love ethics, have a few extracurriculars revolving around ethics.. even if I were not able to teach medical ethics, I would still want to be a doctor, but the fact that the potential is there removes absolutely any doubt in my mind.

Thanks!
that sounds like a really neat approach to your PS to combine philosophy and medicine.

just keep in mind, then, that you open the door on interviews for them to go for medical ethics in their questioning/discussion. assuming its a passion, this shouldn't be a problem. you may even welcome that discussion :).
 

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just keep in mind, then, that you open the door on interviews for them to go for medical ethics in their questioning/discussion. assuming its a passion, this shouldn't be a problem. you may even welcome that discussion :).
I was just going to say this. Just be ready, they might "test" you a bit. but if you really enjoy it, that will show and it might be a great addition to your application as a whole.
 

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My personal statement mentioned this sort of thing. Not one ethics question at any of my interviews (except Cincinnati, but everyone had the same standardized stations there). So if you're hoping for it, you might get unlucky because of it.

And you can definitely do medical ethics (and bioethics) work with an MD, although many in that field have an additional masters or a JD.
 

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My personal statement mentioned this sort of thing. Not one ethics question at any of my interviews (except Cincinnati, but everyone had the same standardized stations there). So if you're hoping for it, you might get unlucky because of it.

And you can definitely do medical ethics (and bioethics) work with an MD, although many in that field have an additional masters or a JD.
Thanks! On that note though, I just noticed your signature.. what schools did you look at with an emphasis in bioethics?
 

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you sure don't need an MD for that...and I'd think that if that's all you want to do with your MD you'd get bored out of your mind. Are you implying that you won't do a residency and are finding ways to use your MD? If that is the case, I'd not put that down. At this point in time this country needs physicians, not ethicists.
 

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Thanks! On that note though, I just noticed your signature.. what schools did you look at with an emphasis in bioethics?
I'd like to hear this too.

With my limited knowledge: Georgetown comes to mind, since I know they focus heavily on cura personalis and the overall Georgetown University is apparently very influential in bioethical standards (my Bioethics professor thought highly of Georgetown's bioethics program).
 

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you sure don't need an MD for that...and I'd think that if that's all you want to do with your MD you'd get bored out of your mind. Are you implying that you won't do a residency and are finding ways to use your MD? If that is the case, I'd not put that down. At this point in time this country needs physicians, not ethicists.
lol im not really sure where you got any of this from.

1) im asking if you can teach medical ethics with an MD, not if you can teach it without an MD
2) i never said thats all i would want to do with an MD
3) i never even came close to mentioning i don't want to do a residency
4) basically, i'm saying that its nice that i will have the option available to teach medical ethics
 

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lol im not really sure where you got any of this from.

1) im asking if you can teach medical ethics with an MD, not if you can teach it without an MD
2) i never said thats all i would want to do with an MD
3) i never even came close to mentioning i don't want to do a residency
4) basically, i'm saying that its nice that i will have the option available to teach medical ethics
Oh I see. Well, I am sure you'll have plenty of opportunities to do that. However, it's not so rare. Many (most?) med schools have ethics as part of their curricula and small group leaders (MDs) are the ones coordinating it. So, yes, you'll be teaching ethics easily and it's not a special or unique arrangement.
 

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Oh I see. Well, I am sure you'll have plenty of opportunities to do that. However, it's not so rare. Many (most?) med schools have ethics as part of their curricula and small group leaders (MDs) are the ones coordinating it. So, yes, you'll be teaching ethics easily and it's not a special or unique arrangement.
thank you! this is exactly what i was looking for :)
 

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lol im not really sure where you got any of this from.

1) im asking if you can teach medical ethics with an MD, not if you can teach it without an MD
2) i never said thats all i would want to do with an MD
3) i never even came close to mentioning i don't want to do a residency
4) basically, i'm saying that its nice that i will have the option available to teach medical ethics
Yes you can teach it with an MD. However not infrequently the folks teaching ethics are JDs, because it's usually difficult to parse the ethical and legal issues.

Also bear in mind that most med schools don't have a formal course offering in ethics per se, rather they kind of work it in in small chunks throughout the year, with different lecturers. You might find there are very few places that have a full time ethics professor job to fill, but more places that provide the opportunity to give a lecture or two now and then should you so desire. Meaning it's tough to make a career of this.
 

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My personal statement mentioned this sort of thing. Not one ethics question at any of my interviews (except Cincinnati, but everyone had the same standardized stations there). So if you're hoping for it, you might get unlucky because of it.

And you can definitely do medical ethics (and bioethics) work with an MD, although many in that field have an additional masters or a JD.
im bumping for more info on schools that have an emphasis on bioethcis
 

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There are a number of schools including Case Western, Louisville, Northwestern, Penn and Pitt that offer the MA in bioethics concurrent with the MD. That should be a clue that the school has substantial representation of bioethics specialists on the faculty. Also ask (at interview) if there are ethics rounds or other opportunities to discuss ethical issues that arise in the clinical clerkships.
 

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There are a number of schools including Case Western, Louisville, Northwestern, Penn and Pitt that offer the MA in bioethics concurrent with the MD. That should be a clue that the school has substantial representation of bioethics specialists on the faculty. Also ask (at interview) if there are ethics rounds or other opportunities to discuss ethical issues that arise in the clinical clerkships.
Yup! In regards to Case, the Cleveland Clinic program has some really interesting looking options of ethics, but I'm not sure how good the reputation is but the opportunities seemed amazing. I think Georgetown was mentioned earlier (they are even structured for an MD/PhD in bioethics), which has some truly great ethics opportunities. Albany Medical College has traditionally had a strong ethics program. Harvard has an ethics program, but I've heard its something you have to seek out more on your own. PennState has a strong ethics program you can get involved in. Off the top of my head, Wake Forest is another school with an MDMA. I think BU has an MPH that can be mostly bioethics as well, but I may be misremembering that.

There are quite a few other schools with MD/MA (/MS/MPH) in bioethics. Many schools that have either "majors" like Stanford or independent projects like Emory are set up in such a way that you can get an awesome bioethics experience while in school without the added degree (and the generally added year and cost it entails).
 

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I'm not advocating for the extra degree, just for the fact that a school with an MA/MD program by definition has to have a substantial faculty devoted to bioethics and that often spills over into academic opportunities for students not enrolled in the bioethics program.
 

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Yes getting just an MD would put you in a great position to teach medical ethics. My medical ethics professor was an MD/MPH but I don't think the MPH was necessary, probably just a reflection of his interests.