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You're not in a court of law. You're talking to some idiot at a mixer. Say what you want.
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You're not in a court of law. You're talking to some idiot at a mixer. Say what you want.
it's weird to respond to my own post but i found a funny youtube video about it. enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmj6WtkJg8A&feature=feedlikso, what line of work are you in?
"i'm in medical school"
oh great! my cousin is a doctor, she's a nurse practioner
uhhh....what medical school did she go to?
well, i just told you she's a nurse
The DO I shadowed before applying to med school said that back in the day he could have payed like $100 to change his DO to MD in CA.
Here's two daily battles I face...
Convo 1
So... what are yah doing with your life right now?
I am attending medical school.
Oh.. so you have another 8 years of school now?
No... I have 4 years, 2 years of class and 2 years of clinical training; then is residency which is a job.
Residency? that is still schooling.
No. Residency is a job, you are fully licensed after your first year and are paid...
Gah, I wouldnt go to school for 12 years.
Conversation 2
So, what you doing with your life?
I am going to medical school...
Oh, how long is it?
4 years
So you waisted all that time getting your biology degree and are starting over?
No, you have to have a bachelors to get into medical school...
No you don't! My friend got her nursing degree in 4 years.
That is for nursing school, this is to be a physician.
Oh, well, okay then. Still don't see the difference.
so, what line of work are you in?
"i'm in medical school"
oh great! my cousin is a doctor, she's a nurse practioner
uhhh....what medical school did she go to?
well, i just told you she's a nurse
Common folk were forced to overcome the stigma of DOs and found out they were the sh*$ and so even when the MDs returned from war, the DOs had established a stronghold.
Is it improper to explain that a DO is basically an MD degree mixed with a bit of PT?
Is it improper to explain that a DO is basically an MD degree mixed with a bit of PT?
i bet you got tired of responding to their ignoranceJust thought I'd throw my example in: Background is I just gave my 3 weeks notice and have been informing my employees that I'm going to medical school.
Me: Next Friday is my last day here.
Him: Oh did you find something else?
Me: Well I'm going to medical school starting in July.
Him: Oh my daughter did that. She graduated from (four year university w/ a BA) last year. Didn't you already go to college?
Me: Yes, but now I'm going to medical school. It's a doctorate, not a bachelor's; you need a bachelor's to go to medical school.
Him: That seems silly, my daughter just went for four years and you're going to go for eight?
Me: Yeah...I guess I just like the academic environment....
Man: So you are going to med school?
Me: Yes
Man: What kind of doctor do you want to be?
Me: Not sure, I am interested in a few things but I have always liked anesthesiology.
Man: One of my friends is an anesthesiologist, and he makes a lot of money. My other friend is an MD.
Me: huh?
The general public is so dumb sometimes. Apparently an anesthesiologist is not a doctor....
Man: So you are going to med school?
Me: Yes
Man: What kind of doctor do you want to be?
Me: Not sure, I am interested in a few things but I have always liked anesthesiology.
Man: One of my friends is an anesthesiologist, and he makes a lot of money. My other friend is an MD.
Me: huh?
The general public is so dumb sometimes. Apparently an anesthesiologist is not a doctor....
i frequently hear nurse anethesists referred to as anesthesiologists. permaybehaps this is what he was referring to?
i frequently hear nurse anethesists referred to as anesthesiologists. permaybehaps this is what he was referring to?
I told someone I was going on a medical school interview, he asked if the interview was to work at a hospital. Even after trying to explain the admissions process, he thought I was applying for an administrative job in a hospital. A few weeks later, after getting into the school, I told a friend that I got in and she asked if I was going to get my PhD. I guess I take for granted my familiarity with healthcare professions and schooling.
Yeah, it's easy to forget how much time we've all invested into learning the ins/outs of the medical education system as we progress through college and medical school.
The general public is fairly oblivious to this stuff, but why shouldn't they be? They haven't been fixated and immersed in this process for the amount of time most of us have. It seems threads like these just serve as an outlet for us all to stroke our egos at how little the "common man" knows about the world.
I'm guilty of the same thinking, so I guess I'm just feeling introspective. Meh, carry on...
nah dude your absolutely right...i think we all get lost in this bubble and forget that most people dont know and dont give a damn about this whole med school process...i personally don't see it as being the "common man" not understanding the glorious road of the doctor...i'm a common man...i honestly dont think of myself as being smarter than anyone else, or more capable...i've just been exposed to the dangers of not getting a higher education for years.....we are lucky as hell to be in the position we're in...we complain about a FM salary being 130k when the average income in the whole nation is 30-35k...we have our heads up our asses..we care so much about school names...gpa numbers...mcat scorse..usmle scores...residency positions...salaries...$$....and its like, who really cares? there's so much bull**** we worry about, because we are just surrounded by other people who worry about this bull****.
i guess it's because alot of my friends are kinda poor and come from broken homes, so just being in a grad school is considered a "success" to me....but i think REAL SUCCESS is just being happy with yourself...ok im going on a tangent here, anyways u get my point
I don't tell anybody that I'm a medical student unless they really push me for the information--graduate student is all they usually get from me. So many people, especially one's you're meeting for the first time, seem to think that just because I'm a a med student that I'm some sort of pompous, egotistical, workaholic ******* (unless they're a med student as well.)
This one is classic...
A: So what are you doing these days?
B: I'm attending medical school this July
A: Oh how exciting! You're going to be an MD!
B: -_-"" well actually I'm going to an osteopathic medical school.
A: Oh whats that?
B: blah blah blah.....
2.) Short-version:
There are two degrees in the US to becoming a medical doctor. One is an MD, the other is a DO. The difference is that DO's have to take classes in neuromuscular medicine/manual medicine which has no evidence to support it, at the expense of time that could have been allocated to biochemistry/pharmacology. Otherwise everything else is the same. Classes, rotations, and residency. An MD or DO can practice in any specialty.
There's a document online that compares hours of training between MDs, DOs and I want to say NDs and it shows that DOs lose about 200 hours from Biochem/pharmacology which is reallocated to OMM.
It bothers me when I see people write "... MD = DO except DOs take extra..." no you don't take "extra" you sacrifice another part of your medical education for OMM.
This said, I believe DOs to be the legal and professional equivalent to MD and should be treated as such, I am not however going to mince words or let misinformation fly.
There's a document online that compares hours of training between MDs, DOs and I want to say NDs and it shows that DOs lose about 200 hours from Biochem/pharmacology which is reallocated to OMM.
It bothers me when I see people write "... MD = DO except DOs take extra..." no you don't take "extra" you sacrifice another part of your medical education for OMM.
This said, I believe DOs to be the legal and professional equivalent to MD and should be treated as such, I am not however going to mince words or let misinformation fly.
I've seen this too, but does the loss of 200 hours in those subjects really make a difference on their ability to become a physician?
It bothers me when I see people write "... MD = DO except DOs take extra..." no you don't take "extra" you sacrifice another part of your medical education for OMM.
There's a document online that compares hours of training between MDs, DOs and I want to say NDs and it shows that DOs lose about 200 hours from Biochem/pharmacology which is reallocated to OMM.
It bothers me when I see people write "... MD = DO except DOs take extra..." no you don't take "extra" you sacrifice another part of your medical education for OMM.
This said, I believe DOs to be the legal and professional equivalent to MD and should be treated as such, I am not however going to mince words or let misinformation fly.
There's a document online that compares hours of training between MDs, DOs and I want to say NDs and it shows that DOs lose about 200 hours from Biochem/pharmacology which is reallocated to OMM.
It bothers me when I see people write "... MD = DO except DOs take extra..." no you don't take "extra" you sacrifice another part of your medical education for OMM .
This said, I believe DOs to be the legal and professional equivalent to MD and should be treated as such, I am not however going to mince words or let misinformation fly.
i made this thread...and now i want it killed......only been a few months and im already tired and sick of DO and MD comparison talks....lets make a toast to end this discussion, and all future debates....we are all med students, and im happy to say ill be a doctor...in the end thats all that matters.
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Last night, I talked with a guy online that I used to play an online game with about 10 years ago.
"What are you doing these days?"
"I'm in medical school."
"You're trying to be a doctor or you're in real medical school?"
"Uh..? I'm in medical school. I'll be a doctor in a couple years."
"Oh, what kind of doctor do you want to be?"
"I'm not sure yet. Maybe an anesthesiologist?"
"Anesthesiology isn't a PhD"
"Yeah, it's a residency program after you get your MD"
"No, it's a 5 year college program. My best friend is an anesthesiologist."
"Sounds like you're talking about a CRNA. Your friend is probably a nurse"
"No, he has a masters in anesthesiology. You don't get that from medical school."
He went on to argue with me about psychiatry and how family docs have the best lifestyles and great salaries. When I asked him what he was doing, he told me he was a big shot executive with Target. He said they recruited him his freshman year in college. After some questioning, I found that "executive" is part of his job title at Target and that he's an assistant manager of some section of the store. lol.
OMG LOL REALLY? LOL
You're so right, Your job is so much more important than his and that obviously makes you the superior being, I'm surprised you didn't tell him to know his place.
Seriously, I just read this entire thread and I'm shocked by how condescending some of you people are. Not everyone knows about Medical school or what it entails yet you jump on these people calling them "stupid". I pray for the sake of your future patients you don't have these delusions of you being somehow superior to someone because they don't make as much money as you, or they don't have a piece of paper with "MD" on it.