Temple or the Chicago Medical School

[DrBodacious]

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OK wtf, my post didn't get thru the first time, I'll re-write it...

Similar, but so very different than the "Harvard vs. Hopkins" thread.

here is what I'm considering:

Reputation:
About the same??
I know Temple has great clinical exposure, but CMS has decent hospitals to rotate thru in Chi Town. I'm interested in surgery btw.

Tuition:
Temple: $30,020 (in state)
CMS: $36,740

Grading:
Temple: H/HP/P/C/F
Finch: Numerical Grading 🙁


Location:
Go to school in Philly's ghetto and live in downtown Philly vs. middle of nowhere years 1 & 2 but live in Chi town yrs 3 & 4.

Teaching Facilities:
CMS: Good, but isolated
Temple: Not so good from what I saw, will be mega construction going on too.

Any thoughts would be very welcome!

 

[Deuteronomy]

wasn't temple on the verge of losing accreditation?

I would go to Finch since they have a better rep of quality physicians.

 

[DrBodacious]

Also, any general opinions about Philadelphia would be helpful. I've spent a summer in Chicago, so I know it is awsome, but I haven't been in Philadelphia except for my interview at Temple-- all I saw was North Philly.

 

[DrBodacious]

Originally posted by Deuteronomy
wasn't temple on the verge of losing accreditation?

I would go to Finch since they have a better rep of quality physicians.

The accredation probation was because of their sub-par teaching facilities. They are off probation now that they have a new medical school bldg. in the works. It will not be completed untill '07 though, so I wouldn't see it, and I would get to experience the jackhammers and bulldozers while I'm studying next door. The facilities at Temple are the main reason I'm considering CMS. I'm not convinced that Finch has "a better rep of quality physicians." What are you basing that statement on?

 

[Deuteronomy]

dr B,

I'm from L.A, but I know for a fact that Wayne State and CMS have a stellar record of producing quality clinical-patient doctors.

 

[uclacrewdude]

Originally posted by DrBodacious
The accredation probation was because of their sub-par teaching facilities. They are off probation now that they have a new medical school bldg. in the works. It will not be completed untill '07 though, so I wouldn't see it, and I would get to experience the jackhammers and bulldozers while I'm studying next door. The facilities at Temple are the main reason I'm considering CMS. I'm not convinced that Finch has "a better rep of quality physicians." What are you basing that statement on?

actually, it was a combination of factors, including high student debt load after graduation (the class size has been cut by 20%, so more $$ is available for students) and lack of internet access (most classrooms are now wifi capable, and almost all rooms have a hard line). the teaching facilities are pretty much like undergrad, so unless you want lazboy recliners for lecture you wont notice much of a diff. it certainly doesnt have a negative impact on our education.

most of all, the kids who go to school here just plain rock, and tend to be more mellow than most medstus.

 

[exmike]

I'd go to Temple. I'm sure both produce good doctors, but I think Temple's rep is much better.

 

[DrBodacious]

Ok, so we've got one vote that Temple's rep is better, and one vot that CMS's rep is better...

Any other opinions?

I was leaning towards Temple.

Thanks for the insight on Temple's student body UCLAcrew.

 

[beponychick]

Hi Dr,

I would go to Temple. I went to school in Philly for undergrad and I interviewed at Chicago, and the two locations are not comparable. True, Temple is not in the best of neighborhoods, but you are very very close to the city. Plus, you have a great chance to interact with a very diverse population of patients will will make you all the more a better doctor. So Temple gets my vote. Congratulations on your acceptaces!

🙂

 

[DrBodacious]

Thank you beponychick!

I think I've confirmed Temple > CMS.
Any more advice?

 

[2bkiddoc]

Hey,

Definately go to Temple. The issue about probation is resolved and it was never really a huge concern of the student body to begin with - they needed a "gentle nudge" updating facilities. The city of Philadelphia is so much better than the experiences you would have your first two years at Finch. My co-worker is going to Temple in the fall. The neighborhood is no worse than Finch's, plus there are AWESOME places to live in center city philadelphia with the ability to commute (30 mins. public trans) to temple's part of town. Plus, the reputation of Temple is that it graduates damn fine clinicians, and there is adequate opportunity for medical student research as well.

I live in Philadelphia now and you will be able to keep yourself de-stressed with non-medical school things very easily with Philly. From my understanding, Finch's accessibility to the main parts of chicago are much more difficult than temple's to the rest of center city.

Go Temple...

 

[jlee9531]

id choose temple as well.

the new changes they have made just make it all the more receptive to go there. but id prefer to live in philly as well.

 

[uclacrewdude]

Originally posted by 2bkiddoc
Hey,

Definately go to Temple. The issue about probation is resolved and it was never really a huge concern of the student body to begin with - they needed a "gentle nudge" updating facilities. The city of Philadelphia is so much better than the experiences you would have your first two years at Finch. My co-worker is going to Temple in the fall. The neighborhood is no worse than Finch's, plus there are AWESOME places to live in center city philadelphia with the ability to commute (30 mins. public trans) to temple's part of town. Plus, the reputation of Temple is that it graduates damn fine clinicians, and there is adequate opportunity for medical student research as well.

I live in Philadelphia now and you will be able to keep yourself de-stressed with non-medical school things very easily with Philly. From my understanding, Finch's accessibility to the main parts of chicago are much more difficult than temple's to the rest of center city.

Go Temple...

good point. i live in center city and the commute is really easy ... remarkable, considering in california funding mass transit really just means expanding the 405 to six lanes ... i save a ton on car crap, and everythings nearby.

actually, post your picture. THEN i can tell you whether or not you should come here or not.

 

[TheRussian]

Pick temple, when I went to Finch I got the impression that most of the students were not very happy because they didn't choose to go to Finch, rather they went there because it was their only choice. In addition to that I got the impression tha the workload at Finch is much worse than at most schools.
When I was at Temple the enviornment was a bit uncomfortable cause I felt I was going to get shot any second but at least the students seemed happy.

 

[2bkiddoc]

don't worry, you wont get shot. i live in west philly and feel that way a lot. especially when i go to the thriftway!

 

[DrBodacious]

Originally posted by uclacrewdude
actually, post your picture. THEN i can tell you whether or not you should come here or not.

LOL, why don't you post YOUR picture, then I'll decide if I want to go to school with your ugly ass! J/K

I do agree that CMS seemed to have a higher stress atmopshere and since I'm more the laid back type, I'm going with Temple.

Does anyone see any reason to send in a deposit to CMS then? Like, in case something goes terribly wrong (i.e. I flunk a class and Temple won't take me but CMS will.)

 

[jlee9531]

Originally posted by DrBodacious
LOL, why don't you post YOUR picture, then I'll decide if I want to go to school with your ugly ass! J/K

I do agree that CMS seemed to have a higher stress atmopshere and since I'm more the laid back type, I'm going with Temple.

Does anyone see any reason to send in a deposit to CMS then? Like, in case something goes terribly wrong (i.e. I flunk a class and Temple won't take me but CMS will.)

i doubt cms will take you as well if you flunk a class.

 

[exmike]

Originally posted by jlee9531
i doubt cms will take you as well if you flunk a class.

good point. take your would-be-deposit money and take your girl (or boy) out to a nice night out on the town.

 

[Adapt]

I'd go to Temple because of the excellent clinicals. Their hospital treats the most gunshot victims. You can't beat that. 👍

 

[Spitting Camel]

Originally posted by Slickness
I'd go to Temple because of the excellent clinicals. Their hospital treats the most gunshot victims. You can't beat that. 👍

Picture this rolling around on the floor:

 

[CalBeE]

Originally posted by Slickness
I'd go to Temple because of the excellent clinicals. Their hospital treats the most gunshot victims. You can't beat that. 👍

Buy some guns and have your fellow classmates shoot each other. Then you have many gun shot victims to treat. You can't beat that either! 😉

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by CalBeE
Buy some guns and have your fellow classmates shoot each other. Then you have many gun shot victims to treat. You can't beat that either! 😉

Sure can't. Improve your clinicals and eliminate the competition. NICE. 😎

 

[uclacrewdude]

one more thing id like to add about temple that i didnt find immediately about a lot of other schools: the student population is really socially proactive. theres a high sense of social responsibility, with lots of community service and political awareness groups readily evident on campus. its just so cool to see so many people have a sense of duty to others, like few of us take being so lucky for granted. makes me feel good ...

 

[JM.]

And we did very well in the match. Good residencies, good programs.

 

[DrBodacious]

That's cool to hear UCLA and jmwalker. So when you say community service, would volunteering in clinics be the most common thing, or are you talking about other things like mentoring kids, fundraising etc? Do you guys typically volunteer in the Temple med area, or is there any place in particular?