Does anyone have recently published stats on the COMLEX pass rates and scoring average of each D.O. school? This would just be an interesting fact to know, that's all. Thanks
Does anyone have recently published stats on the COMLEX pass rates and scoring average of each D.O. school? This would just be an interesting fact to know, that's all. Thanks
What's interesting is that schools often only talk about the impressive pass rates of students, without mentioning the average.
Just because 98% pass in itself isn't impressive if 80% barely pass.
Something I didn't consider until someone told me about this.
What's interesting is that schools often only talk about the impressive pass rates of students, without mentioning the average.
Just because 98% pass in itself isn't impressive if 80% barely pass.
Something I didn't consider until someone told me about this.
I'd be very interested to learn how it would be possible to teach at a level where you have an above-average passing percentage and a below average overall score. You're think they would be correlated. You either know this stuff or you don't. Does anyone have any actual numbers to verify whether this has really ever been the case? Seems like an odd hypothetical situation that people are unnecessarily freaking out about.
I wanted to point something out that I didn't know before I started medical school. Some schools make you take a pre-test that is basically a remake of the test and if you don't pass the pre-test than they won't let you take the real test. This is one way to keep their "pass rate" high. So in all honesty the pass rate doesn't mean a whole lot unless you are willing to research which schools let everyone take it vs. which ones screen out potential fails first. Here at WVSOM we do not have a screening test. Everyone that passes first and second year can take the test. I believe our pass rate is around 82%.
I believe AZCOM does a screening/pre-test. I would consider this a good thing since you want everyone to do well, but I think it's unanimous that what is said about board scores should be taken with salt.
Thanks for letting us know about WVSOM. I admire their trust in the students enough to take it without pre-screening, although I would prefer it the other way around.
woah, yea. like a bucket of salt. If they only let students who pass a screening take the COMLEX that means that almost everyone who is taking it is projected to pass in the first place. How can you even take pass rates seriously anymore without knowing whether there is a pre-screen? I guess I can't blame admissions for trying to sell their school, part of the game I guess.
But the COMLEX is generally/always required for graduation. So, even if there is a pre-screen, everyone has to take it eventually. They will just take it, knowing they will pass, or at least knowing they are highly likely to pass.
Seems like a win-win to me. Sign me up for a pre-screen--I don't wanna fail.
Lecom- Bradenton...I studied for an extra week after board review, took the test, went to Las Vegas for a week, then moved to Orlando a few days before rotations started. Nobody is prevented from taking boards as long as you pass all your subjects. The last two classes have averaged a 97% pass rate and well above 500 in average score. .
Do you know anything about LECOM-B's USMLE Step 1 pass rate or average?
Do you know anything about LECOM-B's USMLE Step 1 pass rate or average?
schools normally dont release these becaues USMLE test takers are a self-selecting group. They might...they would be in the minority though.
Did anyone else get an evil eye from the admins when they asked DO schools if they had any info on the proportion and performance of their students on the USMLE? You woulda thought I hit em with a mean 'yo momma' joke!
For those of us interested in Allopathic residencies after graduation, we will want to take the Usmle Step 1, especially for competitive specialties. Many DO schools like to think that residency programs are coming around to the Comlex but the truth is there is still a lot of bias.
In order to see if there was a basis for this bias, in 2006 the AOA decided to study the correlation, if any, between a score on comlex levels 1/2 and usmle steps 1/2. The following is what they found.
"The USMLE Step 1 score is predicted by the COMLEX-USA Level 1 score using the following equation:
USMLE Step 1 = 67.97 + 0.24*COMLEX-USA Level 1
(R^2=0.68)"
The USMLE Step 2 score is predicted by the corresponding COMLEX-USA Level 2 score using the following equation:
USMLE Step 2 = 102.2 + 0.18 COMLEX-USA Level 2"
R^2 is known as the correlation coefficiten. ie. the degree of variability in the usmle scroe than can be attributesd to the degree of variability in comlex score. As you can see, even a COMLEX 1 score of 500 works out to a USMLE score of (67.97+0.24*500) or 188. This is just 6 points above the minimum passing score on the USMLE and well below any Allopathic school average.
This article can be found in the Journal of the AOA Vol 106 No 9 September 2006. I have posted the link here.
So, when you look at a DO school and are intereted in doing a tradtionally competitive specialty or wish to do an Allpathic Residency, look long and hard at the schools level of board prep and past performance. As you can clearly see, DO students on average are at a disadvantage when it comes to board score, one of the biggest screening factors for residencies.
This stuff isn't hard to find people. When you're at these schools ask some questions, this is your career you're deciding on.
http://www.jaoa.org/cgi/reprint/106/9/568.pdf
This conversion score is bs and the study they used was faulty. I believe they only looked at one school. This undershot my usmle score by 30 points. We are talking about competitive for nothing to competitive for ROADE specialties. If a PD actually used this score to convert my comlex i woudl have been screwed.
This conversion score is bs and the study they used was faulty. I believe they only looked at one school. This undershot my usmle score by 30 points. We are talking about competitive for nothing to competitive for ROADE specialties. If a PD actually used this score to convert my comlex i woudl have been screwed.
The plain truth is the average DO student will score lower on the usmle than the average MD student. This is what the MCAT is used as a predictor for, medical student academic performance. The average DO student has a lower MCAT than the average MD student. The difference stems from the student populations in each discipline and the education itself. In DO schools they are preparing you to take the comlex, not the usmle. That prep you do on your own, like most of your comlex studying. The comlex is not simply the usmle with OMM as many would have you believe. They are different animals.
Funny thing is... I scored better than the majority of my classmates on the MCAT and yet I still feel like I struggle to get As.
MCAT isn't such a great predictor.
Just like the SAT wasn't a great predictor for college performance. I was below average as far as SAT scores at my college but still did above average in my classes. Then I get a higher than average MCAT (for my school) and now I feel like I struggle to stay above average.
These tests suck. Of course this is n=1=me
I forget what my point was.
I'm going to class.
anyone know if NYCOM has this pre-test?
An 82% pass rate without a pre-screening seems like a terrible situation, compared to a pre-screen and a 98% pass rate.
Am I missing something? Anyone object? Why? You can't go back and make up for a failed COMLEX. You can pass, but the failed score remains.
I had the exact same thought. These numbers probably almost always correlate. And if there is deviation, it is probably minuscule.
Ditto.
The fact that MD and DO school USMLE and COMLEX scores are not openly posted and available for viewing is almost criminal IMHO. Students are now paying top dollar to attend these schools and this sort of information should be publicly available to students to allow them to make fully informed choices.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say ... who gives a ****. I guess school's can give you access to Q bank or maybe more time off for the boards or something, but I'm not sure how much this really correlates with success. Granted, I really don't know what I'm talking about as a pre-med, but I'm gonna guess that it comes down to the student and how hard they work for it. I know I'm not taking COMLEX pass rate into my decision making process whatsoever. If I want to pass/do well on COMLEX, then that is my responsibility. I'm not going to blame my school if I do poorly, nor am I going to pick one school that had 95% pass over one that had 93% pass.
it is actually a law that the school has to make the board scores (the pass rate) available to their students. Our school wouldn't initially tell us our first 3rd year class board scores. but it is i believe in the AOA charter that they have to make them available to you. I'll dig up the exact reference after finals (thursday).
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say ... who gives a ****. I guess school's can give you access to Q bank or maybe more time off for the boards or something, but I'm not sure how much this really correlates with success. Granted, I really don't know what I'm talking about as a pre-med, but I'm gonna guess that it comes down to the student and how hard they work for it. I know I'm not taking COMLEX pass rate into my decision making process whatsoever. If I want to pass/do well on COMLEX, then that is my responsibility. I'm not going to blame my school if I do poorly, nor am I going to pick one school that had 95% pass over one that had 93% pass.
I semi agree with you Jagger. Board scores are highly dependent on the students, but when I saw Shyrem's post about those high 70% to low 80% pass rates, it did make me wonder why some of those students didnt pass.