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What do you guys think about writing about being physically fit and into exercise (running marathons, crossfit, etc.), which lead to me losing weight as the topic of the diversity essay?

I included below a prompt from UCF and wanted to know your opinion on whether I can use an essay on fitness for this prompt (and others like it), but I am not sure if fitness and weight loss would contribute anything to my class.

Please provide a short essay to help us understand who you are. This essay should be different from your AMCAS Personal Statement. UCF COM places great value on the broad diversity of our students within the classroom. We believe the diverse characteristics of each individual in the class are important factors in serving the educational missions of this school and of our community. Please discuss any unique, personally important and/or challenging experiences in your background that have influenced your goals and preparation for a career in medicine and service to others. These may include experiences such as the quality of your early educational environment, socioeconomic status, cultural background, or other significant events or circumstances that you feel have shaped your character and defined you as an individual.We are also interested on your thoughts about what you can contribute to your class and the medical profession in general.
 
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I think it's fine. Just talk about it in terms of how it gives you a unique perspective as a doctor. You probably learned a lot about nutrition, exercise routines, how to stay motivated, balance between health and body dysmorphia-like issues, or etc. It sounds a lot related to preventative healthcare.
 

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In my mind, it depends if we're talking 5 lbs or 50+ lbs...if it's significant weight loss, I think there's a lot to be said for the prolonged willpower and dedication that takes. Kudos!
 

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Weight loss was probably a challenging experience that can make you unique.

Sounds like a great topic!
 
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As long as you can explain the challenge you overcame and how it makes you unique, I think that's perfectly fine. If anything, it's the principle of working diligently on something and achieving it that counts.

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Hey, med school and residency will cost you a LOT more!
 
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What do you guys think about writing about weight loss as the topic of the diversity essay?

I included below a prompt from UCF and wanted to know your opinion on whether I can use an essay on weight loss for this prompt (and others like it), but I am not sure if weight loss would contribute anything to my class.

Please provide a short essay to help us understand who you are. This essay should be different from your AMCAS Personal Statement. UCF COM places great value on the broad diversity of our students within the classroom. We believe the diverse characteristics of each individual in the class are important factors in serving the educational missions of this school and of our community. Please discuss any unique, personally important and/or challenging experiences in your background that have influenced your goals and preparation for a career in medicine and service to others. These may include experiences such as the quality of your early educational environment, socioeconomic status, cultural background, or other significant events or circumstances that you feel have shaped your character and defined you as an individual.We are also interested on your thoughts about what you can contribute to your class and the medical profession in general.
If you are publishing in a public forum, it will be public
 

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God, you're all so unnecessarily mean. Starting to hate SDN.
U serious brah
Not trying to be mean at all but trying to point out to anyone who publishes anything in a public forum with the hopeful plea "DO NOT QUOTE" you risk that adcoms for the school may see it and note it. I still get emails from various faculty/staff/admins at schools about comments they read on SDN about their schools. This is particularly true with the search engines and web crawlers that can seek pulbic forums for mention of the school and automatically send links back. Do you think I am doing this because I am just being snarky and just happen to pick this thread?

In other words, if you are going to publish anything in public forum for premedical/medical school, always be professional even when being critical
 
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Not trying to be mean at all but trying to point out to anyone who publishes anything in a public forum with the hopeful plea "DO NOT QUOTE" you risk that adcoms for the school may see it and note it. I still get emails from various faculty/staff/admins at schools about comments they read on SDN about their schools. This is particularly true with the search engines and web crawlers that can seek pubic forums for mention of the school and automatically send links back. Do you think I am doing this because I am just being snarky and just happen to pick this thread?

In other words, if you are going to publish anything in public forum for premedical/medical school, always be professional even when being critical
Wow, what a service you've done by showing everyone something that we already know. Sure, "you risk that adcoms for the school may see it and note it," but that risk skyrockets when there are jerks who quote your post because they can't respect a simple, polite request. Feel free to pointlessly try to defend your motives, but your post with the quoted OP violated SDN's TOS, in that it was not courteous, didn't contribute positively to the discussion, and was not on-topic. Some of SDN's stickies even suggest putting "please do not quote" at the top of your posts if you wish to remove identifying information later. More importantly, it was classless and disrespectful, and makes SDN a less enjoyable and safe place for people to use as a resource.
 

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Thanks. If you didn't do it, I was going to. All OP needed to do was not write "DON'T QUOTE" and everything would have been hunky dory.
 
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If you really have absolutely nothing else unique to write about then weight loss could work if you frame it correctly. It won't be something to make you stand out among the applicants, but it won't hurt you either. I'd say it's a neutral response. Although if you are a strong applicant, you should have nothing to worry about.

If it were me, I would prefer to use this weight loss anecdote for the greatest challenge prompt instead of the diversity prompt for other schools.

search engines and web crawlers that can seek pubic forums
Uh... You might want to fix that typo
 
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This thread and the other thread where people posted about sensitive issues and asked not to quote just make me sad. These types of posts are few and far between enough that they don't really make a difference in the amount of information available on SDN. The hostility/bad feelings of quoting someone who asked not to seem to override any benefits, imo.
 

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Wow, what a service you've done by showing everyone something that we already know. Sure, "you risk that adcoms for the school may see it and note it," but that risk skyrockets when there are jerks who quote your post because they can't respect a simple, polite request. Feel free to pointlessly try to defend your motives, but your post with the quoted OP violated SDN's TOS, in that it was not courteous, didn't contribute positively to the discussion, and was not on-topic. Some of SDN's stickies even suggest putting "please do not quote" at the top of your posts if you wish to remove identifying information later. More importantly, it was classless and disrespectful, and makes SDN a less enjoyable and safe place for people to use as a resource.
Actually that risk stayed constant because web caches exist

I dont even know why you guys are upset. All the guy did was repost the prompt from a secondary and asked about an essay topic
 

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Actually that risk stayed constant because web caches exist

I dont even know why you guys are upset. All the guy did was repost the prompt from a secondary and asked about an essay topic
I got a question about it which was solely noted because of the "dont quote"
 
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Good luck. Hopefully hearing things that you are told bluntly won't cause you to get so upset that you just leave... because there will be alot of that in your future in medicine.
My skin's plenty thick and I handle criticism plenty well, I just don't like when people are assholes to other people. Couldn't care less how people treat me.
 

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My skin's plenty thick and I handle criticism plenty well, I just don't like when people are assholes to other people. Couldn't care less how people treat me.
He wasn't being one, though. Some people may not really realize that it could be saved on the internet forever even if they come back to edit it later. @gonnif speaks from experience.
 
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Wow, what a service you've done by showing everyone something that we already know. Sure, "you risk that adcoms for the school may see it and note it," but that risk skyrockets when there are jerks who quote your post because they can't respect a simple, polite request.
Risk existed when the school was mentioned and was noted primarily because of the "do not quote" comment that raised an eyebrow at a school
Feel free to pointlessly try to defend your motives, but your post with the quoted OP violated SDN's TOS, in that it was not courteous, didn't contribute positively to the discussion, and was not on-topic.
My motives were simple, when someone asked me if they were missing something here and why are they "do not quote"
Some of SDN's stickies even suggest putting "please do not quote" at the top of your posts if you wish to remove identifying information later. More importantly, it was classless and disrespectful, and makes SDN a less enjoyable and safe place for people to use as a resource.
You are in a public forum, If you wish to not be identified dont publish in a public forum. If people find that using their own words is somehow classless and disrespectful, then I am at a loss of my own words.

The facts of life here is a school noted their named mentioned and was immediately tagged because of the "do not quote" looking for the critical or negative comment. My suggestion simply illustrates that perhaps you shouldnt bring attention to yourself if you asking something that you dont want noticed or can hide later
Unlike most every one else on here, you can find out exactly who I am and probably get my home number in all of 2 seconds.
 

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Anyone with a single neuron understands that posts can be saved on the internet forever even if they come back to edit it later.
Wanna bet?


http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/is-hiding-your-social-media-necessary.1195790/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/has-social-media-ever-doomed-a-strong-applicant-in-your-experiences.1134926/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/how-deep-do-medical-schools-search-an-applicant-personally.1066684/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/is-this-true-about-premed-forums.1198242/

Assume all social media may be searched and seen by Adcoms so always be professional. One of the admission directors at a particular school is doing her doctorate in social media and medical student selection. Some medical schools have added an internet background search step usually post-interview, per-selection as due diligence to find any obvious issue. With automation and some software this is easy to do

This is a much larger issue for medical residents in applicant selection with many medical specialty academies and GME (residency) programs issue guidelines and, in some cases, strict agreements on social media use while in a program. The reason for this has been patients and families have started to look up doctors who are treating them. A case then was a 3rd year peds residents was treating a young girl and the next day the parents came in screaming to take that doctor away from my daughter or I will sue. Turned out the parents were freaked about a photo from a drunken frat party taken some 10 years earlier was posted on a social media site with this doctor tagged. (I will find the original case report and add it).

In the meanwhile there have been a slew of studies done on this to the point that AAMC has guidelines for applicants (first in list)
https://www.aamc.org/students/aspiring/324178/socialmediadoesnthurt.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3758042/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23139411
http://www.amednews.com/article/20121127/profession/311279999/8/
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/731175
http://www.ojphi.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2161/2026
http://jepm.seahq.net/VolXVI_IssueV_McHugh.pdf
 
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God, you're all so unnecessarily mean. Starting to hate SDN.
Not trying to be mean at all but trying to point out to anyone who publishes anything in a public forum with the hopeful plea "DO NOT QUOTE" you risk that adcoms for the school may see it and note it. I still get emails from various faculty/staff/admins at schools about comments they read on SDN about their schools. This is particularly true with the search engines and web crawlers that can seek pulbic forums for mention of the school and automatically send links back. Do you think I am doing this because I am just being snarky and just happen to pick this thread?

In other words, if you are going to publish anything in public forum for premedical/medical school, always be professional even when being critical
Wow, what a service you've done by showing everyone something that we already know. Sure, "you risk that adcoms for the school may see it and note it," but that risk skyrockets when there are jerks who quote your post because they can't respect a simple, polite request. Feel free to pointlessly try to defend your motives, but your post with the quoted OP violated SDN's TOS, in that it was not courteous, didn't contribute positively to the discussion, and was not on-topic. Some of SDN's stickies even suggest putting "please do not quote" at the top of your posts if you wish to remove identifying information later. More importantly, it was classless and disrespectful, and makes SDN a less enjoyable and safe place for people to use as a resource.
You should revisit the stickies for clarification.
 
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Wanna bet?


http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/is-hiding-your-social-media-necessary.1195790/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/has-social-media-ever-doomed-a-strong-applicant-in-your-experiences.1134926/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/how-deep-do-medical-schools-search-an-applicant-personally.1066684/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/is-this-true-about-premed-forums.1198242/

Assume all social media may be searched and seen by Adcoms so always be professional. One of the admission directors at a particular school is doing her doctorate in social media and medical student selection. Some medical schools have added an internet background search step usually post-interview, per-selection as due diligence to find any obvious issue. With automation and some software this is easy to do

This is a much larger issue for medical residents in applicant selection with many medical specialty academies and GME (residency) programs issue guidelines and, in some cases, strict agreements on social media use while in a program. The reason for this has been patients and families have started to look up doctors who are treating them. A case then was a 3rd year peds residents was treating a young girl and the next day the parents came in screaming to take that doctor away from my daughter or I will sue. Turned out the parents were freaked about a photo from a drunken frat party taken some 10 years earlier was posted on a social media site with this doctor tagged. (I will find the original case report and add it).

In the meanwhile there have been a slew of studies done on this to the point that AAMC has guidelines for applicants (first in list)
https://www.aamc.org/students/aspiring/324178/socialmediadoesnthurt.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3758042/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23139411
http://www.amednews.com/article/20121127/profession/311279999/8/
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/731175
http://www.ojphi.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2161/2026
http://jepm.seahq.net/VolXVI_IssueV_McHugh.pdf
Well thank you for the detailed answer. It's nice to see a disagreement include thought out responses and sources.
 
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I will also say this: if someone wants to ask for advice regarding something personal, they should PM the adcoms/faculty of interest. Or use Confidential Consult. Or even ask a moderator to post your WAMC thread on your behalf. So while saying "PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE" is fine and members should be kind and not quote them, they are not obligated to do so per the stickies.

So I think gonnif is unfairly being criticized for his quote even though he brings up very important points. My $0.02.
 
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I don't think any adcoms are going to employ the mad hax necessary to dig up something someone may have posted on SDN once, that they didn't want quoted. This used as justification for going ahead and quoting anyway is ridiculous.

@ThoracicGuy Even more ridiculous is the notion that the person who labels such behavior as rude or mean is somehow not cut out for medicine because they're some sensitive snowflake. It's rude, unprofessional and counterproductive for the physicians and adcom members on this forum to participate in what is essentially Burnette's Law (I think that's right?).

@WedgeDawg , could we get some help in here, because apparently some of these adults need their hands held :rolleyes:
 

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@ThoracicGuy Even more ridiculous is the notion that the person who labels such behavior as rude or mean is somehow not cut out for medicine because they're some sensitive snowflake. It's rude, unprofessional and counterproductive for the physicians and adcom members on this forum to participate in what is essentially Burnette's Law (I think that's right?).
My point was that the person who got all upset needs to realize that there will be many things that happen through med school and residency that would be much, much meaner than the post. I never said they were not cut out for medicine.
 
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in the end if the OP didnt want to let a school know about this, perhaps not putting in the the name of the school in the freakin post!
 

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Seems like the application season wears down people's patience. Been seeing a lot of negativity that wasn't as prevalent a few months back :unsure:
The season will go one for another 12 months when the last WL spots are called for
 
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If you consider that mean, how will be able to make it through med school and residency?
My point was that the person who got all upset needs to realize that there will be many things that happen through med school and residency that would be much, much meaner than the post. I never said they were not cut out for medicine.
Perhaps you should choose your words more responsibly then, because one could very honestly interpret from your post that you'd predict the quoted individual wouldn't be able to make it through training.

But I'm glad you got to make your point about how tough someone needs to be as judged by a short comment in the context of an anonymous Internet forum. Good work, only at the expense of being a poor example and potentially adding to the already heavy milieu of neuroticism and anxiety.
 
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Perhaps you should choose your words more responsibly then, because one could very honestly interpret from your post that you'd predict the quoted individual wouldn't be able to make it through training.

But I'm glad you got to make your point about how tough someone needs to be as judged by a short comment in the context of an anonymous Internet forum. Good work, only at the expense of being a poor example and potentially adding to the already heavy milieu of neuroticism and anxiety.
I'm starting to like you a lot :claps:
 
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I'm surprised Post #6 from: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/almost-at-rock-bottom…what-do-i-do.1213123/ didn't receive the same backlash as this post. Quoting that post was more revealing than quoting this diversity topic.

OP should just delete the "PLEASE DON'T QUOTE THIS" from this post and end this drama
That was even more douchey, IMO. I love how fast all wannabe troll hunters dissipated as soon as their claims actually got questioned though.