the most depressing webpage...60somthin rejections

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Very dedicated individual, think of all the money spent 🙁 🙁 Even if he had a 3.3 for undergrad, he had a 3.9 postbac, great MCAT score, volunteer, what was wrong???🙁
 
um, just a guess from the rest of his webpage, but maybe his personal statement was about how the alien voices he heard told him to become a doctor and THAT's why he didn't get in... perhaps he should try for a job with clonaid... 🙄

but yeah, i agree, that is pretty depressing. my premed advisor was telling me this story of some kid years ago who applied to every md school in the country and got rejected from all of them... and a friend of mine met a guy who also applied to every md school and only got into one! hopefully, these stories are little more than myths though... *crosses fingers*
 
it's interesting how the cornell rejection he received from 1998 was worded ver batim as the rejection i got yesterday
 
Originally posted by SilverAngel1110
and a friend of mine met a guy who also applied to every md school and only got into one!

Yeah, that sounds like me.
 
Man, thats an unbeleivable bummer. But at least the letters give you some sort of idea when the schools quick inviting for interviews.
 
Something doesn't add up, man. His resume is about fifty times better than mine, and I'm already into three schools. He's funny too, so I wouldn't think he'd be a stiff in the interviews. This process is makes no sense.
 
Aaaghhh, I dunno if i would give up after $20k and 5 yrs, I need a better explanation than those words on the letter, I might just call and well speak my mind...hey i can say whatever right 😡
 
if you read some of the rejection letters it seems that his LOR sucks. And prob his personal statement. Maybe a typical cookie cutter asian applicant.
 
he mentioned something about checking your LORs. other than that, dumb luck i guess? 🙁
 
Originally posted by johnstoner
if you read some of the rejection letters it seems that his LOR sucks. And prob his personal statement. Maybe a typical cookie cutter asian applicant.

He doesn't say if he bothered to call the schools & see what would make him a better applicant for each school. Maybe he wasn't really a "cookie cutter" but he probably didn't emphasize what was special about him as an individual. I would definitely have stopped after 2 attempts. It's stressful & time-consuming
 
The poor guy sounded like a depressed and pessimistic individual to me. I'm sure I would be the same way after getting rejected 63 times, but he did seem to make it on a few waitlists. He admitted to having poor LOR's (which he should have found out about after applying the first time, and then had new people write LOR's for him). And what seems to be a very pessimistic outlook on life was surely portrayed in his PS and also in interviews.
 
Obviously we don't know everything about this guys situation. I a few people at Wash U who have far superior stats than me who will have a hard time getting in. Why? Because they range to slightly weird to extremely creepy, and give off this vibe immediately.

This is why med schools don't admit just stats. They admit people. Granted GPA and MCAT are very important, but there are other critical factors as well.
 
Originally posted by johnstoner
if you read some of the rejection letters it seems that his LOR sucks. And prob his personal statement. Maybe a typical cookie cutter asian applicant.

whats the difference between a typical cookie-cutter asian/caucasian/black/hispanic applicant?
 
Originally posted by TeinVI
it's interesting how the cornell rejection he received from 1998 was worded ver batim as the rejection i got yesterday

Hey I got a Cornell rejection yesterday.

Oh well, they can bite my a$$ :clap:
 
Originally posted by JJNY
Hey I got a Cornell rejection yesterday tomorrow.

Oh well, they can bite my a$$ :clap:

i know it was just a simple grammar error, but that was rediculously funny for some reason i duuno why.
 
I mean't cookie cutter applicant and being asian. Like it or not being asian puts you at a disadvantage being a ORM.

But lets not turn this thread into a race argument b/c by the way i'm an asian myself....
 
it seemed to me as if he tried to apply before completing his BS degrees if you read his bio.. plus he is now 36 and would have been 31 at the time of his last application; that might not have helpful. and if he is an Oregon resident, why did he bother with all the UC schools??
 
First of all.... med schools DO NOT reject applicants just because they're into the X-Files, simpsons, aliens and other "creepy" stuff.

I think it was his age and his 3.3 undergrad gpa that did him in... and perhaps LORs if they weren't good.
 
Originally posted by TeinVI
i know it was just a simple grammar error, but that was rediculously funny for some reason i duuno why.

Wow, I didn't even catch that.... probably because I'm so distraught over the Cornell rejection... :laugh:
 
Really, there could be a thousand things that caused him not to be accepted that we'll never know about. Just a few off the top of my head:

Maybe his LORs suck.
Maybe his PS sucks.
Maybe he goes into his interviews with an air of entitlement.
Maybe he applies late every year.
Maybe he let his MCAT scores lapse (older than 3 years).
Maybe he doesn't spell check his application essays.
Maybe his applications aren't neat and tidy.
 
I wonder what would have happened had he applied to DO school? Anybody here actually email this guy?😕
 
I seriously doubt age was a factor. I'm 38 and have been accepted by two schools.
I wonder how well he interviews? Many times it's the interview than can make or break an acceptance.
 
Originally posted by relatively prime

I think it was his age and his 3.3 undergrad gpa that did him in... and perhaps LORs if they weren't good.

His age? Are you serious you think that the guy was rejected from all these schools because of his age? You gotta be kiddin me. You immediately reject the notion he was "creepy" and say it was his age. I'm shocked at the ageism that abounds on SDN. Don't you people realize who is amongst you? Remember you never know someone's true story.
 
Originally posted by wolferman
Really, there could be a thousand things that caused him not to be accepted that we'll never know about. Just a few off the top of my head:

Maybe his LORs suck.
Maybe his PS sucks.
Maybe he goes into his interviews with an air of entitlement.
Maybe he applies late every year.
Maybe he let his MCAT scores lapse (older than 3 years).
Maybe he doesn't spell check his application essays.
Maybe his applications aren't neat and tidy.


Maybe he has a history of mental illness
Maybe he has a criminal record
Maybe he is bullshi#&ing and making it up
Maybe we are worrying about someone else too much
Maybe the person who said he was too old or his gpa was too low is a *****
Maybe he wore a dress to all of the interviews
Maybe he had a severe drooling problem and showering was against his religion

and the list could go on.........
 
Originally posted by TeinVI
it's interesting how the cornell rejection he received from 1998 was worded ver batim as the rejection i got yesterday

lol so much for innovation
 
Could it be that he has problems getting accepted due to he not being a US citizen (he referred to a H1 visa)? US citizens have a difficult time getting accepted to med school as it is... I am sure that a non-US citizen would have an especially difficult time.
 
Originally posted by conure
His age? Are you serious you think that the guy was rejected from all these schools because of his age? You gotta be kiddin me. You immediately reject the notion he was "creepy" and say it was his age. I'm shocked at the ageism that abounds on SDN. Don't you people realize who is amongst you? Remember you never know someone's true story.
wow, someone is a little touchy! I never siad that he did not get in b/c of his age. I know people several years older who have gotten into great schools. However being in your mid-30s IS a disadvabtage to medical school appicants. I thonk hos age was just one of several factors (including hos low end gpa) that contributed to his lack of success. Also, as someone already mentioned, not being a US citizen is a huge disadvantage.

I thi nk someone is a little insecure about his age.
 
Just wondering: How are you able to figure out that this guy has a low GPA, low MCATs, or poor LORs?

Maybe I just didn't read his whole page carefully...
 
I thought if you have above a 35 (I think he had a 36) MCAT then you are golden. Despite his undergrad GPA which isn't that low and that is the GPA that I am aiming for, I would think that he would have better luck. However, he isn't a citizen, he's asian, usually asians mean GPA is around 3.7, and he probably applied late or something that could be the reason for him not succeeding.
 
Maybe his attitude came through in his letters and interviews. How many jobs did he quit because they weren't good enough for him?

I read his website. He didn't sound like someone I would want to have as my doc. I'm not talking about scores or GPA's or any of those numbers. He sounds very self-involved and negative, 63 rejections aside.

Who keeps applying and doesn't seek some serious explanations after the first round? He may have been repeating the same mistakes every year.

Don't let the turkeys get you down!
 
I just read his website and sorta fell in love with him. 😍 He is so persistant, but I don't think he was whining. He doesn't really blame anyone for his dumb luck and it sounds like he didn't modify his quirkiness for the sake of adcoms. I hope he finds happiness somewhere. . .
 
Hello all. I'm the guy with the web page of rejection letters. I see that there is a lot of speculation regarding my background and abilities, and some fairly cruel comments such as:

"He sounds very self-involved and negative, 63 rejections aside.

Who keeps applying and doesn't seek some serious explanations after the first round? He may have been repeating the same mistakes every year.

Don't let the turkeys get you down!"

Hmm. What a turkey.

Anyway, web sites were supposed to be self-absorbed when I actually put them up several years ago. They're really just filler content so I can play with apache, and they were probably updated when some of you were in middle school. 🙂

For all my trouble, I was on two wait lists long enough for classes to start before receiving the rejection letters, and I had a total of four interviews. Each time I wasn't rejected outright, I called the admissions committee to find out why I didn't get in. I don't know how to put this, but I was always told, "I don't know." I was told the generic things I could do to improve my application but I was also told they saw nothing wrong with my application, and nothing was missing. More than once I was told outright that there was no reason I shouldn't have been admitted, and they started fishing for reasons.

As far as timing goes, I did the best when I applied a week into the process. I don't know if that counts as late.

I found out several of my letters of recommendation were lost by Portland State University between my third and fourth application years. I found that out when I was on a wait list, a month before classes were scheduled to begin.

That was quite discouraging, as was the, "You ever think about becoming an X-Ray Tech?" comment from OHSU.

As far as citizenship status goes, some of you need to improve your critical reading skills. I was born in Portland, Oregon in 1964, when being born here was all you needed to become a citizen. I'm also an Eagle Scout, etc, etc.

Oh, and before you all think I'm sitting around reading the forum, let me tell you how I found it: I received two inspirational emails regarding my page, thought it was more than a coincidence, and I checked my server logs.

Good luck to all of you, and remember your patients are real people and you should treat them with more respect than you treat anonymous web page authors on this forum. I take all this with a grain of salt (at this time of year you're most likely chewing your nails and waiting for the fat envelope) but someone sick usually isn't as well-humored.

Todd

P.S. If you have any direct questions, don't just speculate: email me and ask.
 
Todd, let me be the first to say that I am very sorry for your bad luck.

Some people here just want to find faults in your application, but I think it shows persistence to apply so many times.

My only question is this. Why did you give up your dream? What ultimately made you realize that you were not going to get in?
 
I was baffled by htod's situation too and thought about it a while.
I think it may be:
1) that he was given a good education in engineering at a very prestigious school (MIT)but didnt want to stick with it as a profession and seem to change jobs very frequently so maybe the ad coms figured he would change his mind halfway thru med school.
I dont know but my guess is that even over brains (which he has in abundance)they are looking for someone with a lot of resolution and persistence who wont quit if things get tough.
His combo of very high MCAT with soso grades maybe reinforced an image of a moody genius or an underachiever. Med schools spend so much on schooling each student they do not want or need to take a chance on someone whomight quit and decide to go back to engineering or whatever strikes his fancy.

2)His MCAT is so high that some average schools prolly didnt accept him on the grounds that he would almost certainly be accepted by an Ivy school and thus ruin their matriculation statistics.

3)Bad luck. People dont like to think this process is a crapshoot(we'd all like to have some control over our destinies) but there is overwhelming evidence that it is
🙁
TO htod-- please do not think this was meant to be hurtful. You sound like a pretty remarkable guy and you are my homie coming from Oregon. All I'm doing is trying to analyze what the ad coms might have thought--this is not what I think! If I was on an adcom after your persistence (shown by yrs of applying) Id have said "he's going to stick this out and with his super intelligence he'll get thru med school and make a fine physician!" In fact I dont think you should give up even now. There is a great site called something like olderpremedstudents.com (not sure of this name) that will give you great encouragement and lots of ideas on how to get to ur dream.:clap:
 
Dear Todd--Im not the worlds expert on this but I still think that you should reapply--(tho maybe a little more selectively to save money) if you still want to be a physician. 36yrs is not too old and your post bac gpa shows great improvement so your GPAis not too low IMO. Most applicants would give almost anything to have your mcat score.
BTW the correct address is-- www.OldPreMeds.org

Hope you dont give up, Todd, as a fellow Oregonian Im rooting for you:clap: 🙂
 
One thing to mention-- Schools can see where you have applied to. When people apply to tons and tons of schools with the thought that "I'll get into one of them at least" Schools see that. They are less likely to take even a stellar applicant if it seems like he or she doesn't really care about going to their school, which is made obvious when a person applies to everywhere in sight. Sometimes limiting your applications every year is helpful.
 
Originally posted by Mylaina
One thing to mention-- Schools can see where you have applied to. When people apply to tons and tons of schools with the thought that "I'll get into one of them at least" Schools see that. They are less likely to take even a stellar applicant if it seems like he or she doesn't really care about going to their school, which is made obvious when a person applies to everywhere in sight. Sometimes limiting your applications every year is helpful.

I thought AMCAS was not supposed to share your info about other apps until late April. I will check the website, but can anyone confirm this off the top of their head?
 
AMCAS is not allowed to released information to a school regarding your application to other med schools. The only thing of that sort that they do release is a list of where each applicant has been accepted, and that's not until after May 15. Beforehand, the schools would have to actually do a good amount of digging to find out where else you have applied.
 
Thanks! (However as an applicant to MD/PhD programs-I have noticed that some of the schools know some of the other places I have applied to. I am assuming those programs have a small enough applicant pool that they can chat about us).
 
I was under the impression that all of the schools that you sent AMCAS to was on the AMCAS applicantion that is sent to all of the schools. I might be wrong, but when you print out the AMCAS application off the computer (at least last year) there was a list of schools that you applied to at the end.
 
Originally posted by Mylaina
I was under the impression that all of the schools that you sent AMCAS to was on the AMCAS applicantion that is sent to all of the schools. I might be wrong, but when you print out the AMCAS application off the computer (at least last year) there was a list of schools that you applied to at the end.

That list of schools that you applied to is only available when you yourself access the application. After you submit your application to AMCAS and they process it, they do not include that list of schools in your application when they transmit it to each school. I think that is in the AMCAS policies or whatever fine print they have on the aamc site. Hehe, last year when you applied you were lucky that the schools actually got your AMCAS application at all, let alone saw where else you applied. 😛
 
I think Dr. Chooch might be right. 🙂 Sorry for any confusion or panic! 🙂
 
Originally posted by Dr Chooch
Hey baby, wanna dance? 😉

Ah yes, they always come back for more.... ;-)
 
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