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The Nature of Prestige in Medicine

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by armorshell, Apr 8, 2007.

  1. armorshell

    armorshell One Man Freak Show Dentist Physician Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

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    So, being a denizen of the dental forums, I am constantly barraged with threads asking "D.D.S or M.D.", and one of the most common cited reason for pursuing medicine is "Prestige."

    Before you completely freak out, realize that I to some extent understand the motivation behind this idea, but I can't get my brain wrapped completely around it.

    So my question is, when you made your choice to pursue medicine, was "prestige" a factor? What does the "prestige" factor mean to you?
     
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  3. Instatewaiter

    Instatewaiter But... there's a troponin 10+ Year Member

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    Honestly I feel like anyone who says prestige or money did not play a factor in their decision is lying to themselves.

    I think prestige, money, helping people, a challanging job, a constantly changing job, job security, job portability, interest in the field, and to be honest, family pressure, all played a role in my decision.

    I think the prestige factor means when you say "I'm a doctor" people are impressed. This even happens when I say I a med student. Of course the wow factor usually comes after they ask how long I have left including residency.
     
  4. pennybridge

    pennybridge Banned Banned

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    I watched that movie, The Prestige, last night.

    I wasn't expecting much but it had Batman AND Wolverine in it.


    It was really good.

    as for your question, yes, an important factor in deciding to go into medicine was indeed having the ability to make fun of dentists.
     
  5. baylormed

    baylormed On the Search 5+ Year Member

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    Right behind you
    I watched it too. It was an interesting movie. :thumbup:
     
  6. armorshell

    armorshell One Man Freak Show Dentist Physician Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

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    That dialogue always ends as a draw though, and usually involves copious amounts of lying and exaggeration from both sides :D
     
  7. pennybridge

    pennybridge Banned Banned

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    no. no it doesn't. I mean, nothing personal, but I've never heard of a physician tell some girl in a bar "yeah, I'm a dentist"
     
  8. armorshell

    armorshell One Man Freak Show Dentist Physician Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

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    Ah, the classic "Girl in a bar argument." Constantly used, and usually to little effect.

    Personally, I don't need to try and stun my prey with my profession, I usually just buy them drinks and let my impeccable wit take the day [/sarcasm]

    Using prestige in an argument of this type usually doesn't work too well either, considering that prestige is usually the last thing on a dentists mind :laugh:
     
  9. diagnodent

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    "Yeah, I'm a dentist and only 30. Would you like to go home with me to my million dollar home in my new porsche."

    I have friends who are dentists who have used this line, but never a MD b/c it isn't possible.
     
  10. Dr Durden

    Dr Durden 10+ Year Member

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    The Dirty South
    :hijacked:
     
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  12. PhotoMD

    PhotoMD Rad! 5+ Year Member

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    I never understood why dentistry is a separate path from medicine. Why do psychiatrists go to medical school and dentists go to dental school? I think it must be a historical thing. I would think the reason many of us go into medicine instead of dentistry is the same reason we do medicine instead of journalism. It just happens to interest us more.
     
  13. armorshell

    armorshell One Man Freak Show Dentist Physician Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

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    It is historical. Way back when dentists decided to integrate with academia, they went to several medical schools and were rejected across the board. So, they developed their own curricula.
     
  14. pennybridge

    pennybridge Banned Banned

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    hey you started the thread buddy. Doctors and Dentists don't get to choose what is "prestigious," girls at bars do.

    maybe because there's very little medicine involved in scraping **** off of teeth.

    and besides, you should be happy dentists don't have to go to medical school, because 90% of your dental class would never make it through the application process in the first place.
     
  15. armorshell

    armorshell One Man Freak Show Dentist Physician Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

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    Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night buddy :laugh:
     
  16. pennybridge

    pennybridge Banned Banned

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    your mom? :eek:
     
  17. armorshell

    armorshell One Man Freak Show Dentist Physician Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

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    Since we're drawing from the "third grade insults" bag of tricks:

    I'm rubber, you're glue. :cool:
     
  18. PEN15

    PEN15 Member 5+ Year Member

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    ouch.
     
  19. Green Pirate

    Green Pirate Neurotic Neuro Enthusiast 5+ Year Member

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    I want to become a physician because I have a personal vendetta against evolution
     
  20. baylormed

    baylormed On the Search 5+ Year Member

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    Right behind you
    Hahah. Let's show natural selection who's really in charge!

    It just means it's going to take another course.
     
  21. bsmcga0

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    hmm, girls seem impressed when they find out I am doing an orthodontic residency, and have a MS in electrical engineering, but none of this really matters as they hang on my 18 inch arms, and then go back to my place and see my boxing medals, but maybe you need your job to get girls
     
  22. pennybridge

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    I figured I should keep the language simple enough for a dentist to understand.
     
  23. Salta07

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    Instead of prestige, I have always simply accepted that physicians work in the most respected profession in America. Respect can be easier measured, and has been in national surveys, than "prestige." Simple fact- medicine is not only more respected than dentistry, it is the most respected profession period.
     
  24. Green Pirate

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    For reasons as to why I have a personal vendetta against evolution, refer to the inordinate number of posts in this thread that seem to have been written by testosterone.
     
  25. pennybridge

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    are they hoping you'll protect them from saber-toothed tigers or something? Kill a mastodon for dinner?

    We have guns now. And fire. But kudos that you have time to sculpt your "guns" in between gluing **** to kids' teeth. The fact that you can even do your job after sustaining repeated head trauma is not helping your case, Rocky.
     
  26. mechie

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    Prestige, respect, what's the difference?
     
  27. apnea

    apnea Forgot the safe word... 2+ Year Member

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    Definitely. i love medicine, i'd never commit this much of myself to something i wasn't absolutely captivated by...but i could be a NP, i could be a PA...nope. i want the MD behind my name.

    Also, my father is a dentist. He hates doctors. And he hates me. So i'm going to do him a favor and let him focus on one select group of people instead of making him divide his attention.







    PS :barf:
     
  28. pennybridge

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    well that's healthy.
     
  29. Samosas

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    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

    true that.
     
  30. apnea

    apnea Forgot the safe word... 2+ Year Member

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    Yeah...something about costing him a ton of money when i wouldn't marry the guy he picked out for me.
     
  31. pennybridge

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    Indian?
     
  32. apnea

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    Snob, actually... :rolleyes:

    Really, you'd think so...but i'm a pasty white girl born in Arkansas. my father is from Germany, but that's definitely not the norm over there either.
     
  33. armorshell

    armorshell One Man Freak Show Dentist Physician Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

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    I'm beginning to see the whole picture here. So, for you, going into medicine was the career equivalent of buying a porsche and jamming a balled up sock down your pants? Is this some odd presentation of short man's disease?
     
  34. pennybridge

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    you should start dating some bad assed biker guy and tell your dad you're going to medical school to finance your boyfriend's meth habit. Sure he's a deadbeat, but awesome in bed.

    oh and nothing says "thanks dad" like tattoo of a skull with a dagger going through it, with a serpent coming out of one eye socket, wrapping around the dagger and then sticking its tongue out to your nipple....


    man I have to stop drinking before dinner.
     
  35. armorshell

    armorshell One Man Freak Show Dentist Physician Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

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    Remember, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.
     
  36. DoctaJay

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    I was drawn to medicine at first because of the sciences like Anatomy and Neurophysiology. Then I got to learn more about the field and did some shadowing and I was drawn even more to medicine by shadowing. It was there that I began to think that doctors were just cool people who could handle things that would make some marines hurl. All the other stuff like money, girls (for some), etc. are nice, but they are just nice extras that come along with a really cool field.

    I didn't "not" choose dentistry becaues of the lack of prestige. You just have to really really like teeth to go into dentistry, and my hat is off to those that do, but I certainly don't. If you look at the money aspect though, dentist's salaries piss on alot of physician salaries; they do alot of procedures and their malpractice is nice. But you have to like teeth, and I certainly don't.
     
  37. pennybridge

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    you tell me. You came to pre-allo to start a thread about prestige in relation to medicine vs. dentistry.


    i'm going into medicine so I can cut people, my motivations have nothing to do with adding to or detracting from the prestige gap medicine has over dentistry.


    For example, I didn't make this joke:

    What do you call someone who drops out of medical school?

    A dentist!!


    go ahead and try to tell it the other way around, it's not funny.

    prestige is not determined by the upper 1% of teh population, it's decided by the lower 99%

    Not my problem.

    Why you're still in our forum, on the otherhand, completely your problem.
     
  38. apnea

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    noooo don't, this is hilarious ;)

    Actually, i just don't talk to him. He's a dentist, and i have two oral piercings. i got them because i wanted them, but every time i look at them i think "Dad would freak." And i giggle a little.

    But he also doesn't know about them...because i'm too chicken****. They're both two years old now. i'm not as cool a customer as i pretend to be :scared:
     
  39. armorshell

    armorshell One Man Freak Show Dentist Physician Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

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    I wanted to ask about prestige as a motivator in general, you decided to make it a dick measuring contest between medicine and dentistry. If I had known that was going to happen I wouldn't have even mentioned my dental background in the first place :rolleyes:
     
  40. bsmcga0

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    I was also accepted to med school, but after making 6+ figures it was tough to go back to school, my boxing coach is a MD by the way, an anesthesiologist, and he had more fights than me
    so I chose dentistry because of the residency, now I am doing a residency that doesn't pay, life is a b*tch that way :)

    plus you must consider gold gloves wear helmets, they help more than you would think
     
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    Yes. I chose medicine because it is the most prestigious profession out there.. I am sure an engineer also chose his profession because of the lack of prestige in engineering. No wonder, Francis crick is jealous of all MDs cos he does a non-prestigious job.


    How does this thread make sense to anybody. If you've ever attempted any important thing in your life, you will realize that prestige and/or money play no role in why people chose medicine.

    Medicine...prestige...DDS...MD...factor -------Nonsense!





    AW.
     
  42. apnea

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    Honestly, though, i think the worst thing i could do is just tell him i'm a lesbian. That'd freak him right out.
     
  43. pennybridge

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    a perennial classic, to be sure.


    but make sure to bring your "girlfriend" to make it extra believable....and make out with her.....


    ...and videotape it....:idea:
     
  44. armorshell

    armorshell One Man Freak Show Dentist Physician Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

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    Maybe you should read my original post again.
     
  45. apnea

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    ...and that's how i'll pay for med school ;)

    but...i should probably mention for the record that i am NOT a lesbian. No matter how much i enjoy looking at naked ladies [​IMG]
     
  46. SupergreenMnM

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    *rushes to get apnea his phone number and address*

    :banana:
     
  47. etf

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    hey prestige is one of the reasons i'm trying to get into medicine. not the only reason, or even a main reason, but it is important to me.
     
  48. armorshell

    armorshell One Man Freak Show Dentist Physician Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

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    I understand that, but why? What is it about prestige that makes you need it in your profession?
     
  49. arsenewenger

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    That is why the god of medicine are blocking your attempts.
     
  50. PhotoMD

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    This thread is a pretty sad commentary on medicine.
     
  51. GreyFox2002

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    Hate to break it to ya guys, but medicine is the no. 2 profession in terms of prestige and respect.

    You know whose number one? Thats right, firefighters.
     

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