This is a moot point, really. I'm not referring to my personal experiences, I'm stating the fact that the numbers don't agree with what is being said (because there are a lack of numbers/facts in general, so concluding things is worthless). Yes, it has a very,
very marginal influence. It's a 'benefit of the doubt' situation that won't 'fix' GPAs. If you underperform, your school isn't picking it up for you. That's what
LizzyM was saying, not that it's going to pick your butt off the ground in the selection process. Maybe LizzyM will correct me if I'm wrong, but I imagine she shakes her head when people misconstrue and quote out of context what she's said on this forum.
I already addressed this as well. This is to be expected.
What schools have you interviewed at? Generally, at top tier schools you're going to run into a lot of bigger names. This is simply because better schools
generally have better applicants, as well as more of them. This is self selection from the admissions process for undergraduate programs, not because the undergraduate name gets them the interview spot. My upper tier school interviews I was the only person from a 'no name' school, I believe I ran into one other person from an unknown state school/LAC college. However, at my lower school interviews I ran into a lot of LAC/state schoolers. Like I said in my last post, it's a numbers game. It's not about the undergraduate program itself, just the people that the undergraduate program attracts. The OP is arguing that the ADCOMS actually care about what undergraduate program you attend, which is true on a minor scale, but nothing game changing by any means.
Just look at the school lists for the most applicants:
https://www.aamc.org/download/161116/data/table2-7.pdf
Don't see many small state/LACs on there do you? It's because they don't have that many applicants. Their applicants are also
generally not as highly qualified (MCAT) because those students were selected away from when picking undergrads. However, if a qualified applicant for undergrad chooses by their own will to go to a small LAC/state school for other reasons than prestige (money, family, friends, etc) then the small LAC/state school may receive one of those 'super applicants' that the big name schools usually pick up. In the end, it's going to come down to how the applicant does on their GPA, MCAT, and ECs, regardless of institution. If that student pulls off a 90th percentile + MCAT, which they're capable of, they will have no problem going wherever they want. However, even at this stage, if that applicant chose a smaller school for undergrad even though they were overqualified, there's a good chance they might want to stay local again or go to a certain school rather than apply and go to that big Ivy League school.
There's just so many confounding variables that saying anecdotal evidence like that is proof is frankly arrogant. Do you honestly think someone should be punished for choosing a personally more appealing school even though they're plenty capable to? Absolutely not.
The only way you could prove otherwise is data. If you have data from the AAMC showing where students from LAC/State schools (with equivalent ECs) apply to the same schools, and what their result is, and then demonstrate with a statistical significants (p < 0.05) that they are less successful in these applications, then you have an argument otherwise. If you don't, you're spreading misinformation.
And as for people citing that LizzyM said that schools care about your UG - Yes, she said something along those lines. But it wasn't the dramatic examples people are stating. She's saying that if there's a
marginal difference in GPA, engineering majors and "big name" students get the benefit of the doubt. This doesn't mean your 3.3 GPA is still competitive for a top tier institution even with a 35 MCAT, like people are implying. It's not that big of a factor. Just because you attended a big name institution, if a LAC/State schooler student has a 3.9 GPA and a 36 MCAT, they're going to get looked at before the Ivy Leaguer with a 3.3 GPA and a 36 MCAT. It's how the process works.
And finally, like I said, my school, while
generally easier, had several classes that were more difficult than the most difficult ones I took at a top 5. Don't feel entitled and smarter because of your UG, that's not how it works. It's also why top schools get that 'pompous dbag' stereotype, so don't spread it.
This. This. This.
Yes, I know you guys all saw big names at your interviews. So did I. There is always a lot of intrigue "Oooo, what school do you go to? What's that?" whenever I interview. I enjoy it. But it's not because AdComs select
schools over each other, they select
applicants over others. It's a simple fact that big name schools tend to put out better applicants. It has nothing to do with AdComs selecting towards the undergraduate program, just simply the people with the best numbers and experiences.
Check out that link farther up in my post again. See all those big name schools with all those applicants? Now factor in the fact that there's a higher proportion of intelligent, motivated persons at these schools that there are at small state/LAC schools. Obviously you're going to see a much higher proportion of these applicants, but that's not the AdComs favoring one UG over the other.
I don't know how many times I'll have to reiterate that but clearly
ad nauseam, As a person that really loves statistics, all you premeds with such little critical thought and statistical analysis capability is making me very sad. I'm stating a very logical concept...