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There's gotta be some 25-27's that got in this year

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by shanet74, Jun 7, 2002.

  1. shanet74

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    I just want to hear from those people who have recieved a 25-27 on the MCAT and gotten into medical school...Can it be done? :confused:
     
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    My friend got a 23 with a GPA of 3.1. She got in this year. She actually had four acceptances, Howard, Moorehouse SP?, University of SC, and Medical University of SC. None of those schools are Harvard, but hell. She chose MUSC and got a pretty nice scholarship too.
    Good Luck.
     
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    i got a 25. one interview at penn state. accepted at DO school
     
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    There is a girl on here who got a 22 or 23 and got in through the early decision program.
     
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    sure there are, but are their stats the exact same as yours? Are their ec's the same?

    I doubt it.
     
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    Every year, Arizona does a reapplicant seminar during the spring for students who have not been accepted yet. They show the stats for their entering class; for example, they show a graph relating MCAT scores and the number of people with that score who were accepted, rejected and waitlisted. This year someone with a average score of 5 got in. I am 100% serious, someone who earned a 15 got into U of A. I did not attend the seminar, but some of my friends did, and I saw the graph afterwards. Having said that, this person must have had one HELL of an application otherwise.
     
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    I truly intend no disrespect but why attempt to rationalize not re-taking the MCAT by finding the extremely few who get into to medical school (not DO) with scores (< 27). As much at it sucks, wouldn't it be better to focus your energies into retaking the test and improving your score such that you help yourself have an excellent chance??

    Geez... I sound like my parents. :)
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by The Fly:
    <strong>I truly intend no disrespect but why attempt to rationalize not re-taking the MCAT by finding the extremely few who get into to medical school (not DO) with scores (&lt; 27). As much at it sucks, wouldn't it be better to focus your energies into retaking the test and improving your score such that you help yourself have an excellent chance??

    Geez... I sound like my parents. :) </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah but the above examples give hope to someone who has taken the mcat more than twice and their scores are exactly pushing the 30 mark. I know a girl who took it twice and got a 16 (1st try) and a 23(2nd try)....it will take a tremedous amount of energy for her to hit 30+ (not to say it's not possible). But luckily she got in this year with her 23. So no MCAT for her.
     
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    Again, I am really not particularly judgmental, but it would seem that someone who can barely break the twenty mark (on their second try; assuming they studied prudently) is arguably not cut out for medicine. . . just my $0.02 :)
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by The Fly:
    <strong>Again, I am really not particularly judgmental, but it would seem that someone who can barely break the twenty mark (on their second try; assuming they studied prudently) is arguably not cut out for medicine. . . just my $0.02 :) </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This statement is NOT right. Talk about judgmental. Medicine is an art and because you have 40 mcat doesn't mean you can master that art better(you might get into better schools) than someone with a 20 score. I am not even going to go there with you :mad: .
     
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    i agree with bush baby!!! Taking the MCAT is an art in itself, there are plenty of excellent doctors around the world whose education system does not require them to take a standardized test like this, i they are great! And their career paths are not necessarily easier than in the US (i'm not talking about Caribean or Guadalajara).
     
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    If have a 25-27 and really think it's your limit, then you should really do hell of a lot to improve the other aspects of your application just to distinguish yourself from the others. I know through personal experience that a top school would take someone with a 32 and awesome EC's than someone with a 38 and few activities. I don't know if this applies to sub-30's as well. I'm not saying this to deflate your optimism, but you should very hard on your GPA, volunteer activities, etc, starting from today. If I (an Asian-American with the generic shadowing and research experiences) gets a 27, I would have a very slim chance anywhere. If you're an URM, then that's another story.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BushBaby:
    <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by The Fly:
    <strong>Again, I am really not particularly judgmental, but it would seem that someone who can barely break the twenty mark (on their second try; assuming they studied prudently) is arguably not cut out for medicine. . . just my $0.02 :) </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This statement is NOT right. Talk about judgmental. Medicine is an art and because you have 40 mcat doesn't mean you can master that art better(you might get into better schools) than someone with a 20 score. I am not even going to go there with you :mad: .</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">True it is an art. However, the MCAT is designed to test how well prepared a person is to enter medical curriculum. Scores that low tell me that this person has not gotten enough out of their undergraduated/premedical training. They need to spend some more time mastering the basic sciences that will be built upon in the following 2 years of Med School.
     
  15. Doc AdamK in 2006

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    I got a 28 but I was all over the board. I got in!

    V 7 PS 9 BS 12

    That 7 is really fu#%ing me up.

    AK
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BushBaby:
    <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by The Fly:
    <strong>Again, I am really not particularly judgmental, but it would seem that someone who can barely break the twenty mark (on their second try; assuming they studied prudently) is arguably not cut out for medicine. . . just my $0.02 :) </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This statement is NOT right. Talk about judgmental. Medicine is an art and because you have 40 mcat doesn't mean you can master that art better(you might get into better schools) than someone with a 20 score. I am not even going to go there with you :mad: .</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Um... there are many who would disagree. There may be "an art" to medicine... but it also requires a lot of intelligence, diligence, patience, and KNOWLEDGE. No one is saying that you have to have awesome MCAT scores to be a great doctor. However, I believe and I think many people would agree (even if they don't want to say it) that if you can't (after trying twice) break a 22... then you will have a very hard time in medical school.
     
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    Doc Adam, what prep materials did you use to prepare for bio section?
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by docuw:
    <strong>True it is an art. However, the MCAT is designed to test how well prepared a person is to enter medical curriculum. Scores that low tell me that this person has not gotten enough out of their undergraduated/premedical training. They need to spend some more time mastering the basic sciences that will be built upon in the following 2 years of Med School.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Some people are terribly standardized test takers about that. That's why I don't agree totally with mcat scoring.....there are people with above 3.6gpa who can't measure up on the mcat. Are you saying that they didn't master the basic sciences in their course work?
    I did honors english in HS(also AP) and college( I even tutored english) but you should have seen how my ass froze up on the verbal section of the mcat. I got a stupid 6 (the first time around).
    I didn't need more time mastering english, I just needed more time mastering how to work out the boring as hell verbal sections of the mcat.
     
  19. Doc AdamK in 2006

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    Well I started out at a 2 in Verbal for the PR diag. Don't worry I can read. Really bad anxiety on Verbal.

    For Bio i started at a 6 for Bio.

    I have to give credit to my previous courses and teachers. The course that helped the most was an 8 credit Human Physiology. On the Diags I was getting 23 to 24 correct out of 25 questions for the Physiology questions. And I was an A+ student in Orgo. So I always got those questions right

    But the Princeton Review course was another big reason. Their materials were the best. I just focussed on what I was getting wrong and I completed every single pasage in the science workbook. After answering the questions my study partner (JP HAZELTON: SDN) picked apart every answer if we got it wrong or not. We spent about 30 hours/ week for 5 weeks before the MCAT.

    AK
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BushBaby:
    <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by docuw:
    <strong>True it is an art. However, the MCAT is designed to test how well prepared a person is to enter medical curriculum. Scores that low tell me that this person has not gotten enough out of their undergraduated/premedical training. They need to spend some more time mastering the basic sciences that will be built upon in the following 2 years of Med School.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Some people are terribly standardized test takers about that. That's why I don't agree totally with mcat scoring.....there are people with above 3.6gpa who can't measure up on the mcat. Are you saying that they didn't master the basic sciences in their course work?
    I did honors english in HS(also AP) and college( I even tutored english) but you should have seen how my ass froze up on the verbal section of the mcat. I got a stupid 6 (the first time around).
    I didn't need more time mastering english, I just needed more time mastering how to work out the boring as hell verbal sections of the mcat.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wouldn't it be scary if your ass froze up during surgery? I wouldn't want to be your patient.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by brickmanli:
    <strong>Wouldn't it be scary if your ass froze up during surgery? I wouldn't want to be your patient.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That will NEVER happen because I'm not going into surgery...so there!!!!! :p
     
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    hey dudes...
    i know that my MCAT's not in the 20 range, but it barely breaks a 30. I got:

    8V
    10P
    12B
    Q

    and I got into University of Maryland and Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. Oh, and my GPA barely broke 3.5.

    This ought to give all of you hope!!!!
     
  23. The Fly

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by relatively prime:
    <strong>Um... there are many who would disagree. There may be "an art" to medicine... but it also requires a lot of intelligence, diligence, patience, and KNOWLEDGE. No one is saying that you have to have awesome MCAT scores to be a great doctor. However, I believe and I think many people would agree (even if they don't want to say it) that if you can't (after trying twice) break a 22... then you will have a very hard time in medical school.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thank you relatively prime!!

    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Posted by BushBaby:<strong>This statement is NOT right. Talk about judgmental. Medicine is an art and because you have 40 mcat doesn't mean you can master that art better(you might get into better schools) than someone with a 20 score. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">There is a huge difference between what I said and a getting a 40. . . I would never begin to dictate that you NEED to get in the thirties to be a good doc, but that is a quantam leap above someone struggling to get a twenty.

    As much as you may not want to admit it (or are just plain ignorant of the fact) students with mcat scores in the low twenties don't do very well on the USMLE --

    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">From: Koenig JA - Acad Med - 01-Oct-1998; 73(10): 1095-1096 <strong>MCAT scores alone are good predictors of medical school performance . . . and of performance on the USMLE</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">And regarding this comment:

    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bushbaby said: <strong>That's why I don't agree totally with mcat scoring . . . there are people with above 3.6gpa who can't measure up on the mcat. Are you saying that they didn't master the basic sciences in their course work? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Unfortunately, grades are less correlative with medical school performance than MCAT scores and, ironically, I seem to recall the best predictor was actually the SAT verbal section. While you may not like standardized testing (does anyone?) it is, without a doubt, more objective than grades are-- how can you compare a 3.6 at wildly different institutions, perhaps where one has rampant grade inflation? You cannot.

    To be sure, I'll be the first to admit that diligence, motivation, communication skills, study habits and other qualities such as integrity, interpersonal skills, capacity for caring, willingness to commit to lifelong learning, and a desire to serve in underserved areas are all VERY important. But when you're talking about averages, the person with a ~20 MCAT is going to have a really tough time in medical school.

    People may not be good at standardized testing but the sad fact is that medicine is FULL of standarized tests and you cannot simply say you're a bad standardized test taker and use that as justification for scoring poorly each time.

    This isn't judgment, these are averages and facts. It's just the way that it is. . . :)
     
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    Yes, there is hope for those with &lt;30 mcat scores; I have a 26 mcat and got in this yr.

    I know there is much disagreement on whether or not the MCAT scores shows who will/will not make it in med school; BUT, I share the opinion of one interviewer I had who said "MCATS are not indicative of ability to succeed in medical school." He went on to tell me about one student they accepted who only had a 21 on the MCAT and proved to be a genius. I'm not saying the MCAT means nothing, merely that it's only one part of the applicant that schools take into consideration. Since my MCATs were not stellar, I improved my application in other areas to compensate.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Doc AdamK in 2006:
    <strong>Well I started out at a 2 in Verbal for the PR diag. Don't worry I can read. Really bad anxiety on Verbal.

    For Bio i started at a 6 for Bio.

    I have to give credit to my previous courses and teachers. The course that helped the most was an 8 credit Human Physiology. On the Diags I was getting 23 to 24 correct out of 25 questions for the Physiology questions. And I was an A+ student in Orgo. So I always got those questions right

    But the Princeton Review course was another big reason. Their materials were the best. I just focussed on what I was getting wrong and I completed every single pasage in the science workbook. After answering the questions my study partner (JP HAZELTON: SDN) picked apart every answer if we got it wrong or not. We spent about 30 hours/ week for 5 weeks before the MCAT.

    AK</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">****, I got a 16 or so on my first PR diagnostic and then studied my a** off for three months -- like you doc adamk, approx 30+ hours each week for many weeks and improved my score by 18 points. The whole point of the MCAT is that time spent studying correlates very well with score (which is not to say there aren't exceptions).

    Study. Study. Study!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
     
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    The Fly ,

    I don't personally know anyone with a below 20 mcat score that got into medical school but I know a guy who got into jersey school with less than 25, he wouldn't tell me exactly what his scores were, but it doesn't matter because he graduated last year.
    Yeah yeah there are statistics out there that correlates Mcat scores with Usmle but those are just numbers. If you are really determined and work hard you can beat the odds and not turn into another statistic.

    According to what relatively prime said about those who can't break 22 having a hard time in med school- who doesn't have hard time in med school? It's tough and that's point blank. If you have a 22 and get in TRUST me you will survive. Know your strengths and weaknesses, get a group of motivated/dedicated friends and get to reading/studying. Study your ass off (with the rest of the class), pass your classes and practice taking standard exams and kick the most ass out of your boards.
    It's hard work for anyone regardless of mcat score.

    WOOHOOO MY 600th POST...... <img border="0" alt="[Clappy]" title="" src="graemlins/clappy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Clappy]" title="" src="graemlins/clappy.gif" /> I am leaving work now to pack...I am going on my long deserved vacation. Adios Amigos/Amigas. :D :D
     
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    As soon as the discussion gets passionate and juicy, you're outta here. . . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> :p

    Have fun on your vacation! :)
     
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    Wow, I never thought I'd get so many replies so soon. It is nice to hear that many of you have got in with a 25-27 MCAT. I took the MCAT last august and recieved a v9, ps8, bs8, and Q. I will be taking the MCAT again this August, and know I will improve, as last time I did not study for it, but instead relied on the fact that I had taken the core classes within the last 1-2 years prior to the test. I am currently in a Kaplan prep course, and can already tell the score will improve. I asked the initial question in hopes of testing the waters as to whether or not I should go ahead and submit my application now, and simply update my application when my new scores come out. I understand that many factors contribute to the application, however, I think that the MCAT factor is my weakest. Thanks to everyone who has replied, it is nice to hear everyone's opinion, and this is a wonderful place to interact with future colleagues. Good luck to you all in the upcoming application year.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by brickmanli:
    <strong> If I (an Asian-American with the generic shadowing and research experiences) gets a 27, I would have a very slim chance anywhere. If you're an URM, then that's another story.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hmmm, this makes me nervous..how true is this??
     
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    I was accepted to Finch/ Chicago Med with a 27P (9,9,9)

    I received 6 interviews, which resulted in one acceptance and 5 waitlists (I interviewed LATE....DO NOT APPLY LATE!!!!!!!)

    Waitlists:
    Boston U
    U Florida
    U Vermont
    Temple U
    George Washington U

    undergrad: Brandeis University
    GPA 3.67 w/ upward trend
    SGPA 3.5
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    double non-science major in Spanish and Latin American Studies
    non-URM

    some unique ECS but nothing over the top---migrant farmwoker clinic, journal research in dermatopathology, and normal stuff, lotsa volunteer hours

    Good luck everyone :)
     
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    In the old days you would have been the third person posting in this thread. Your slipping DF.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Tweetie_bird:
    <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by brickmanli:
    <strong> If I (an Asian-American with the generic shadowing and research experiences) gets a 27, I would have a very slim chance anywhere. If you're an URM, then that's another story.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hmmm, this makes me nervous..how true is this??</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Unfortunately, for non-URMs, this is very true. Unless you've intented a drug or something. . .
     
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    I only took the MCAT once and got a 26; 8V, 9B, 9P. I applied to ten schools, had interviews scheduled at seven of them. I went to three of them and got in at all three schools. I got into my top choice (OHSU!!) so I cancelled the other interviews. Granted my GPA was 3.96 but when I got my scores back, my advisor was very discouraging and told me I'd have to re-take them. Anyway, it definitely can be done.
     
  34. aka-Jalopycat

    aka-Jalopycat Junior Member
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    I got in with a 24
     

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