This is why we need to be lobbying to protect our practice rights...

[witzelsucht]

http://allnurses.com/nurse-practitioners-np/why-do-nps-839041.html

Hello all,

Just curious to all you NPs out there - why do you call your MD colleague your "boss"? I understand in most instances, you are an employee of a medical practice owned by this MD, but wouldn't colleague or something similar be a better term?

I come from a medical family - I have MDs in my family who work in clinics "owned" by another MD. They call this MD their colleague, their chief, etc. I have never one heard anyone call their practice manager/owner their "boss."

It's another minor belittling term that helps MDs keep their power over NPs. No one is your "boss" whether they own the practice or not.

I'll step off my soap box now.

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[Kaustikos]

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I don't know which bothers me more - this article, or a pre-med trolling this forum.

Either way - both should call their MD/Med Student their boss.

 

[link2swim06]

http://allnurses.com/nurse-practitioners-np/why-do-nps-839041.html

Hello all,

Just curious to all you NPs out there - why do you call your MD colleague your "boss"? I understand in most instances, you are an employee of a medical practice owned by this MD, but wouldn't colleague or something similar be a better term?

I come from a medical family - I have MDs in my family who work in clinics "owned" by another MD. They call this MD their colleague, their chief, etc. I have never one heard anyone call their practice manager/owner their "boss."

It's another minor belittling term that helps MDs keep their power over NPs. No one is your "boss" whether they own the practice or not.

I'll step off my soap box now.

What?

 

[DocVapor]

What?

The OP's thought process is so far removed from reality that it is almost amusing.

To clarify: the OP of the link.

 

[evilbooyaa]

I really like this response the best.

I guess I just have issue with calling someone a "boss" any time. I don't consider someone who pays your salary or hired you the "boss" of you, as anyone can just leave their workplace. Boss, to me, would be a slave-master relationship.

A minority of the posts for sure (another poster even reprimanded them for that thought process) but is kind of funny to me for anyone to have a thought process like that.

Real question - Why is OP (on this forum) on allnurses looking for stuff to slam NPs about? I wouldn't want a nurse (or anyone, really) looking at SDN (especially pre-allo/allo) and basing her opinion of all MDs off of those two forums. That's why these forums are here to blow off steam, probably similar to allnurses.

 

[NJDevilsFan]

MDs and RNs are two different professions with different responsibilities, nobody is "above" anyone. It's all about mutual respect and understanding. The relationship should be symbiotic.

 

[IJL]

MDs and RNs are two different professions with different responsibilities, nobody is "above" anyone. It's all about mutual respect and understanding. The relationship should be symbiotic.

Hahahaha....

 

[JourneyAgent]

I agree wih the post pointing out the bad form of snooping on a nurse forum and then making a nonsensical conclusion to another's poor thought process. That just makes us look bad. And I'm in the anti-independent practice for non-doctors camp.

In any case I don't want to be the boss of anyone or be bossed. But if somebody else is paying me that's wassup. And if I'm paying somebody else, regardless of what they prefer to call me, I can fire them if need be.

 

[Kaustikos]

I really like this response the best.



A minority of the posts for sure (another poster even reprimanded them for that thought process) but is kind of funny to me for anyone to have a thought process like that.

Real question - Why is OP (on this forum) on allnurses looking for stuff to slam NPs about? I wouldn't want a nurse (or anyone, really) looking at SDN (especially pre-allo/allo) and basing her opinion of all MDs off of those two forums. That's why these forums are here to blow off steam, probably similar to allnurses.

Those are the people who never find jobs/get fired. The people who never get raises. I've had my fair share of "superiors" whom I disliked but I always respected their superiority over myself. But I didn't completely submit to all their demands/criticism. Though, learning how to communicate your disagreement is the difference between pissing off your boss and getting a respectful agreement to your point.

MDs and RNs are two different professions with different responsibilities, nobody is "above" anyone. It's all about mutual respect and understanding. The relationship should be symbiotic.

I don't know if this was purposeful or just pure luck but you are right. Mutual respect is necessary as well as an understanding of the roles each plays in the hospital setting. If you always think you're their boss/superior, then you're going to be in a world of hurt later on. For you see, Nurses are pack-hunters. They don't just screw you over individually, they work together to make your life as miserable as possible.

 

[PrideNeverDie]

think of nurses as women

they sit around in packs and start gossiping and going on with their rationalizations (i'm a strong, independent woman; no one is the boss of me; spoiled princess etc etc.)

doctors are the men

we just ignore that ish and pat them on the head and say "awww! cute"

and to all the female MDs that have to endure this BS from nurses, welcome to being a man. check your privilege!

 

[NJDevilsFan]

Hahahaha....

Have fun in third and fourth year, you're going to be eaten alive.

 

[sylvanthus]

MDs and RNs are two different professions with different responsibilities, nobody is "above" anyone. It's all about mutual respect and understanding. The relationship should be symbiotic.

Yes, someone is "above." See what happens when you get sued in the future for a mistake someone else made that was working on your patient. Please tell me how it goes when you tell the court/lawyer that the relationship is symbiotic and so the mistake was everyone's fault. I am sure they will listen to that and sue everyone involved equally.

 

[genswim24]

Yes, someone is "above." See what happens when you get sued in the future for a mistake someone else made that was working on your patient. Please tell me how it goes when you tell the court/lawyer that the relationship is symbiotic and so the mistake was everyone's fault. I am sure they will listen to that and sue everyone involved equally.

That was my exact thought. When **** hits the fan, the doctor gets sued. No one is going to sue the nurses/PA etc. I am by no means saying to be a jerk or not appreciate what Nurses/PA's do. It's important to work well with them and always try to be nice. Good nurses can save your butt and be a huge asset. However, there is a reason why physicians have the final say on all decisions. To think the doctor is not in charge is a little naive.

 

[FutureInternist]

think of nurses as women

they sit around in packs and start gossiping and going on with their rationalizations (i'm a strong, independent woman; no one is the boss of me; spoiled princess etc etc.)

doctors are the men

we just ignore that ish and pat them on the head and say "awww! cute"

and to all the female MDs that have to endure this BS from nurses, welcome to being a man. check your privilege!

That....was.....AWESOME !!

 

[IJL]

Have fun in third and fourth year, you're going to be eaten alive.

I'm a 4th year, got along with nurses (except OB nurses) just fine.

 

[JourneyAgent]

Have fun in third and fourth year, you're going to be eaten alive.

Don't be ridiculous. There is hierarchy in medicine. Just because we as students aren't even on the pyramid's base structure doesn't mean there isn't a very real structure there. Nobody is inherently superior for being above the other, although those above are certainly free to think so, and who are those below to argue, which is the nature of hierarchy after all. Nursing unions and management structures can certainly isolate a particular doc making their job quite difficult. But a clinical directive is to be carried out or taken up with a charge nurse for very good reason to be defended or considered derelict of duty.

With a new resident vaguely more symmetrical. With a specialist attending, drone strikes on camel caravan. No argument, no dispute.

That's just wassup.

 

[NJDevilsFan]

I'm a 4th year, got along with nurses (except OB nurses) just fine.

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