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This isnt going to happen.
There are too many issues in the way including industry resistance but also patients and voters who generally like what they have.
There are also alternatives to fixing or addressing much of the issues going on today such as ending balanced billing equitably, cost controls on drugs and medical equipment, reducing costs of administrative burdens.
 
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The going from spending 3.6T a year to 2.1T a year is pretty large. You will be affected. This will altered physicians-salaries to the point where you will basically will now travel in a lower and separate sphere. Enjoyyour homes and neighbors now because you will not be able to afford it anymore.
 
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I haven't found and read all the details but looked at the plan she and Bernie co-sponsored. That had language prohibiting physicians from charging for Medicare covered services (no opt-out). That would destroy the affordable Direct Primary Care practice I just spent five years building. Over 1000 other DPCs (and their hundreds of thousands of patients) would be in the same boat.

I have no love for the insurance industry but will head overseas or just punch a clock from 9-5 at the local VA until I can retire if this goes through.
 
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I think this is a prime example of what makes ideas and agendas along the line of "Medicare For All" become so divisive and confusing: a lack of substantial explanation of program funding sources.
 

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I think this is a prime example of what makes ideas and agendas along the line of "Medicare For All" become so divisive and confusing: a lack of substantial explanation of program funding sources.
Your pocket. That's where the funding source is coming from.

Medicare for all will be a literal doubling of governmental spending. They could pilfer every cent that every billionaires has and it wouldn't be enough. That Elizabeth Warren won't say she's gonna raise everyone's taxes is dishonest under the best circumstances... At least Bernie tells the truth that he's raising everyone's taxes
 

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Republicans, conservatives and corporate democrats (indirectly) claim that free market and competition is the cure for everything and that the government is inefficient, ineffective, useless and it is incapable of doing anything right. But the moment someone suggests to add an ineffective, inefficient government option to the market pool, they get jittery because their PAY MASTERS will not be able to fleece the customers how much ever the want. Funny they call others liars!!! These idiots do not even know that fedex and ups coexist with USPS. They only difference is that fedex and ups have to earn their profit in an honest way. If the people like the public option better than private companies and that results in disappearance of private insurance companies, what’s wrong with that? These guys claim repeatedly that there are 150 million people who love their private insurance, then what they are afraid of?

 
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Oh, sweet summer child... what do you know of how bills are written?
Yes, of course I am aware of that. Health insurance companies write healthcare bills. Oil companies dictate energy policy. Wall Street takes care of finance. The only missing piece is that the criminals don’t get to write the criminal laws because they don’t have the money to buy off the corrupt politicians. But none of these prevent us from proclaiming we are the greatest democracy in the world and that we are better than everybody else.
 

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Republicans, conservatives and corporate democrats (indirectly) claim that free market and competition is the cure for everything and that the government is inefficient, ineffective, useless and it is incapable of doing anything right. But the moment someone suggests to add an ineffective, inefficient government option to the market pool, they get jittery because their PAY MASTERS will not be able to fleece the customers how much ever the want. Funny they call others liars!!! These idiots do not even know that fedex and ups coexist with USPS. They only difference is that fedex and ups have to earn their profit in an honest way. If the people like the public option better than private companies and that results in disappearance of private insurance companies, what’s wrong with that? These guys claim repeatedly that there are 150 million people who love their private insurance, then what they are afraid of?

Because Medicare can always get more money without actually raising the Medicare premium (raising general taxes or cutting funds elsewhere - or just adding to the debt), so your free market players are competing against something that can get more money without raising premiums (something they cannot do).

That's what they're afraid of.
 

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Yes, of course I am aware of that. Health insurance companies write healthcare bills. Oil companies dictate energy policy. Wall Street takes care of finance. The only missing piece is that the criminals don’t get to write the criminal laws because they don’t have the money to buy off the corrupt politicians. But none of these prevent us from proclaiming we are the greatest democracy in the world and that we are better than everybody else.
LMAO -- as if any of these things are uniquely American. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
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Because Medicare can always get more money without actually raising the Medicare premium (raising general taxes or cutting funds elsewhere - or just adding to the debt), so your free market players are competing against something that can get more money without raising premiums (something they cannot do).

That's what they're afraid of.
Because you cannot compete with tax payer and costless debt funding; it's depressing that this is beyond anyone's grasp.
 

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Republicans, conservatives and corporate democrats (indirectly) claim that free market and competition is the cure for everything and that the government is inefficient, ineffective, useless and it is incapable of doing anything right. But the moment someone suggests to add an ineffective, inefficient government option to the market pool, they get jittery because their PAY MASTERS will not be able to fleece the customers how much ever the want. Funny they call others liars!!! These idiots do not even know that fedex and ups coexist with USPS. They only difference is that fedex and ups have to earn their profit in an honest way. If the people like the public option better than private companies and that results in disappearance of private insurance companies, what’s wrong with that? These guys claim repeatedly that there are 150 million people who love their private insurance, then what they are afraid of?

Blue cross and blue shield can’t raise my taxes to cover their expenses if they don’t charge customers enough to pay their bills, the govt can. That is why the govt should not be allowed to offer a public option
 
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Blue cross and blue shield can’t raise my taxes to cover their expenses if they don’t charge customers enough to pay their bills, the govt can. That is why the govt should not be allowed to offer a public option
All other countries differ with your assessment. Blue cross blue shield raises the premium , copays, deductibles every year as much as they want. Then why is it a problem to raise the tax assuming it happens?
 

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It is not this prevalent in other countries and these are considered ILLEGAL and punishable acts. But here we have made them legal , we just call them lobbying.
Hold up -- you think rent seeking behaviors are unique to our system?
 
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All other countries differ with your assessment. Blue cross blue shield raises the premium , copays, deductibles every year as much as they want. Then why is it a problem to raise the tax assuming it happens?
Oh mercy... ignoring the practical horribly erroneous nature of your presumption, here, let me know when BC/BS has men with guns authorized to remove you from your home and placing you in jail for failure to be able to pay a premium.

...and people wonder why there is little patience with this malarkey.
 
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All other countries differ with your assessment. Blue cross blue shield raises the premium , copays, deductibles every year as much as they want. Then why is it a problem to raise the tax assuming it happens?
because BCBS can only raise the bills on their customers. Folks who are choosing to buy the services of BCBS.

The govt shouldn't be selling insurance to people because if the govt needs more money, they can (and will) just tax those who aren't even buying the service to cover the difference. That's not appropriate
 
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