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I don’t think we need cops to shut places like that down, the customers will do it
I don’t think cops get involved in cases of discrimination, they’re usually civil matters.

But overall I don’t think most people pay attention, let alone care that much to take action if they do pay attention.

Let’s take amazon for example. There’s pretty good evidence that they don’t treat their employees that great with safety concerns and they also sell a bunch of cheap stuff from overseas that could likely be made in sweat shops.

In general people only care about cheap prices and getting same day delivery. They could not care less that a worker might be working in a factory with no AC in 100 degree weather and getting sick or that a child overseas might’ve put together that plastic toy.

Let’s talk about the environment. Most people aren’t boycotting companies that have more plastic waste or worse dumping practices.

Most people aren’t investigating the hiring practices of the businesses that they frequent.

I think most people are selfish.
 

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I don’t think cops get involved in cases of discrimination, they’re usually civil matters.

But overall I don’t think most people pay attention, let alone care that much to take action if they do pay attention.

Let’s take amazon for example. There’s pretty good evidence that they don’t treat their employees that great with safety concerns and they also sell a bunch of cheap stuff from overseas that could likely be made in sweat shops.

In general people only care about cheap prices and getting same day delivery. They could not care less that a worker might be working in a factory with no AC in 100 degree weather and getting sick or that a child overseas might’ve put together that plastic toy.

Let’s talk about the environment. Most people aren’t boycotting companies that have more plastic waste or worse dumping practices.

Most people aren’t investigating the hiring practices of the businesses that they frequent.

I think most people are selfish.
Let it come out that amazon won’t sell to or hire black people and market share disintegrates. If the amazon warehouses suck that much the workers will leave.

People respond to what they actually care about

Edit*. Fully agree on selfishness
 
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Last week my doctor prescribed me Farxiga. Today I went to the pharmacy to collect it and almost had a heart attack. They were quoting $980 for three month supply. I am having an insurance costing over $20000. If I have to pay $980 for drug why the f I have to pay over $20000 for insurance? What for? I walked out without buying. I checked the price in India, there it is only $10 for three months supply. There is no typo , just $10. Is there any end to this madness? Are we all just idiots with no shame or empathy? We are all made to believe we have the BEST HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD, I don’t know what the fk it means anymore. Republicans/Conservatives/Corporate Democrats all are trumpeting “there are 150 million idiots who love their private insurance, we should not take it away from them”. I am certainly not one of them. Actually I don’t really know what the hell is in it TO LOVE, I am dying to get MFA.
 
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Last week my doctor prescribed me Farxiga. Today I went to the pharmacy to collect it and almost had a heart attack. They were quoting $980 for three month supply. I am having an insurance costing over $20000. If I have to pay $980 for drug why the f I have to pay over $20000 for insurance? What for? I walked out without buying. I checked the price in India, there it is only $10 for three months supply. There is no typo , just $10. Is there any end to this madness? Are we all just idiots with no shame or empathy? We are all made to believe we have the BEST HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD, I don’t know what the fk it means anymore. Republicans/Conservatives/Corporate Democrats all are trumpeting “there are 150 million idiots who love their private insurance, we should not take it away from them”. I am certainly not one of them. Actually I don’t really know what the hell is in it TO LOVE, I am dying to get MFA.
One of the reasons the insurance is so expensive is because govt messed with and blocked preexisting condition charges and makes people buy insurance

Medicine is expensive because Americans will still buy it and cost to get to market here is huge along with huge liability. The best way to bring a price down here is for a lot of people to not buy it at the current price
 
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One of the reasons the insurance is so expensive is because govt messed with and blocked preexisting condition charges and makes people buy insurance

Medicine is expensive because Americans will still buy it and cost to get to market here is huge along with huge liability. The best way to bring a price down here is for a lot of people to not buy it at the current price
You have no clue, isn’t it?

Other countries are able to provide comprehensive coverage including preexisting conditions, with no copay or deductible and minimum cost $5-$10 for any drug, all for under $5000-$6000 per family. Are they smart or we are just dumb? Why can’t we just do what they do as a nation instead of sucking up to the private insurance companies calling it stupid freedom?
 

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You have no clue, isn’t it?

Other countries are able to provide comprehensive coverage including preexisting conditions, with no copay or deductible and minimum cost $5-$10 for any drug, all for under $5000-$6000 per family. Are they smart or we are just dumb? Why can’t we just do what they do as a nation instead of sucking up to the private insurance companies calling it stupid freedom?
Why don't you look up what the taxes look like in other countries and report back to the class.

Oh, and the difference in military spending between the US and everyone else.
 

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You have no clue, isn’t it?

Other countries are able to provide comprehensive coverage including preexisting conditions, with no copay or deductible and minimum cost $5-$10 for any drug, all for under $5000-$6000 per family. Are they smart or we are just dumb? Why can’t we just do what they do as a nation instead of sucking up to the private insurance companies calling it stupid freedom?
Frankly put, look at the demand for immigration to those places.....it’s better here. We’re better, our care is better, allinclusive....we’re better
 
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Most people say going to a single-payer will solve all the problems with administrative costs, but I just don't think that's true. I worked as a claims and remittance rep with Epic for a number of hospitals on the East Coast and the vast majority of our work was trying to get paid by Medicare and Medicaid. The private insurance requirements were much more simple. If it is only Medicare you think it will become more simple? Why would they make things more simple?
 
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Why don't you look up what the taxes look like in other countries and report back to the class.

Oh, and the difference in military spending between the US and everyone else.
Obviously they pay little more in taxes, you genius. So what? Did you think about what are the services they get for the additional tax and how much we pay for the same services here AS FEES? BTW why are you crying about taxes when we discuss about healthcare costs? Take their total healthcare spending, divide it by the number of people covered. Compare it with OUR SKYHIGH PREMIUMS, DEDUCTIBLES AND COPAYS. I know it is too complex for you to comprehend all this.
 
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Most people say going to a single-payer will solve all the problems with administrative costs, but I just don't think that's true. I worked as a claims and remittance rep with Epic for a number of hospitals on the East Coast and the vast majority of our work was trying to get paid by Medicare and Medicaid. The private insurance requirements were much more simple. If it is only Medicare you think it will become more simple? Why would they make things more simple?
You are the one assuming that it is only about saving from administrative costs. There are a lot of things we do. Put in aggressive price controls for every line item and services by negotiating with hospitals, physicians, drug companies. We shouldn’t pay a cent more than the average price from say ten other countries. Atrocities like $32 Tylenol pill, $40 toothbrush, etc should become history. We should import drugs from cheaper places.
 

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Obviously they pay little more in taxes, you genius. So what? Did you think about what are the services they get for the additional tax and how much we pay for the same services here AS FEES? BTW why are you crying about taxes when we discuss about healthcare costs? Take their total healthcare spending, divide it by the number of people covered. Compare it with OUR SKYHIGH PREMIUMS, DEDUCTIBLES AND COPAYS. I know it is too complex for you to comprehend all this.
So, your completely unnecessary insults aside, is their added tax burden when you compensate for their significantly decreased military spending comparable to our taxes plus insurance/deductible/and so on?
 

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You are the one assuming that it is only about saving from administrative costs. There are a lot of things we do. Put in aggressive price controls for every line item and services by negotiating with hospitals, physicians, drug companies. We shouldn’t pay a cent more than the average price from say ten other countries. Atrocities like $32 Tylenol pill, $40 toothbrush, etc should become history. We should import drugs from cheaper places.
I don’t disagree with you about drug prices being crazy. Artificially limiting price on services doesn’t seem viable though. We have a country full of people that want the best healthcare in the world without wanting to pay for everything that that entails. Nobody here wants to wait to see a doctor, but the waits we experience are a far cry from what they are elsewhere. You cannot have your cake and eat it to. I think that’s why socialized medicine will have trouble succeeding here. The American people expect everything now and for cheap. That’s impossible to provide under any system.
 

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You are the one assuming that it is only about saving from administrative costs. There are a lot of things we do. Put in aggressive price controls for every line item and services by negotiating with hospitals, physicians, drug companies. We shouldn’t pay a cent more than the average price from say ten other countries. Atrocities like $32 Tylenol pill, $40 toothbrush, etc should become history. We should import drugs from cheaper places.
hospital prices are inflated because they have to treat patients for free and they get enforce govt monopoly via certificate of need. Let them toss people who don't pay, end certificate of need....and prices will drop
 
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This isnt going to happen.
There are too many issues in the way including industry resistance but also patients and voters who generally like what they have.
There are also alternatives to fixing or addressing much of the issues going on today such as ending balanced billing equitably, cost controls on drugs and medical equipment, reducing costs of administrative burdens.
I strongly disagree with this sentiment. Bernie's medicare for all bill had 15 cosponsors in the senate and Pramila Jayapal's medicare for all bill in the house had over 100. Half the physicians I've seen on twitter are in favor of it and there's a doctor from PNHP who has been making rounds on the news promoting medicare for all. Both Bernie and Warren have pretty good chances of becoming the democratic nominee at this point. If they win the nomination then it's totally possible that they can beat trump. Half the country hates him so much that they would vote for literally anyone else over him. And if he becomes president then the democrats will just line up behind him just like republicans did with Trump. Even if they can't pass the exact bill, they'll do as much as they can to pass different laws that are closer and closer to it.

Personally I don't agree with medicare for all as it's being proposed but I acknowledge that it's absolutely possible for it to get passed. The country is so polarized right now. If they can elect Donald Trump (who nobody at all expected to make it all the way to the presidency, let alone to the republican nomination), then they can elect a socialist and get medicare for all passed.
 

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I strongly disagree with this sentiment. Bernie's medicare for all bill had 15 cosponsors in the senate and Pramila Jayapal's medicare for all bill in the house had over 100. Half the physicians I've seen on twitter are in favor of it and there's a doctor from PNHP who has been making rounds on the news promoting medicare for all. Both Bernie and Warren have pretty good chances of becoming the democratic nominee at this point. If they win the nomination then it's totally possible that they can beat trump. Half the country hates him so much that they would vote for literally anyone else over him. And if he becomes president then the democrats will just line up behind him just like republicans did with Trump. Even if they can't pass the exact bill, they'll do as much as they can to pass different laws that are closer and closer to it.

Personally I don't agree with medicare for all as it's being proposed but I acknowledge that it's absolutely possible for it to get passed. The country is so polarized right now. If they can elect Donald Trump (who nobody at all expected to make it all the way to the presidency, let alone to the republican nomination), then they can elect a socialist and get medicare for all passed.
The democrats will lost some of the base if they put up warren or bernie, they are too far

In the same way that the republicans lost some of theirs because of trump
 
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I strongly disagree with this sentiment. Bernie's medicare for all bill had 15 cosponsors in the senate and Pramila Jayapal's medicare for all bill in the house had over 100. Half the physicians I've seen on twitter are in favor of it and there's a doctor from PNHP who has been making rounds on the news promoting medicare for all. Both Bernie and Warren have pretty good chances of becoming the democratic nominee at this point. If they win the nomination then it's totally possible that they can beat trump. Half the country hates him so much that they would vote for literally anyone else over him. And if he becomes president then the democrats will just line up behind him just like republicans did with Trump. Even if they can't pass the exact bill, they'll do as much as they can to pass different laws that are closer and closer to it.

Personally I don't agree with medicare for all as it's being proposed but I acknowledge that it's absolutely possible for it to get passed. The country is so polarized right now. If they can elect Donald Trump (who nobody at all expected to make it all the way to the presidency, let alone to the republican nomination), then they can elect a socialist and get medicare for all passed.
You greatly overestimate the willingness of people to hand the keys to their finances to Sanders or Warren. These people will either simply not turn out, hold their noses and vote for Trump, or vote third party. They are too far left and they will lose a decent chunk of the base.
 

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hospital prices are inflated because they have to treat patients for free and they get enforce govt monopoly via certificate of need. Let them toss people who don't pay, end certificate of need....and prices will drop
we’d have to end emtala and be cool with letting people die without care for that to work. Don’t think that is a step the American people are willing to take
 

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we’d have to end emtala and be cool with letting people die without care for that to work. Don’t think that is a step the American people are willing to take
Is it any coincidence that euthanasia is popular in Europe where socialized medicine is also popular?
 
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