certain reasons have been given for why the ivy league is "stupid". a. that the ivy league was formed because their athletes were getting asses kicked in all the sports, so they couldn't compete with everyone else. they formed their league so the nerds could play against the nerds. this is totally false. at the time when the ivy league was formed, several ivy league football teams were amongst the best in the nation. the ivy league was formed in 1955, only 5 years after the last time princeton won a division 1 national championship. the last ivy leaguer to win the heisman was also right before the creation of the league and loss of athletic scholarships, in 1051. the league was started because the presidents of these 8 schools thought that they should emphasize academics over athletics, so they agreed to never give athletic scholarships again. so, as a result of this, the "major" sports at ivy league schools have suffered since the creation of the league DUE TO LACK OF SCHOLARSHIPS. b. that the ivy league sucks at all sports. ask ucla fans how much princeton basketball sucks. they will remember. admittedly, football is awful in the ivy league. but a lot of other sports are really strong. some of them are the prep school sports like lacrosse and rowing, but there are others too (soccer and baseball are pretty strong). swimming, though not a major sport, is very strong here, and fairly comparable to the acc. next time you bash the ivy leagues, know your info first.