Too late to retake the MCAT for this upcoming application cycle?

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Long story short, I applied last cycle with a ~3.5/28R and got into Drexel, waitlisted at my home school. I wound up turning down Drexel because I vehemently disliked the school. I knew I would be miserable if I went there and I just couldn't bear the thought of spending several years there. It was also quite pricey for what they offer.

Anyways, I started looking into other career alternatives over the past few months, but it's dawning on me once again that medicine is genuinely my only interest at this moment. I'm contemplating re-applying this cycle, but if I do, I need to retake the MCAT. If I do that, then I'm probably going to need ~3 months to study for that. If I don't take the MCAT until the end of July and get my results back at the end of August, is that too late? I can easily have my application in when AMCAS opens up since most of my stuff won't change, but I know schools won't even look at it if I indicate I'm retaking the MCAT.

Thoughts?

Thanks
 
I read that no schools will take you if you've been accepted/attended medical school before
I might be wrong though... someone enlighten me

When applying for the current cycle, I took my MCAT in late June and managed to snag 5 interviews. I didn't get letters or secondaries in until late october so I think it's not too late.
 
You struggled to get in the first time. Why you decided to turn down that opportunity is beyond me, but that's beyond the scope of this thread I suppose. Given how you did this year, how do you think you'll do if your app isn't complete until September at the earliest? Assuming you take an August test date.

In all honesty turning down that acceptance was a huge, huge mistake. I wish you the best.

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I wound up turning down Drexel because I vehemently disliked the school. I knew I would be miserable if I went there and I just couldn't bear the thought of spending several years there. It was also quite pricey for what they offer.


Like a medical degree? That decision may come back to bite you.
 
Turning down Drexel? Big, big mistake. Best of luck.
 
Long story short, I applied last cycle with a ~3.5/28R and got into Drexel, waitlisted at my home school. I wound up turning down Drexel because I vehemently disliked the school. I knew I would be miserable if I went there and I just couldn't bear the thought of spending several years there. It was also quite pricey for what they offer.

Anyways, I started looking into other career alternatives over the past few months, but it's dawning on me once again that medicine is genuinely my only interest at this moment. I'm contemplating re-applying this cycle, but if I do, I need to retake the MCAT. If I do that, then I'm probably going to need ~3 months to study for that. If I don't take the MCAT until the end of July and get my results back at the end of August, is that too late? I can easily have my application in when AMCAS opens up since most of my stuff won't change, but I know schools won't even look at it if I indicate I'm retaking the MCAT.

Thoughts?

Thanks

Reapply next year. Your app will be late otherwise.. also turning down Drexel wasn't a bright idea given your success this cycle
 
Why did you even apply there if you didn't like it...
 
July test isn't too late.

Is Philly really that bad tho? I mean sure, Will's mom got was shook but damn
 
Going to echo the others. You need to wait awhile. The fact that you are now known to schools as someone who turned down his only acceptance makes you a sh*tty candidate regardless of the strength of the rest of your application. It's one of the most taboo things you can do aside from a significant IA, maybe. You will have an exceedingly difficult time convincing anyone of your actual commitment to medicine should they even give you the opportunity (and with 30 applicants to a seat, they probably wouldn't even offer you that opportunity). Generally, people who get in after that sort of a mistake reapply as non-trads after a few yrs of work in some other field and basically write in their PS about how their work in XYZ simply wasn't as fulfilling as they had hoped and that it renewed their interest in medicine for XYZ reasons. Simply reapplying will just get you some facepalms by the AdCom.
 
Yeah put yourself in their shoes. Why would any committee member vouch for someone to be accepted to their school who they know turned down their only acceptance last year? They have 10 people in line behind you who don't have that history.

I don't know how the DO application system works and if they ask you if you've ever been accepted to an MD school before but if you really want to get in this year you might try going that route. Otherwise, you're gonna have to wait it out a few years.

You really should have asked around on here before you shot yourself in the foot like that.
 
Better hope you get off that waitlist at your state school...
 
I'm taking my MCAT in August so not too late to apply. Don't apply anywhere you wouldn't be willing to attend, waste of money and unprofessional.
 
I'm taking my MCAT in August so not too late to apply. Don't apply anywhere you wouldn't be willing to attend, waste of money and unprofessional.

As a side note: taking the MCAT in August = too late to apply for this cycle. Your chances will be severely reduced. (This is, of course, assuming you even score in a competitive range on the first attempt. Few of us do, which is why the MCAT has the reputation it does.)
 
Don't apply anywhere you wouldn't be willing to attend, waste of money and unprofessional.

I hate it when people perpetuate this nonsense. The interview is just as much for you to evaluate the school as it is for the school to evaluate you. I had no idea Drexel was such garbage until I saw it in person for myself.

No offense to those who replied to this, but my question had nothing to do with asking you to evaluate my choice of turning down an acceptance. Turning down an acceptance being a black mark on your application is just another perpetuated myth on SDN, one of many. I've heard many, many things on SDN that are simply just not true, and this is one of them.

If asked about it, I'll be completely honest and upfront about my desire to go to a school that I could see myself being happy at. I didn't do anything unethical; I attended their interview day and didn't like the school. I knew from 5 minutes into seeing it that I wasn't going to be happy there. You guys act like it's a gamble to offer me a spot now because I turned down one school - why? What does a school have to lose on me? I turn it down, they move on to the next person.
 
I hate it when people perpetuate this nonsense. The interview is just as much for you to evaluate the school as it is for the school to evaluate you. I had no idea Drexel was such garbage until I saw it in person for myself.
Yes, you're right. And you should have IMMEDIATELY withdrawn instead of waiting for them to make a decision to accept you because now you look like a whiny, entitled brat who has intention to be a physician.
No offense to those who replied to this, but my question had nothing to do with asking you to evaluate my choice of turning down an acceptance. Turning down an acceptance being a black mark on your application is just another perpetuated myth on SDN, one of many. I've heard many, many things on SDN that are simply just not true, and this is one of them.
Umm... ok, don't listen to those of us who've been there, those of us who work for Admissions at our respective schools, those of us who have been close to AdComs prior to going to med school. Obviously, the Director of Admissions at CU and the one here are both wrong. You obviously know more than they do. You obviously understand this process better than LizzyM or Catalystik (who are both active AdCom members at their schools). I get it. You know what's best. Well then ignore our ignorant advice.
If asked about it, I'll be completely honest and upfront about my desire to go to a school that I could see myself being happy at. I didn't do anything unethical; I attended their interview day and didn't like the school. I knew from 5 minutes into seeing it that I wasn't going to be happy there. You guys act like it's a gamble to offer me a spot now because I turned down one school - why? What does a school have to lose on me? I turn it down, they move on to the next person.

It's a gamble to offer you an interview. They are unlikely to interview you. You don't seem to get that. Schools usually interview about 10-15% of their applicants and you probably won't be in that <<20%. Further, it's not even a question of you turning them down. You're right, that won't matter beyond yield protection. What does matter, though, is whether or not you are likely to persist to graduation. Your current track record says, "Anything's possible, but probably not."

I don't want to be cruel, but think about it from their perspective. As of now you're a below-average applicant with an MCAT score over a half-standard deviation below the mean for acceptees and a GPA about the same amount below the mean. That alone makes you mediocre. You have good ECs, but nothing struck me as stellar, which is what you need with those numbers. The result on your first cycle was ONE acceptance at a bottom-tier MD but nevertheless an MD program. A friend of mine goes there and likes it. Her description of the program sounds a little weak clinically and lacking research-wise compared to my experience here, but hey, she'll still finish as an AMG with an MD! You could have too.

Unfortunately, you chose to turn down the one program that had an interest in you. As a mediocre applicant, that was really your only chance and there's no chance in hell they'll consider you again after this year. Now when you reapply schools will all ask about your reapplicant status, many on their secondaries. When they look into it and find out you had an acceptance this past cycle, they will likely close your file with a recommendation to reject. Why consider you further/? What makes you worth their valuable time?

Even with a retake on the MCAT, your unbalanced 28 is going to haunt you to some degree and the poor GPA will absolutely haunt you. Even with an outstanding MCAT (say a 36+), you would have to convince someone that you're not going to flake again during med school or something when the going gets rough WHICH IT WILL!
 
I'm not sure how you know it's a "myth" but okay. It also looks like you haven't done much in the past year anyway since your application packet is going to be "pretty much the same". So what, you think a new MCAT and 3.5 GPA is suddenly going to make you a desirable enough applicant to pick over all the other people who haven't applied for a cycle already and turned down the school(s) who accepted them? Are you just going to bank on a new MCAT score to pull you up this time around I guess?

Anyway, you applied much earlier last year it seems like and barely skated by with one acceptance. Baring some huge change in your application, not having your application completed until the end of August (at best) is going to severely hurt your chances. Waiting until next year and doing something productive with your time would probably be your best bet. I'm sure you already know that though since you're so familiar with all the SDN myths so not sure why you're even asking...
 
Why didn't you withdraw your application before they accepted you?
That's a thing you can do, right? Would that look less bad than turning down an acceptance?

I'm just asking for future reference for others who decide at an interview that they wouldn't want to attend the school - obviously it's too late to help the OP...

OP, (love the name by the way!) I understand that you're not looking to get judged by sdn on turning down your one acceptance, but the point the others are trying to make is that you WILL be judged by schools if you reapply without being able to demonstrate a commitment to medicine, which is in question at this point in time because you decided your commitment to medicine wasn't strong enough to get you through 4 years at Drexel. Whether the MCAT date is too late or not is irrelevant, because the biggest black mark on your application next year will not be your MCAT score, but rather your status as someone who turned down an acceptance. But since you're asking, it seems generally accepted that the weaker your application, the more important it is to apply as early as possible (like, in the first couple weeks of June)

This is not to say that you can't be a doctor anymore, but it's probably too soon to reapply this cycle. Take your time, kill the MCAT, and.... do something else for a few years that can help show that you want to be a doctor more than anything else and that you'll do anything to reach that goal. (I don't know what that cound be)
 
Why didn't you withdraw your application before they accepted you?
That's a thing you can do, right? Would that look less bad than turning down an acceptance?

I'm just asking for future reference for others who decide at an interview that they wouldn't want to attend the school - obviously it's too late to help the OP...

OP, (love the name by the way!) I understand that you're not looking to get judged by sdn on turning down your one acceptance, but the point the others are trying to make is that you WILL be judged by schools if you reapply without being able to demonstrate a commitment to medicine, which is in question at this point in time because you decided your commitment to medicine wasn't strong enough to get you through 4 years at Drexel. Whether the MCAT date is too late or not is irrelevant, because the biggest black mark on your application next year will not be your MCAT score, but rather your status as someone who turned down an acceptance. But since you're asking, it seems generally accepted that the weaker your application, the more important it is to apply as early as possible (like, in the first couple weeks of June)

This is not to say that you can't be a doctor anymore, but it's probably too soon to reapply this cycle. Take your time, kill the MCAT, and.... do something else for a few years that can help show that you want to be a doctor more than anything else and that you'll do anything to reach that goal. (I don't know what that cound be)

Yes, turning a school down post-interview, pre-acceptance looks better. Sure, Drexel still wouldn't consider him again, but he wouldn't have to say "yes, I was accepted and didn't matriculate" since he wouldn't have heard from them yet.
 
I didn't turn them down pre-acceptance because frankly I didn't think I'd be accepted. I have a very aggressive, insulting, and short interview which was literally full of him picking apart my application and telling me why I wouldn't make a good doctor (all because he perceived part of my application as a personal insult to him/his institution, for reasons I have no idea, as well as my job). Multiple times I was told by my interviewer that my selection of work indicated to him that I was lacking in any sort of empathy towards patients and that was a red flag for him to ever suggest me to go into medicine. How or why I got accepted to that school after that is beyond me.

Also, I'm not saying SDN is always wrong like some dude above this seems to have taken. Obviously I wouldn't be on here asking a question if I thought so. I'm just saying there's a ton of misinformation that is constantly crapped out on here. I was told my application would net me nothing and to apply DO - I got 5 interviews, went on 2 of them, and got a waitlist/acceptance out of those two. I'd hardly say I completely drowned this cycle. Had I actually gone on those other 3 interviews, who knows. For a 3.5/28R, no shadowing, pretty much no research.. I'd say I did pretty well vs. what SDN prepared me for.

Also, for those completely crapping all over me for my low MCAT, I scored several points below my average test scores and didn't retake it because I'm an idiot. Now I'm studying again with much, much better resources. My biggest mistake was relying on EK books when my foundation was incredibly shaky. That and the fact that I'm starting a much better patient-oriented job as well as shadowing two doctors at the moment (to the dude insulting my lack of progress, I haven't been on SDN in a while/updated my MDAPPS) makes me pretty confident I'll go much further this cycle.

To those who have actually answered my question, I thank you. To the rest who feel the need to be argumentative over a decision I've already made and cannot change.. truck on, internet warrior.
 
I lold with the internet warrior joke haha. I agree with what everyone here has said, but thats not helpful now so...


With your stats and old MCAT, you got 5 interviews? That makes me believe your a good writer with good experiences.

retake the MCAT, Do well 32+++ and try again, I'll also be reapplying with a RED Flag so, hopefully we can get in!
 
I hate it when people perpetuate this nonsense. The interview is just as much for you to evaluate the school as it is for the school to evaluate you. I had no idea Drexel was such garbage until I saw it in person for myself.

No offense to those who replied to this, but my question had nothing to do with asking you to evaluate my choice of turning down an acceptance. Turning down an acceptance being a black mark on your application is just another perpetuated myth on SDN, one of many. I've heard many, many things on SDN that are simply just not true, and this is one of them.

If asked about it, I'll be completely honest and upfront about my desire to go to a school that I could see myself being happy at. I didn't do anything unethical; I attended their interview day and didn't like the school. I knew from 5 minutes into seeing it that I wasn't going to be happy there. You guys act like it's a gamble to offer me a spot now because I turned down one school - why? What does a school have to lose on me? I turn it down, they move on to the next person.

There are so many ppl here just dying for an acceptance. You put your business out there and ppl are going to comment whether it pertains to your original question or not. With that being said, turning down an acceptance is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard, if you knew 5 minutes in you wouldnt be happy why didnt you withdraw while you were there?!?!

This thread is complete BS and ppl like you p*ss me off!
 
I didn't turn them down pre-acceptance because frankly I didn't think I'd be accepted. I have a very aggressive, insulting, and short interview which was literally full of him picking apart my application and telling me why I wouldn't make a good doctor (all because he perceived part of my application as a personal insult to him/his institution, for reasons I have no idea, as well as my job). Multiple times I was told by my interviewer that my selection of work indicated to him that I was lacking in any sort of empathy towards patients and that was a red flag for him to ever suggest me to go into medicine. How or why I got accepted to that school after that is beyond me.

Also, I'm not saying SDN is always wrong like some dude above this seems to have taken. Obviously I wouldn't be on here asking a question if I thought so. I'm just saying there's a ton of misinformation that is constantly crapped out on here. I was told my application would net me nothing and to apply DO - I got 5 interviews, went on 2 of them, and got a waitlist/acceptance out of those two. I'd hardly say I completely drowned this cycle. Had I actually gone on those other 3 interviews, who knows. For a 3.5/28R, no shadowing, pretty much no research.. I'd say I did pretty well vs. what SDN prepared me for.

Also, for those completely crapping all over me for my low MCAT, I scored several points below my average test scores and didn't retake it because I'm an idiot. Now I'm studying again with much, much better resources. My biggest mistake was relying on EK books when my foundation was incredibly shaky. That and the fact that I'm starting a much better patient-oriented job as well as shadowing two doctors at the moment (to the dude insulting my lack of progress, I haven't been on SDN in a while/updated my MDAPPS) makes me pretty confident I'll go much further this cycle.

To those who have actually answered my question, I thank you. To the rest who feel the need to be argumentative over a decision I've already made and cannot change.. truck on, internet warrior.

You said yourself in the first post your application would mostly be the same, I didn't go look up the info or anything. Nobody is "crapping" on you for your low MCAT anyway it's just realistic that a 3.5/28 combo isn't exactly a super desirable applicant numbers-wise but maybe you've had some other experiences that augmented those numbers (it seems like it from the interviews you got). Now as for the other part...

Is this real life? You got 5 interviews, only went on 2 of them but didn't even like one of the schools so you turned them down? You must have some serious cash to blow by applying to 20+ schools and turning down 3/5 interviews, risking having to apply the next cycle. At least you were consistent with your bad decision making. You're right though, who knows. You might have been starting school in August instead of trying to put your application through again.
 
Yes, turning a school down post-interview, pre-acceptance looks better. Sure, Drexel still wouldn't consider him again, but he wouldn't have to say "yes, I was accepted and didn't matriculate" since he wouldn't have heard from them yet.

Quick question, how do medical schools "know" that you turned down an acceptance? Do the admission officers all have a forum like this or something? Is there a database they can search? Thanks in advance.

-Newbie
 
I'm curious as to why the OP turned down 3 interviews. I would have LOVED to get 5 interview invites.
 
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Quick question, how do medical schools "know" that you turned down an acceptance? Do the admission officers all have a forum like this or something? Is there a database they can search? Thanks in advance.

-Newbie

To answer my own question, RedSox10 posted a while ago (in a separate thread):

"Medical schools will know if you were accepted into medical school and declined ONLY if you apply to the same school twice. When you apply to a school, they make a file about you. Come May 1st (I forget the exact date) each school that you applied to will have access to where you have been accepted (not rejected, waitlitsted, or merely applied). If you then apply to that same school again, they can look you up in their database and see this acceptance data from the previous year. Thus, if you apply to Harvard during year 1, get rejected but get into another school, turn it down, and apply to Harvard again the following year, provided they kept your file, they will see that you turned down an acceptance the previous year. This will look REALLY bad. "

Thus to the OP, there is no harm in applying again. Schools will not know he turned down an acceptance, providing this is not his second time applying to that particular school. Everyone has there own justifications for declining an acceptance, and to criticize them incessantly for a decision which they probably already feel some degree of regret, is very nonconstructive. Best of luck to you OP in getting your dream school! 😀
 
Turning down 5 interview invites and 1 acceptance.....not your brightest idea.

It doesn't matter what your excuse is for turning down the acceptance; you can't use that excuse. Are you going to explain to them that you knew you were such a horrible applicant that you didn't expect to get accepted and THAT was why you didn't withdraw pre-acceptance?

Don't apply this upcoming cycle.
 
Definitely applying this upcoming cycle. I turned down the 3 interviews because I didn't feel my application was strong enough to justify spending a grand each time I went on an interview with such slim chances. That and I began having doubts about a career in medicine that I've since gotten over. I don't regret turning down Drexel, but I definitely do regret not attending those interviews in hindsight.
 
To answer my own question, RedSox10 posted a while ago (in a separate thread):

"Medical schools will know if you were accepted into medical school and declined ONLY if you apply to the same school twice. When you apply to a school, they make a file about you. Come May 1st (I forget the exact date) each school that you applied to will have access to where you have been accepted (not rejected, waitlitsted, or merely applied). If you then apply to that same school again, they can look you up in their database and see this acceptance data from the previous year. Thus, if you apply to Harvard during year 1, get rejected but get into another school, turn it down, and apply to Harvard again the following year, provided they kept your file, they will see that you turned down an acceptance the previous year. This will look REALLY bad. "

Thus to the OP, there is no harm in applying again. Schools will not know he turned down an acceptance, providing this is not his second time applying to that particular school. Everyone has there own justifications for declining an acceptance, and to criticize them incessantly for a decision which they probably already feel some degree of regret, is very nonconstructive. Best of luck to you OP in getting your dream school! 😀

Except there are schools that ask in their secondaries if you've been accepted to an MD program before.

Definitely applying this upcoming cycle. I turned down the 3 interviews because I didn't feel my application was strong enough to justify spending a grand each time I went on an interview with such slim chances. That and I began having doubts about a career in medicine that I've since gotten over. I don't regret turning down Drexel, but I definitely do regret not attending those interviews in hindsight.

If you're going to be complete late, then you will face a big uphill battle. Best of luck to you.
 
Definitely applying this upcoming cycle. I turned down the 3 interviews because I didn't feel my application was strong enough to justify spending a grand each time I went on an interview with such slim chances. That and I began having doubts about a career in medicine that I've since gotten over. I don't regret turning down Drexel, but I definitely do regret not attending those interviews in hindsight.

1.) That was not a smart choice.
2.) I would take at least a year off to make sure that you actually want to pursue medicine. To me, it sounds like you are still shaky on it.
3.) Have a good reason as to why you declined an acceptance.
4.) Retake that MCAT, get a 32+, and apply to as many schools as possible. At this point, I would be surprised if you scraped another acceptance at all in the coming years.

Realize that you competing with some of the best and hard-working students in the country. And that you are nothing, but another hard-working student (possibly below-par student) that made a terrible decision. It happens. Shrug it off and figure out something. I know I sound harsh, but that's reality.

In the mean time, I do have to wonder why did you make such an impulsive decision without consulting your mentors or SDN or someone???!!
 
You turned down 5 interviews and your only acceptance?! This is a perfect example that common sense bests intelligence.

Now you're reapplying later than before and retaking the MCAT. You made the worse decision ever on SDN. Every person on this forum would KILL to go to Drexel if it was they're only school.
 
So many people on here struggled. I don't care if you're rich or poor white or black. We struggled for a minimum of half a decade 1,000s of hours, tens of thousands of dollars in tuition and fees, thousands of dollars for MCAT prep, sacrificing opportunities to enjoy college to study and prepare for medicine! You talk about wasting money on interview!!!! People have sacrificed their health, relationships, pocketbooks, and creditors to get interviews and I guarantee you they would not give it upon a whim. That's why you're a red flag because what you did makes so many people sick to their stomach.

Good luck to you.
 
Definitely applying this upcoming cycle. I turned down the 3 interviews because I didn't feel my application was strong enough to justify spending a grand each time I went on an interview with such slim chances. That and I began having doubts about a career in medicine that I've since gotten over. I don't regret turning down Drexel, but I definitely do regret not attending those interviews in hindsight.

Holy christ, I hope you are trolling. There's no way...

Protip: if a school offers you an interview, it means they are interested in accepting you. You mean their requirements on paper, and for the most part, they want to make sure you are socially competent. A random applicant has a ~10% chance at an interview, but if interviewed, they have a 33-50% chance of acceptance. If you had gone on all 5 interviews, you would very likely had more than 1 acceptance. Sometimes you throw the dice and get unlucky but statistically speaking... Statistically speaking, you're an idiot.

What makes people so angry in this thread is not that you turned down an acceptance, it's that you act like you know everything about the admissions process even after 10+ people are telling you that you are wrong.

With an attitude and decision making process like yours, you may end up in med school within a decade or two. I mean, good luck at Harvard c/o 2018, I'm sure you'll get in. As for me, I'm taking my DUCoM acceptance. It only took 3 application cycles + 1 year busting my ass at an SMP.
 
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damn man, sorry to see that you made such a stupid decision... no wait, no I'm not.

Worst decision that's ever been made in the history of this forum. Thousands including myself would KILL for an acceptance to an MD school even if we hated it, let alone 5 more interviews we declined?! You must be a troll, I don't believe you can be a real person in this situation, I just refuse to think that's possible. If you are indeed telling the truth, I'm sorry but I don't think you deserve another acceptance. You had opportunities that very few people on the planet ever get and you wasted them on a whim. Hard to believe. Good luck to you on your reapplication though. Will be interesting to see where this goes.
 
To answer my own question, RedSox10 posted a while ago (in a separate thread):

"Medical schools will know if you were accepted into medical school and declined ONLY if you apply to the same school twice. When you apply to a school, they make a file about you. Come May 1st (I forget the exact date) each school that you applied to will have access to where you have been accepted (not rejected, waitlitsted, or merely applied). If you then apply to that same school again, they can look you up in their database and see this acceptance data from the previous year. Thus, if you apply to Harvard during year 1, get rejected but get into another school, turn it down, and apply to Harvard again the following year, provided they kept your file, they will see that you turned down an acceptance the previous year. This will look REALLY bad. "

Thus to the OP, there is no harm in applying again. Schools will not know he turned down an acceptance, providing this is not his second time applying to that particular school. Everyone has there own justifications for declining an acceptance, and to criticize them incessantly for a decision which they probably already feel some degree of regret, is very nonconstructive. Best of luck to you OP in getting your dream school! 😀

I would say the same thing but the unfortunate thing is that the OP already applied to something like over 20 schools last cycle. So yes, he can pick a whole new batch of schools to apply to who won't know that he got accepted but (unless he continued his streak of making bad decisions) he probably applied to many of the schools he figured he had a shot at getting into last year.
 
I hate it when people perpetuate this nonsense. The interview is just as much for you to evaluate the school as it is for the school to evaluate you. I had no idea Drexel was such garbage until I saw it in person for myself.

No offense to those who replied to this, but my question had nothing to do with asking you to evaluate my choice of turning down an acceptance. Turning down an acceptance being a black mark on your application is just another perpetuated myth on SDN, one of many. I've heard many, many things on SDN that are simply just not true, and this is one of them.

If asked about it, I'll be completely honest and upfront about my desire to go to a school that I could see myself being happy at. I didn't do anything unethical; I attended their interview day and didn't like the school. I knew from 5 minutes into seeing it that I wasn't going to be happy there. You guys act like it's a gamble to offer me a spot now because I turned down one school - why? What does a school have to lose on me? I turn it down, they move on to the next person.

Yeah, there is absolutely no reason that you should justify yourself. I agree making a decision to attend a school you wouldn't want to go to is legit because the four years of medical training are going to be intense and you should be happy where you go.

Also, since you have already made the decision telling you that it is a black mark is extremely unhelpful.

My advice would be to explain the situation in a better light. Some adcom members may be offput if you simply say "I didn't like the school" but if you can come up with a more legit (in their eyes) reason, then it probably wouldn't be that big of a deal.

There are a number of reasons that you may have turned it down. And if you spent the past year immersed in clinical experiences, then I don't think it would be too bad of an idea if you stated that you wanted to have more time to verify your career choice before attending med school.



In terms of the MCAT, the later the worse your chances are. That is a fact. It is your decision what to do with it.
 
Definitely applying this upcoming cycle. I turned down the 3 interviews because I didn't feel my application was strong enough to justify spending a grand each time I went on an interview with such slim chances. That and I began having doubts about a career in medicine that I've since gotten over. I don't regret turning down Drexel, but I definitely do regret not attending those interviews in hindsight.

Well, you set yourself up for a great disadvantage. All I can say is good luck.
 
I also think people should stop attacking the OP.


I am sure he knows that he made some "mistakes", but that is a personal choice. It would be more constructive to simply offer him advice.

I would not recommend applying to Drexel and I would wholeheartedly suggest that you apply to DO schools as well.

OP can you list the schools you applied to and then maybe others can offer suggestions for schools you can target?


I know private schools like Rosalind Franklin, Temple, and GWU maybe more favorable choices.

Also, your state of residence would be helpful.

The best thing to do is to find a strategy on how to improve. You can't change the past, but you can certainly work to make things better.
 
To answer my own question, RedSox10 posted a while ago (in a separate thread):

"Medical schools will know if you were accepted into medical school and declined ONLY if you apply to the same school twice. When you apply to a school, they make a file about you. Come May 1st (I forget the exact date) each school that you applied to will have access to where you have been accepted (not rejected, waitlitsted, or merely applied). If you then apply to that same school again, they can look you up in their database and see this acceptance data from the previous year. Thus, if you apply to Harvard during year 1, get rejected but get into another school, turn it down, and apply to Harvard again the following year, provided they kept your file, they will see that you turned down an acceptance the previous year. This will look REALLY bad. "

Thus to the OP, there is no harm in applying again. Schools will not know he turned down an acceptance, providing this is not his second time applying to that particular school. Everyone has there own justifications for declining an acceptance, and to criticize them incessantly for a decision which they probably already feel some degree of regret, is very nonconstructive. Best of luck to you OP in getting your dream school! 😀

This isn't entirely correct - the AAMC publishes a National Acceptance Report each year that outlines previous acceptances for applicants. This data is available to schools who seek it out, but it isn't automatically supplied to other schools. In essence, the schools you apply to that you applied to previously will almost certainly notice that you are a reapplicant while other schools COULD find out that information but, in all likelihood, I'm guessing they don't even bother.

Source: https://webcache.googleusercontent....4amcasadvisorqa.pdf+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (sorry for the Google cache link, the AAMC site is currently down)

All I can say OP is that I hope you recognize your huge mistakes from this cycle and approach your next cycle in an entirely different way.
 
Yeah, there is absolutely no reason that you should justify yourself. I agree making a decision to attend a school you wouldn't want to go to is legit because the four years of medical training are going to be intense and you should be happy where you go.

Doesn't mean that he shouldn't be made into a cautionary tale about why you should ALWAYS withdraw an application if you realize you absolutely don't want to go to a particular school, even if your interview went poorly.

Also, since you have already made the decision telling you that it is a black mark is extremely unhelpful.

I agree in theory, but not in this case because
a) the OP doesn't believe it is a black mark, so he needs to be told because
b) he's asking for advice about applying this cycle
Most people aren't saying "oh you've got this black mark - sucks to be you" but rather "because you've got this black mark, you need to do _____."* But that advice won't be especially helpful if he doesn't realize that his declining an acceptance is a black mark in the first place.

*Most of this advice includes not applying this cycle, but turns out his question is not "Should I apply this cycle?" but rather "I'm going to apply this cycle. Should I take the MCAT later when I might possibly get a good score but be complete late OR take the MCAT before I have time to study and apply early?" Even without the issue the OP is going to face in convincing med schools he has a commitment to medicine, the advice I have heard on SDN in response to that question is ALWAYS to wait until the next cycle so you can have time to study for the MCAT AND apply early. Probably SDNers overestimate the importance of these things a bit (not that you shouldn't apply early and have a good MCAT, but that you can probably get into an MD school even if you don't apply on the first day and have a 36+), but if he's not interested in accepting SDN's advice, which is to wait at least a year for all three reasons listed above, plus the fact that he's a reapplicant and needs time to improve his application, then he ought not be asking the question on SDN in the first place.
 
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Relevant question: If I did not receive any acceptances this cycle and had a slightly less than 30 MCAT, would it be okay to take the test again in August but have my application complete in June if the rest of my application is competitive?
 
Relevant question: If I did not receive any acceptances this cycle and had a slightly less than 30 MCAT, would it be okay to take the test again in August but have my application complete in June if the rest of my application is competitive?

It is not ideal because alot of schools won't consider your application without a MCAT score (and I believe you know that).


However, if you could take the test earlier it may be better. If you are set on taking it in June, then you should definitely submit your app earlier so that when you receive your MCAT score there will be less time wasted on verification and the like.
 
and got into Drexel.I wound up turning down Drexel

was also quite pricey for what they offer.
Bro, everyone who goes to medical school is going to have a big or giant debt. Unless you have some wealthy parents.

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von Matterhorn...like Lorenzo von Matterhorn in HIMYM?

Sorry to hear you disliked Drexel...I actually ended up really liking it.
I'm with the other members who are in disbelief that you withdrew an offer of acceptance...but anyways.

August is borderline late, and that's if you have everything else in place (verification, LORs, etc). Plus, as a reapplicant myself, schools want to see that you've done something significant and more prominent than the last cycle. Given that you said you were looking into other careers, if you don't have a significantly different application and you have an August MCAT, that's already 2 potential disadvantages.
 
It is not ideal because alot of schools won't consider your application without a MCAT score (and I believe you know that).


However, if you could take the test earlier it may be better. If you are set on taking it in June, then you should definitely submit your app earlier so that when you receive your MCAT score there will be less time wasted on verification and the like.

That wasn't my question. I already have an MCAT score, it's just slightly beneath the 30 threshold. Just wondering if I could still get interviews in the next cycle if i retake it after I submit my application.
 
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