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Tool to predict next year's US News rankings?

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by Wahoo, Mar 19, 2002.

  1. Wahoo

    Wahoo Senior Member

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    The new rankings in NIH research funding were recently released. Of this year's US News top 10 medical schools, only UCSF, Duke, & Mich moved up, and the majority went down in NIH ranking (especially Stanford: 6->13).

    $ Million
    NIH Funding Ranking by NIH Funding
    2000 2001 2000 2001
    Harvard 124 139 18 20
    Hopkins 305 334 1 1
    Duke 173 204 11 10
    U Penn 270 327 2 2
    Wash U 266 290 3 4
    Columbi 181 197 9 11
    UCSF 251 321 4 3
    Yale 222 227 5 6
    Stanfor 183 193 6 13
    Michiga 177 213 10 8

    Just food for thought. Do you think this will have an impact on US News rankings?
     
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  3. Wahoo

    Wahoo Senior Member

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    Sorry for the ugly chart. It looked a lot more organized when I was typing it.
     
  4. SMW

    SMW Grand Member

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    Looks like all the usual suspects! :D
     
  5. Cambrian

    Cambrian Colonel/Senior Member

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    NIH funding does have a significang impact on USNews rankings (it is a big variable in the equation). Harvard always gets the big bucks. Damn them.
     
  6. scooter31

    scooter31 'Ello Guv'nah!

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    Remember folks- these listings are for "entertainment" purposes only, kinda like the bookie lines in the sports section of your newspaper :D
     
  7. Cambrian

    Cambrian Colonel/Senior Member

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    I agree that USNews rankings should NOT have that much significance. But...the general public use these rankings. So when the majority of the U.S. population believes in the rankings, they can become "significant".
     
  8. james72681

    james72681 Junior Member

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    Here's the NIH list this year:

    Johns Hopkins University
    University of Pennsylvania
    University of California-San Francisco
    Washington University
    University of Washington
    Yale University
    Baylor College of Medicine
    University of Michigan
    University of California-Los Angeles
    Duke University
     
  9. Spyder007

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    Where'd you find this data?
     
  10. Wahoo

    Wahoo Senior Member

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    NIH Awards to Medical Schools by Rank
    Fiscal Year 2001:

    <a href="http://grants2.nih.gov/grants/award/rank/medttl.htm" target="_blank">http://grants2.nih.gov/grants/award/rank/medttl.htm</a>
     
  11. brandonite

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by I Love Natalie Portman:
    <strong>I agree that USNews rankings should NOT have that much significance. But...the general public use these rankings. So when the majority of the U.S. population believes in the rankings, they can become "significant".</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Does the general public actually care about these? I mean, when I told people where I applied, they were really impressed with Havard, Yale and Stanford, didn't really know too much about Duke, and had never heard of WashU before. I think if I were to tell people that I graduated from Yale (ranked at the bottom of the top 10), the average patient would be more impressed then if I told them I got my MD at WashU (at the top of the top 10).

    I have a very strong belief that within the top 10 or even 20, there is no major difference in quality of education. Harvard and Hopkins might be in a class by themselves just based on reputation. But beyond that...
     
  12. DarksideAllstar

    DarksideAllstar you can pay me in bud

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    Is the topic of this post, "Only a tool would want to try to predict next year's rankings"? If you get into any of those schools I don't really think it matters if its #6 or #11 or f-ing #18. "Ah ****, I ain't going to Stanford, it fell seven spots to number 13. Looks like someone forgot to renew some of NIH grants." Sorry, I think this is ridiculous, much like this whole process.
     
  13. trout

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    I don't even think the general population follows this...they just go for names the recognize (which generally means large universities) For example, when I told my parents I got into Rochester they were like thats nice...I had to explain to them that Rochester is a ranked school, and I was pretty damn lucky to get in.....
     
  14. brandonite

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by UCSFreak:
    <strong>Is the topic of this post, "Only a tool would want to try to predict next year's rankings"? If you get into any of those schools I don't really think it matters if its #6 or #11 or f-ing #18. "Ah ****, I ain't going to Stanford, it fell seven spots to number 13. Looks like someone forgot to renew some of NIH grants." Sorry, I think this is ridiculous, much like this whole process.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey, I know I wouldn't be interested in Stanford if it dropped from 8th to 9th, or, heaven forgive, 10th... :)

    Seriously, I agree completely.
     
  15. Trek

    Trek Grand Uranium Member

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by UCSFreak:
    <strong>Is the topic of this post, "Only a tool would want to try to predict next year's rankings"? If you get into any of those schools I don't really think it matters if its #6 or #11 or f-ing #18. "Ah ****, I ain't going to Stanford, it fell seven spots to number 13. Looks like someone forgot to renew some of NIH grants." Sorry, I think this is ridiculous, much like this whole process.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Another interpretation was that he was referring to himself in the subject. Like a newspaper headline almost <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> --Trek
     
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    Wahoo Senior Member

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    Hey everyone,

    As I said originally, this was just food for thought. I don't particularly care if a school ends up ranked 5th versus 15th, but some people definitely do, so I thought they might want to see these new numbers.

    Everyone already knows about the shortcomings of the US News rankings, so we don't need to go on those rants again here. I just thought it might be interesting to see how these numbers end up effecting schools' overall rankings.
     
  18. LilMissDrDoolittle

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    i thought harvard had the most nih funding by far?? Your list does not seem to suggest that
     
  19. Hercules

    Hercules Son of Zeus

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LilMissDrDoolittle:
    <strong>i thought harvard had the most nih funding by far?? Your list does not seem to suggest that</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They're not even close. Even my little old state school (from the South no less!) beat Harvard in NIH funding. Unfortunately though, I think they're match list crushes ours <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
     
  20. Wahoo

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    Harvard has by far the most NIH funding IF you count their affiliated hospitals. If you consider the medical school alone, they're 20th or so.
     
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    While not in the same ballpark as the top schools, Medical College of Wisconsin increased their NIH funding from 49 Million to 71 million in 1 year. This means the "up and coming" comments I received from several residency interviewers was true. Just had to pump up my own school a little bit.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by I Love Natalie Portman:
    <strong>NIH funding does have a significang impact on USNews rankings (it is a big variable in the equation). Harvard always gets the big bucks. Damn them.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">"I Love Natalie Portman," you shouldn't be so hateful toward Hahvahd. It's where the beautiful Natalie Portman goes!!! :)

    (I helped her do laundry once and didn't even know that it was her... yeah, yeah, I was ignorant.)
     

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