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ButImLETired said:
See, I understand that, but if I'm going to be looking at the rankings at all, it's going to be for stuff like residency director score or whatever, so if one school has 4.9 and the other one has 4.8, it doesn't really matter how many have 4.9- the 4.8 one is just a bit below them, and is therefore "second" in that rank. Blah. I see it both ways, but ties irritate anyway.
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Understandable 😀
 
BrainBuff said:
No need for teasers. And now, the rankings.....2010

TOP 50 MEDICAL RESEARCH

1-Harvard
2-John Hopkins
3-U Penn
4-WashU
5-UCSF
6-Duke
6-Stanford
6-U of Washington
6-Yale
10-Columbia
11-UCLA
11-Michigan
13-U Chicago
13-Pittsburgh
15-UCSD
15-Vanderbilt
17-Baylor-
18-Cornell
19-Northwestern
20-Chapel HIll
20-Dallas
22-Emory
22-Mt Sinai
24- U Virginia
25- Case
25-Mayo
27-Ohio
27-Madison
29-Alabama
29-Denver
31-NYU
31-Iowa
31-U Rochester
34- Brown
35-Boston U
35-Dartmouth
35- Oregon Health
35-Minnesota
39-Georgetown
39- USC
41-Cincinati
41-Yeshiva
43- Maryland
43-Wake Forest
45-Indiana
45-Tufts
45-Irvine
48-UC Davis
48- U Florida
48- U of Mass
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All the UC schools went down a few notches or stayed the same.
 
pntgrd said:
All the UC schools went down a few notches or stayed the same.
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wasn't there someone posting on emory vs vandy thread saying that emory has more potential to go up in rankins (new building BS) vs vandy? vandy went up 1 and emory went down 2... just saying
 
and chicago beats Vandy. Someone was trying to decide between the two.
 
Gosh, UC Davis and Irvine should be ranked higher.
 
drizzt3117 said:
my friend changed a link in another buddy's powerpoint to this during a presentation he made to 200 trustees of the business school... 😱
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😱 damn...that's collegehumor-worthy! I would have killed him, though.

Ok maybe not killed. But maimed, for sure.
 
Boston University ranked at 35? These rankings must have been established pre-Craig's List Killer 🙂
 
mt.sinai nudged up and moved one place in rank, beating Case and Mayo
 
Those previous rankings look about right; I stopped by the campus bookstore on my way to the outpatient offices from the main hospital and it looks legit. However it really looks like nothing has changed from year to year but I can't tell as I don't have previous years' rankings to look at. I do know that the schools I'm considering didn't have any change whatsoever.
 
Here is the way I see it, #s 1-5 are basically the same. 6-15 are basically the same, 16-30 are basically the same, 31-40/50 are basically the same.

In other words nit picking over a few ranking spots is a bad idea and is miniscually (is that a word?) important when it compares to happiness at a specific curriculum/location.
 
TOP 50 MEDICAL SCHOOLS PRIMARY CARE

1- U Wash
2-Chapell Hill
3-Oregon Health
4-Denver
5-UCSF
6-Vermont
7-Mich State Coll Osteopathic Medicine (??)
8-U Mass
7-Minnesota
10-UCLA
10- Iowa
12- Michigan Ann Arbor
12-U Penn
12-Madison
15-Harvard
15-Rochester
17-Baylor
17-Nebraska
17-Pittsburgh
20-Mich State
21-Indiana
22-Darmouth
22-Missouri
22-Wake Forest
22-Yeshiva
26 UCSD
26 WashU
28 -East Carolina
29-Brown
29-U New Mexico
29-Utah
29-U Virginia
29-U Texas Health Sci Ctr
29-Dallas
35- Alabama
37 UC Davis
37-Case Western
37- Hopkins
37-Mayo
40-Ohio State
40-Tufts
42- Emory
42-U Connecticut
42-Maryland
45-Duke
45-Stony Brook
45- Arkansas
45-U Chicago
45-Vanderbilt
50-Med U South Carolina
 
amph119 said:
Here is the way I see it, #s 1-5 are basically the same. 6-15 are basically the same, 16-30 are basically the same, 31-40/50 are basically the same.

In other words nit picking over a few ranking spots is a bad idea and is miniscule when it compares to happiness at a specific curriculum/location.
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Fixed 😛

And yeah, I totally agree. Boo on Mt. Sinai though, made UVA go down a spot. Once we get some of the construction around here done though, we'll move up lol :laugh:

I love reading people's reaction to these rankings and their interpretations, it's pretty funny.
 
what's primary care ranking based on? I don't see why hopkins and mayo are 37
 
Lol, it's really funny that so many people are falling for this.. People, BrainBuff just made those lists up...

rankings are NOT out yet..calm down.
 
I know, i think is kind of stupid. Even if you want to go into primary care, would you give up a Harvard (primary 15) spot for Oregon (primary 3) ?? Ridiculous.
 
anoncurious
lol, it's really funny that so many people are falling for this.. Duh! People, BrainBuff just made those lists up...
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Dude, grow up. I am restraining myself not to insult you now. Please live up to your screen name and stay noncurious
 
anoncurious said:
Lol, it's really funny that so many people are falling for this.. People, BrainBuff just made those lists up...

rankings are NOT out yet..calm down.
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when I went to Ohio State, they made a point to tell us that their ranking has been increasing drastically

Look at their rank now, they are ALMOST tied with Case and Mayo. They made quite a big jump.
 
why are hopkins harvard mayo so low on the primary care totem pole?
 
If schools fell in the top 50 for both research and primary care, here is their averaged ranking:
3.5 - University of Washington
5 - UCSF
7.5 - UPenn
8 - Harvard
10.5 - UCLA
11 - UNC Chapel Hill
11.5 - Michigan
15 - WashU
15 - Pittsburgh
16.5 - Denver
17 - Baylor
19 - Oregon Health
19.5 - Johns Hopkins
19.5 - Wisconsin
20.5 - UCSD
20.5 - Iowa
21 - Minnesota
23 - Rochester
24.5 - UT Southwestern
25.5 - Duke
26.5 - U of Virginia
28 - U Mass
28.5 - Dartmouth
29 - Chicago
30 - Vanderbilt
31 - Case
31 - Mayo
31.5 - Brown
31.5 - Yeshiva
32 - Emory
32 - Alabama
32.5 - Wake Forest
33 - Indiana
33.5 - Ohio State
42.5 - Maryland
42.5 - Tufts
42.5 - UC Davis

Notable research schools missing, and their research rankings:
Stanford – 6
Yale – 6
Columbia – 10
Cornell – 18
Northwestern – 19
Mt. Sinai – 22
NYU – 31
Boston U – 35
Georgetown – 39
USC – 39
Cincinnati – 41
UC Irvine – 45
U of Florida – 48

Notable primary care schools missing, and their primary care rankings:
Vermont – 6
Michigan State College of Osteopathic Medicine – 7
Nebraska – 17
Michigan State – 20
Missouri – 22
East Carolina – 28
U of New Mexico – 29
Utah – 29
U Texas Health Sci. Center – 29
UConn – 42
Stony Brook (SUNY) – 45
Arkansas – 45
Med U of South Carolina – 50
 
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Who cares about primary care rankings. All I care is the research rankings.
 
nice. im gonna withdraw from duke and go to UNC!
 
I'm withdrawing and going to Michigan State College of Osteopathic Medicine!
 
funkymunkytoes said:
If schools fell in the top 50 for both research and primary care, here is their averaged ranking:

Notable research schools missing, and their research rankings:
Columbia – 10
Cornell – 18
Mt. Sinai – 22
NYU – 31
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All Manhattan school are missing from primary care, except AECOM.

I am guessing the massive COA in Manhattan might just make people want to follow the money.
 
this is what college bball and football players feel like every monday of the season...

"coaches poll? who the f cares? id rather play usc than oklahoma. bcs!!!"
 
Handy388 said:
All Manhattan school are missing from primary care, except AECOM.

I am guessing the massive COA in Manhattan might just make people want to follow the money.
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AECOM isn't located in Manhattan.
 
Why do they tie at the highest place? Why not tie all the schools at the lowest one?

And yea, USNews needs to work on a tiebreaker of some sort (most stds, hottest undergrads, etc).
 
mmmcdowe said:
I'd be interested in seeing the combined score out of 200 for research and primary care, then establishing an overall ranking based on that.
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That's what I did (10 or so posts above). Instead I divided by 2 to keep it on the 100 point scale.
 
Ha! Florida beat Miami this time.
 
ButImLETired said:
See, I understand that, but if I'm going to be looking at the rankings at all, it's going to be for stuff like residency director score or whatever, so if one school has 4.9 and the other one has 4.8, it doesn't really matter how many have 4.9- the 4.8 one is just a bit below them, and is therefore "second" in that rank. Blah. I see it both ways, but ties irritate anyway.
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If anyone has those PD scores, would they mind posting them? 🙂
 
funkymunkytoes said:
If schools fell in the top 50 for both research and primary care, here is their averaged ranking:
3.5 - University of Washington
5 - UCSF
7.5 - UPenn
8 - Harvard
10.5 - UCLA
11 - UNC Chapel Hill
11.5 - Michigan
15 - WashU
15 - Pittsburgh
16.5 - Denver
17 - Baylor
19 - Oregon Health
19.5 - Johns Hopkins
19.5 - Wisconsin
20.5 - UCSD
20.5 - Iowa
21 - Minnesota
23 - Rochester
24.5 - UT Southwestern
25.5 - Duke
26.5 - U of Virginia
28 - U Mass
28.5 - Dartmouth
29 - Chicago
30 - Vanderbilt
31 - Case
31 - Mayo
31.5 - Brown
31.5 - Yeshiva
32 - Emory
32 - Alabama
32.5 - Wake Forest
33 - Indiana
33.5 - Ohio State
42.5 - Maryland
42.5 - Tufts
42.5 - UC Davis

Notable research schools missing, and their research rankings:
Stanford – 6
Yale – 6
Columbia – 10
Cornell – 18
Northwestern – 19
Mt. Sinai – 22
NYU – 31
Boston U – 35
Georgetown – 39
USC – 39
Cincinnati – 41
UC Irvine – 45
U of Florida – 48

Notable primary care schools missing, and their primary care rankings:
Vermont – 6
Michigan State College of Osteopathic Medicine – 7
Nebraska – 17
Michigan State – 20
Missouri – 22
East Carolina – 28
U of New Mexico – 29
Utah – 29
U Texas Health Sci. Center – 29
UConn – 42
Stony Brook (SUNY) – 45
Arkansas – 45
Med U of South Carolina – 50
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This is an important list for many reasons:

People think that Primary care has no value when in fact if you look at the methodology you would see that it is weighted higher than res. in the aspect of residency directors rankings. Also on the primary care specialties it churns out including INT. MED. So if you want to go to a competitive IM specialty like Mass Gen. PC rank helps especially in the eyes of their res. dir. Also being a top 40 nih school helps too. (this is all low on their list of priorities behind board scores and clerkship grades, but still there).

All in all I think that this list is good but since research is weighted a little more in the prestige factor I would include the NIH rankings and divide by three to get the most BALANCED PRESTIGIOUS LIST EVA!!!!!! I think I will do that now actually.
 
EternalUnderdog said:
All in all I think that this list is good but since research is weighted a little more in the prestige factor I would include the NIH rankings and divide by three to get the most BALANCED PRESTIGIOUS LIST EVA!!!!!! I think I will do that now actually.
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That would be cool if you did that.
 
EternalUnderdog said:
This is an important list for many reasons:

People think that Primary care has no value when in fact if you look at the methodology you would see that it is weighted higher than res. in the aspect of residency directors rankings. Also on the primary care specialties it churns out including INT. MED. So if you want to go to a competitive IM specialty like Mass Gen. PC rank helps especially in the eyes of their res. dir. Also being a top 40 nih school helps too. (this is all low on their list of priorities behind board scores and clerkship grades, but still there).

All in all I think that this list is good but since research is weighted a little more in the prestige factor I would include the NIH rankings and divide by three to get the most BALANCED PRESTIGIOUS LIST EVA!!!!!! I think I will do that now actually.
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so all else being equal, a mass gen PD for IM would pick a guy from UNC over Hopkins/Duke?

Nothing against UNC at all, I actually like the school a lot.
 
SDN2013 said:
so all else being equal, a mass gen PD for IM would pick a guy from UNC over Hopkins/Duke?

Nothing against UNC at all, I actually like the school a lot.
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or MSUCOM over Wash U?
 
funkymunkytoes said:
I'm glad some people are enjoying my list!
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oh yea. I'm /wrist right now over my wisconsin waitlist. Could have had the same education as hopkins and even better than mayo, damn....
 
EternalUnderdog said:
This is an important list for many reasons:

People think that Primary care has no value when in fact if you look at the methodology you would see that it is weighted higher than res. in the aspect of residency directors rankings. Also on the primary care specialties it churns out including INT. MED. So if you want to go to a competitive IM specialty like Mass Gen. PC rank helps especially in the eyes of their res. dir. Also being a top 40 nih school helps too. (this is all low on their list of priorities behind board scores and clerkship grades, but still there).

All in all I think that this list is good but since research is weighted a little more in the prestige factor I would include the NIH rankings and divide by three to get the most BALANCED PRESTIGIOUS LIST EVA!!!!!! I think I will do that now actually.
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ok the ULTIMATE LIST is done.

1-UCSF
2-UW
3-Penn
4-U mich
-UCLA
5-Wash U.
6-Chapel Hill
7-U Pitt
8-Harvard
9-Hopkins
10-Baylor
11-UCSD
12-Duke

Data from NIH medical school rankings 2009.

This way research is weighted more than PC. and PC is included b/c as it turns out it DOES have some bearing in prestige. There you neurotic pre-meds go. The ULTIMATE LIST. (Yes I am making fun of this thread, but the numbers are accurate)
 
EternalUnderdog said:
ok the ULTIMATE LIST is done.

1-UCSF
2-UW
3-Penn
4-U mich
-UCLA
5-Wash U.
6-Chapel Hill
7-U Pitt
8-Harvard
9-Hopkins
10-Baylor
11-UCSD
12-Duke

Data from NIH medical school rankings 2009.

This way research is weighted more than PC. and PC is included b/c as it turns out it DOES have some bearing in prestige. There you neurotic pre-meds go. The ULTIMATE LIST. (Yes I am making fun of this thread, but the numbers are accurate)
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looks like harvard and hopkins are gonna have a lot of waitlist movement! I hope they waitlisted enough people to fill the class
 
SDN2013 said:
so all else being equal, a mass gen PD for IM would pick a guy from UNC over Hopkins/Duke?

Nothing against UNC at all, I actually like the school a lot.
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I think your thinking about this too much in terms of numbers. Rather, the prestige of the three schools would be in the same tier like a TIE. But the research opportunities at Hopkins and Duke (if done correctly), would increase ones chances for a little bit better research than UNC. So in the eyes of the res. dir for IM at mass gen. The prestige ofthe schools would be equal but the student from JHU and Duke may have had better research due to slightly better opportunites that would look good getting in.
 
EternalUnderdog said:
ok the ULTIMATE LIST is done.

1-UCSF
2-UW
3-Penn
4-U mich
-UCLA
5-Wash U.
6-Chapel Hill
7-U Pitt
8-Harvard
9-Hopkins
10-Baylor
11-UCSD
12-Duke

Data from NIH medical school rankings 2009.

This way research is weighted more than PC. and PC is included b/c as it turns out it DOES have some bearing in prestige. There you neurotic pre-meds go. The ULTIMATE LIST. (Yes I am making fun of this thread, but the numbers are accurate)
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Where's the rest of it? lol. According to the ULTIMATE LIST, Michigan has made Top 5!!111 well, tied for UCLA on the verge of Top 5. :meanie: Clearly UNC is much better of a school than we give it credit for. 😉
 
For the research schools: Program Director Scores

Harvard -4.7
Hopkins-4.8
UPenn -4.4
WashU-4.5
UCSF-4.4
Duke-4.6
Stanford 4.5
U Wash- 4.2
Yale- 4.3
Columbia- 4.4

I just noticed that in the Research category, US News does not have Selectivity rank which it does have for Primary Care. Now, the following is the Selectivity Rank of the top 10 Primary

U Wash - 48
Chapel Hill -36
Oregon -64
Denver -28
UCSF -16
Vermont- 58
Mich Osteopathic 109 !!
U Mass -56
Minnesota -30
UCLA 13
Iowa - 39

The top 10 Primary are not very SELECTIVE. However,

Harvard (15 ranked) Selectivity is 2
Wash U (26 ranked) Selectivity is 1
Hopkins (37 ranked) Selectivity is 3
Chicago (45 ranked) Selectivity is 4

I guess the consensus is that no matter how hard USNews tries with these lists, it is not making the "primaries" more selective
 
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