Top 60 with full tuition vs. Top 35

[Finches]

And everyone called you an idiot.

If not yet, let me be the first to do you the honors: You're An Idiot.

You're welcome.

Not taking cost into that high of a consideration does not equate idiocy. I think the real idiot is the individual who assumes he or she knows another person's circumstance well enough to pass judgment so readily.

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[MedPR]

Success rate = 1% ± 5% (assuming you're related to a board member of the school); otherwise: 3×10^-7 % ± 2×10^-12 % from my calculations.

Pretty successful then.

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[sliceofbread136]

Not taking cost into that high of a consideration does not equate idiocy. I think the real idiot is the individual who assumes he or she knows another person's circumstance well enough to pass judgment so readily.

I agree with this post!

 

[ShenanigansMD]

I think you should go with the school that offers the Top education overall for you, unless you're a huge debt-a-phobe.

 

[Narmerguy]

Wow really? That stinks. If you have just one class where you miss the cut, do they drop the scholarship?

That sounds sketchy to me. I got a couple scholarship offers and all they said was that you have to remain in good academic standing or whatever, no top x% cutoffs

What's tuition like at this school if they drop your scholarship?

Agreed. This is very important.

I'm assuming top 35 means it's ranked between 30-35? Either way, in your position I would take the free education unless there was some really exceptional reason not to (besides the Global Health stuff, which doesn't seem big enough).

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

Don't PDs care about prestige too?

Not in the way we're talking about here. Consistent top 10, top 20 maybe schools? Sure, you might make a bit of an argument for it for some fields. When the OP is saying "top 35" nobody even knows what that means.

 

[darkjedi]

Number one reason for choosing a school should always be where you think you will be happiest. For some people the burden of loans will negatively impact their happiness, for other's prestige or location of a school can trump the burden of loans in terms of affecting their disposition.

The hard part is always deciding how much money is too much. However, for me, because I've come from a career where it was all about sacrificing too much of your life for money, I refused to continue the trend when I switched to medicine.

In the end, Dartmouth is still an Ivy and has the networks and endowment to support a wide network of global and domestic opportunities. Sure the difference in ranking, curriculum and training may be comparable to your state school, but Dartmouth has renowned resources in particular to things like global health and policy work such as at the Dartmouth Institute. Is that stuff worth the extra cost to you? If that's going to be your career, it might be, if you don't care for that stuff however, state school will make you an equally great clinician.

 

[ShenanigansMD]

Me too.

Hey is your avatar John Nash? I'm reading the book and it's literally and figuratively crazy.

btw

 

[Josh7]

Hey is your avatar John Nash? I'm reading the book and it's literally and figuratively crazy.

btw

Yep. He is (was I guess since he's kind of gone now) definitely a genius

 

[darkjedi]

Yep. He is (was I guess since he's kind of gone now) definitely a genius

how is everyone getting these rocket scientist badges??

 

[MedPR]

Not in the way we're talking about here. Consistent top 10, top 20 maybe schools? Sure, you might make a bit of an argument for it for some fields. When the OP is saying "top 35" nobody even knows what that means.

I mean I agree that free top 65 >>>>>>>>> top 35. I was just pointing out that prestige isn't always a pre-med thing.

 

[darkjedi]

did you just like your own post

 

[MedPR]

did you just like your own post

Can't help that I'm the only one posting like-able stuff.

 

[Wait For It]

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[MedPR]

Now that's just bad form.

Edit: Oops, i mean poor form, thread reference fail..

Legendairy is driving me crazy man.

 

[gettheleadout]

Finches, slice, and darkjedi have it right guys.

 

[dartmed]

Number one reason for choosing a school should always be where you think you will be happiest. For some people the burden of loans will negatively impact their happiness, for other's prestige or location of a school can trump the burden of loans in terms of affecting their disposition.

The hard part is always deciding how much money is too much. However, for me, because I've come from a career where it was all about sacrificing too much of your life for money, I refused to continue the trend when I switched to medicine.

In the end, Dartmouth is still an Ivy and has the networks and endowment to support a wide network of global and domestic opportunities. Sure the difference in ranking, curriculum and training may be comparable to your state school, but Dartmouth has renowned resources in particular to things like global health and policy work such as at the Dartmouth Institute. Is that stuff worth the extra cost to you? If that's going to be your career, it might be, if you don't care for that stuff however, state school will make you an equally great clinician.

Hey - it's not Dartmouth. I made this account early in college when Dartmouth was my top choice (mostly because Dr. Kim was its President ). I didn't go to undergrad there. Heck, I didn't even apply there for med school! And the numbers are slightly altered but not by much.

The school that's higher ranked has extremely good networks in global health, but I wouldn't have much time for it, you know what I mean? Since it is my alma mater, I could always go back there during my senior year to do some global health or policy work. Is my alma mater worth the extra 180,000-200,000 dollars? I don't think so/not sure. Especially since it costs an arm to live in this city.

Guys, i would really appreciate if you tried not to guess what my alma mater or what schools I got into. I will reveal all of it soon enough. Thanks!

 

[MedPR]

Hey - it's not Dartmouth. I made this account early in college when Dartmouth was my top choice (mostly because Dr. Kim was its President ). I didn't go to undergrad there. Heck, I didn't even apply there for med school! And the numbers are slightly altered but not by much.

The school that's higher ranked has extremely good networks in global health, but I wouldn't have much time for it, you know what I mean? Since it is my alma mater, I could always go back there during my senior year to do some global health or policy work. Is my alma mater worth the extra 180,000-200,000 dollars? I don't think so/not sure. Especially since it costs an arm to live in this city.

Guys, i would really appreciate if you tried not to guess what my alma mater or what schools I got into. I will reveal all of it soon enough. Thanks!

But the two schools in question might make a difference.

 

[Spinach Dip]

OP: I'm being honest when I say, having to make a decision like this would probably drive me crazy.

If I had to decide right now (before even taking the MCAT...) I would say the free one without question... but, honestly, I know it would come down to a multitude of factors including:

*How close it is to family
*What opportunities are on campus
*Any conditions attached to that hypothetical scholarship
*The climate (I detest excessive humidity)
*Cost of living
*I know I might get called out on this... but how the school is ranked (ie. has anyone outside of the state heard of it before?)

 

[as1212559]

The Tx guy is a bad example of turning down a free school to pay for another, sorry. He is still looking at debt way below the national average by attending the school without the scholarship. Tx is a whole different world.

I'm all for choosing schools based on where you would be happiest, but personally I would think ~150k more debt would be a major factor.

 

[AestheticGod]

Top 60.

 

[487806]

how is everyone getting these rocket scientist badges??

There was a "Buy One, Get Two Free" sale two weeks ago. First come, first serve basis.

 

[487806]

did you just like your own post

There was a "Buy One, Get Two Free" sale two weeks ago. First come, first serve basis.

 

[Titus Times]

Not taking cost into that high of a consideration does not equate idiocy. I think the real idiot is the individual who assumes he or she knows another person's circumstance well enough to pass judgment so readily.

It is pretty common knowledge that Debt is one of the biggest issues concerning the majority of medical students. For someone to willing take on debt or as your impliying pass the tab on to a family member when they did not have to is either idiotic or inconsiderate.

If my mom was actually able to pay for my medical school that doesnt mean I will opt to go to the most expensive one Im accepted to, that shows a lack of maturity and financial knowledge.

 

[sliceofbread136]

It is pretty common knowledge that Debt is one of the biggest issues concerning the majority of medical students. For someone to willing take on debt or as your impliying pass the tab on to a family member when they did not have to is either idiotic or inconsiderate.

If my mom was actually able to pay for my medical school that doesnt mean I will opt to go to the most expensive one Im accepted to, that shows a lack of maturity and financial knowledge.

Not sure where parents paying entered in here, but I thought it was already established that such an absolutist view is narrow-minded?

I'd rather be 150k in debt and happy than have a full ride and miserable. If someone else wouldn't make the same choice, then I don't fault them. But to say someone is immature because they disagree with you? Sounds like a pot calling a kettle black.

 

[CsHead]

I'd rather be 150k in debt and happy than have a full ride and miserable.

Hey man, can I get the number for your dealer? I need to be on whatever you are on.

 

[PeerReviewed]

If you truly want to do Global Health, I'd actually say do the top 35 school... those schools tend to have more connections abroad, so you can easily do research or rotations in foreign countries... They also have better mph programs specifically geared toward global health and tend to have more grants to offer their students to do work abroad. The more experience you build up in the global health sector as a medical student, the more likely you are to land a residency specifically geared towards global health (if that is your desire).

 

[sliceofbread136]

Hey man, can I get the number for your dealer? I need to be on whatever you are on.

Narrow minded and not very clever... goodluck with life lol

 

[sliceofbread136]

Is it really that hard to believe someone would choose their happiness for 4 years over money

 

[CsHead]

Narrow minded and not very clever... goodluck with life lol

Is it really that hard to believe someone would choose their happiness for 4 years over money

That's absolutely hilarious coming from you bro. I am glad you have a different perspective, it makes the world a better place (options). I merely just wanted some of what you are on because I don't think I'll be sporting that outlook anytime in the next couple of decades.

 

[AestheticGod]

Is it really that hard to believe someone would choose their happiness for 4 years over money

Strong name to post correlation.

 

[sliceofbread136]

That's absolutely hilarious coming from you bro. I am glad you have a different perspective, it makes the world a better place (options). I merely just wanted some of what you are on because I don't think I'll be sporting that outlook anytime in the next couple of decades.

Well that's fine, people are entitled to different opinions. Different things are more important to different people.

And my new year's resolution is to try and be more accepting and pleasant in general Not sure how good a job I've been doing...

 

[CsHead]

Well that's fine, people are entitled to different opinions. Different things are more important to different people.

And my new year's resolution is to try and be more accepting and pleasant in general Not sure how good a job I've been doing...

Narrow minded and not very clever... goodluck with life lol

I'd say... keep trying.

 

[sliceofbread136]

I'd say... keep trying.

It's a hard habit to kick

 

[CsHead]

It's a hard habit to kick

 

[MedPR]

true story.

 

[pre med 2014]

this thread title looks like something from top-law-schools.com

 

[darkjedi]

It is so unnecessary to put down someone for having different priorities than you. For some people, some things are worth the cost. Just as how not everyone's career plan is to become a PCP.

 

[Spinach Dip]

I'd rather be 150k in debt and happy than have a full ride and miserable.

Hey man, can I get the number for your dealer? I need to be on whatever you are on.

It goes by the street name "real life", and trust me, it's a hell of a thing.

 

[CsHead]

It goes by the street name "real life", and trust me, it's a hell of a thing.

I'm sorry, can you try that again. What is this "real life" you speak of.

 

[circulus vitios]

Not sure where parents paying entered in here, but I thought it was already established that such an absolutist view is narrow-minded?

I'd rather be 150k in debt and happy than have a full ride and miserable. If someone else wouldn't make the same choice, then I don't fault them. But to say someone is immature because they disagree with you? Sounds like a pot calling a kettle black.

I'd rather have a $150k sports car or a $150k down payment on a house but that's just me.

 

[gettheleadout]

ITT: Closed minds, closed wallets.

 

[circulus vitios]

ITT: Closed minds, closed wallets.

Hypothetically: $40k/year tuition, $20k/year COL, 6.8% interest. Assume $200k/year income or approximately $11k/mo take-home.

No scholarship: 25% of take-home for 10 years, totaling $331k in payments; 14% of take-home for 30 years, totaling $563k in payments;

Full tuition scholarship: 8% of take-home for 10 years, totaling $110k in payments; 5% of take-home for 30 years, totaling $187k in payments.

 

[sliceofbread136]

ITT: Closed minds, closed wallets.

You only say this because you aren't mature and haven't experienced real life

...

 

[sliceofbread136]

It is so unnecessary to put down someone for having different priorities than you. For some people, some things are worth the cost. Just as how not everyone's career plan is to become a PCP.

I don't think you'll convince anyone of anything. They have everything figured out and you'll just be written off as immature or not in real-life or whatever.

 

[CsHead]

You only say this because you aren't mature and haven't experienced real life

...

It's a hard habit to kick

Come on now, bro

 

[sliceofbread136]

Come on now, bro

You missed the sarcasm. I guess I shouldve put the sarcasm smiley

 

[CsHead]

You missed the sarcasm. I guess I shouldve put the sarcasm smiley

Definitely... meaning changed completely.

 

[sliceofbread136]

Definitely... meaning changed completely.

I don't see how you can say it didn't

 

[gettheleadout]

Hypothetically: $40k/year tuition, $20k/year COL, 6.8% interest. Assume $200k/year income or approximately $11k/mo take-home.

No scholarship: 25% of take-home for 10 years, totaling $331k in payments; 14% of take-home for 30 years, totaling $563k in payments;

Full tuition scholarship: 8% of take-home for 10 years, totaling $110k in payments; 5% of take-home for 30 years, totaling $187k in payments.

It's just money bro.

I don't see how you can say it didn't

Don't worry slice, I got the sarcasm.