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What are considered the top 5 or 10 medical schools in Europe? Not the top 10 for foreigners, or the top 10 in English, but just the top 10 overall for Europeans.
Top European Med Schools
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fedor said:
If it is based strictly on reputation, I'd nominate the following.
- Oxford
- Cambridge
- One or more of the London medical schools
- Charité (Berlin)
- Karolinska (Stockholm)
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From the Times Higher Education Supplement (registration required, but they provide a free 14 day trial, I took the liberty of posting it, so you need not register):
Top 100 biomedicine universities (I added the BOLD for European countries)
2005 rank, 2004 rank, Institution, Country, Peer Score, Citations per paper
1 1 Harvard University US 100 28.5
2 2 Cambridge University UK 95.8 23
3 3 Oxford University UK 84.3 23
4 7 Karolinska Institute Sweden 83.8 16.3
5 5 Stanford University US 81 27.2
6 4 Imperial College London UK 80.9 14.2
7 6 Johns Hopkins University US 77.7 23.6
8 11 Beijing University China 69.5 -
9 9 University of California, Berkeley US 69.2 26.5
10 14 Melbourne University Australia 67.7 12
11 8 Yale University US 63.9 24.7
12 13 Tokyo University Japan 61.5 16
13 12 Massachusetts Institute of Technology US 60.6 40.9
14 10 University of California, San Diego US 59.1 25.9
15 25 National University of Singapore Singapore 58.5 -
16 21 Edinburgh University UK 57.5 17.9
17 16 Heidelberg University Germany 56 14.1
18 15 Sydney University Australia 55.1 -
19 18 University of California, San Francisco US 54.9 25.5
20 20 University of Toronto Canada 54.4 17
21 34 Australian National University Australia 53.4 -
22 19 University College London UK 53.2 18.6
23 17 Duke University US 52.1 21.8
24 27 McGill University Canada 51.7 18.9
25 23 Columbia University US 50.6 22.2
26 24 Cornell University US 50.5 20.8
27 28 Kyoto University Japan 50.1 16.7
28 37 Monash University Australia 48.8 12.1
29= 30 Kings College London UK 45 13.6
29= 45 Queensland University Australia 45 -
31 62 University of British Columbia Canada 44.6 15.9
32 22 University of California, Los Angeles US 44.2 19.4
33 36 Auckland University New Zealand 43.9 -
34 - York University UK 43.6 -
35 49 Fudan University China 43 -
36 26 Princeton University US 42.7 -
37 48 Hong Kong University Hong Kong 42.1 -
38 35 California Institute of Technology US 41.5 -
39 29 Helsinki University Finland 40.8 15.7
40 31 Vienna University Austria 40.5 -
41 68 University of New South Wales Australia 40.4 -
42 - Baylor College of Medicine US 39.6 21.8
43 40 Boston University US 38.7 18.8
44 38 Munich University Germany 37.8 13.2
45 46 University of Michigan US 37.7 19.5
46 32 Humboldt University, Berlin Germany 37.5 12.4
47 - Queensland University of Technol Australia 37.2 -
48= 41 Washington University US 36.5 21.8
48= 56 Chinese University of Hong Kong Hong Kong 36.5 -
50= 61 Otago University New Zealand 36.2 -
50= 89 Hong Kong Univ of Sci and Technol Hong Kong 36.2 -
52 42 University of Chicago US 35.9 23
53= 33 ETH Zurich Switzerland 34.8 -
53= - Macquarie University Australia 34.8 -
55 51 Erasmus University Rotterdam Netherlands 34.7 19.1
56 43 Univ Louis Pasteur Strasbourg I France 34.6 -
57 81 Adelaide University Australia 34.3 -
58 90 University of Pennsylvania US 33.8 19.3
59 38 Frankfurt University Germany 33.6 13.3
60 74 New York University US 33.5 19.3
61 47 Free University Berlin Germany 33.3 13.4
62 - Indian Institutes of Technology India 33.2 -
63 - Newcastle University Australia 32.9 -
64 55 Washington University, St Louis US 32.6 25.3
65 43 Pierre and Marie Curie University France 32.5 -
66= 80 Manchester University and Umist UK 31.9 14.6
66= - Seoul National University South Korea 31.9 -
68= 50 Florence University Italy 31.4 -
68= 54 Aarhus University Denmark 31.4 12.7
70 - Uppsala University Sweden 31.3 14.1
71= 63 Amsterdam University Netherlands 31.2 15.8
71= 57 Hebrew University of Jerusalem Israel 31.2 14.9
73 52 Göttingen University Germany 31 12.2
74 67 São Paulo University Brazil 30.9 -
75 81 Tsing Hua University China 30.4 -
76 53 South Australia University Australia 30.3 -
77 - Zurich University Switzerland 30.1 15.9
78= 84 Glasgow University UK 30 15.8
78= - Copenhagen University Denmark 30 13.5
80 93 Penn State University US 29.9 16.4
81 57 Innsbruck University Austria 29.8 -
82= 60 Chulalongkorn University Thailand 29.2 -
82= - Malaya University Malaysia 29.2 -
82= 90 Osaka University Japan 29.2 17.1
82= 96 Western Australia University Australia 29.2 -
86= 93 Nanjing University China 29 -
86= - La Trobe University Australia 29 -
86= - University of Technology, Sydney Australia 29 -
89 83 Tel Aviv University Israel 28.9 -
90= 76 Lomonosov Moscow State University Russia 28.8 -
90= - Catholic University Leuven (Flemish) Belgium 28.8 15.2
92= - Carnegie Mellon University US 28.7 -
92= - University of Wisconsin-Madison US 28.7 17.7
94 64 Vanderbilt University US 28.6 21.2
95 59 University of California, Davis US 28.4 14.3
96 90 Hokkaido University Japan 27.7 -
97 100 Southern California University US 27.6 18
98= - Purdue University US 27.5 -
98= 96 Lund University Sweden 27.5 13.7
100 74 Tübingen-Reutlingen University Germany 27.4 12.3
Top 100 biomedicine universities (I added the BOLD for European countries)
2005 rank, 2004 rank, Institution, Country, Peer Score, Citations per paper
1 1 Harvard University US 100 28.5
2 2 Cambridge University UK 95.8 23
3 3 Oxford University UK 84.3 23
4 7 Karolinska Institute Sweden 83.8 16.3
5 5 Stanford University US 81 27.2
6 4 Imperial College London UK 80.9 14.2
7 6 Johns Hopkins University US 77.7 23.6
8 11 Beijing University China 69.5 -
9 9 University of California, Berkeley US 69.2 26.5
10 14 Melbourne University Australia 67.7 12
11 8 Yale University US 63.9 24.7
12 13 Tokyo University Japan 61.5 16
13 12 Massachusetts Institute of Technology US 60.6 40.9
14 10 University of California, San Diego US 59.1 25.9
15 25 National University of Singapore Singapore 58.5 -
16 21 Edinburgh University UK 57.5 17.9
17 16 Heidelberg University Germany 56 14.1
18 15 Sydney University Australia 55.1 -
19 18 University of California, San Francisco US 54.9 25.5
20 20 University of Toronto Canada 54.4 17
21 34 Australian National University Australia 53.4 -
22 19 University College London UK 53.2 18.6
23 17 Duke University US 52.1 21.8
24 27 McGill University Canada 51.7 18.9
25 23 Columbia University US 50.6 22.2
26 24 Cornell University US 50.5 20.8
27 28 Kyoto University Japan 50.1 16.7
28 37 Monash University Australia 48.8 12.1
29= 30 Kings College London UK 45 13.6
29= 45 Queensland University Australia 45 -
31 62 University of British Columbia Canada 44.6 15.9
32 22 University of California, Los Angeles US 44.2 19.4
33 36 Auckland University New Zealand 43.9 -
34 - York University UK 43.6 -
35 49 Fudan University China 43 -
36 26 Princeton University US 42.7 -
37 48 Hong Kong University Hong Kong 42.1 -
38 35 California Institute of Technology US 41.5 -
39 29 Helsinki University Finland 40.8 15.7
40 31 Vienna University Austria 40.5 -
41 68 University of New South Wales Australia 40.4 -
42 - Baylor College of Medicine US 39.6 21.8
43 40 Boston University US 38.7 18.8
44 38 Munich University Germany 37.8 13.2
45 46 University of Michigan US 37.7 19.5
46 32 Humboldt University, Berlin Germany 37.5 12.4
47 - Queensland University of Technol Australia 37.2 -
48= 41 Washington University US 36.5 21.8
48= 56 Chinese University of Hong Kong Hong Kong 36.5 -
50= 61 Otago University New Zealand 36.2 -
50= 89 Hong Kong Univ of Sci and Technol Hong Kong 36.2 -
52 42 University of Chicago US 35.9 23
53= 33 ETH Zurich Switzerland 34.8 -
53= - Macquarie University Australia 34.8 -
55 51 Erasmus University Rotterdam Netherlands 34.7 19.1
56 43 Univ Louis Pasteur Strasbourg I France 34.6 -
57 81 Adelaide University Australia 34.3 -
58 90 University of Pennsylvania US 33.8 19.3
59 38 Frankfurt University Germany 33.6 13.3
60 74 New York University US 33.5 19.3
61 47 Free University Berlin Germany 33.3 13.4
62 - Indian Institutes of Technology India 33.2 -
63 - Newcastle University Australia 32.9 -
64 55 Washington University, St Louis US 32.6 25.3
65 43 Pierre and Marie Curie University France 32.5 -
66= 80 Manchester University and Umist UK 31.9 14.6
66= - Seoul National University South Korea 31.9 -
68= 50 Florence University Italy 31.4 -
68= 54 Aarhus University Denmark 31.4 12.7
70 - Uppsala University Sweden 31.3 14.1
71= 63 Amsterdam University Netherlands 31.2 15.8
71= 57 Hebrew University of Jerusalem Israel 31.2 14.9
73 52 Göttingen University Germany 31 12.2
74 67 São Paulo University Brazil 30.9 -
75 81 Tsing Hua University China 30.4 -
76 53 South Australia University Australia 30.3 -
77 - Zurich University Switzerland 30.1 15.9
78= 84 Glasgow University UK 30 15.8
78= - Copenhagen University Denmark 30 13.5
80 93 Penn State University US 29.9 16.4
81 57 Innsbruck University Austria 29.8 -
82= 60 Chulalongkorn University Thailand 29.2 -
82= - Malaya University Malaysia 29.2 -
82= 90 Osaka University Japan 29.2 17.1
82= 96 Western Australia University Australia 29.2 -
86= 93 Nanjing University China 29 -
86= - La Trobe University Australia 29 -
86= - University of Technology, Sydney Australia 29 -
89 83 Tel Aviv University Israel 28.9 -
90= 76 Lomonosov Moscow State University Russia 28.8 -
90= - Catholic University Leuven (Flemish) Belgium 28.8 15.2
92= - Carnegie Mellon University US 28.7 -
92= - University of Wisconsin-Madison US 28.7 17.7
94 64 Vanderbilt University US 28.6 21.2
95 59 University of California, Davis US 28.4 14.3
96 90 Hokkaido University Japan 27.7 -
97 100 Southern California University US 27.6 18
98= - Purdue University US 27.5 -
98= 96 Lund University Sweden 27.5 13.7
100 74 Tübingen-Reutlingen University Germany 27.4 12.3
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Miklos
Note that the above list is heavily biased in favor of research. For instance, it lists:
9 9 University of California, Berkeley US 69.2 26.5
13 12 Massachusetts Institute of Technology US 60.6 40.9
38 35 California Institute of Technology US 41.5 -
None of which have medical schools.
9 9 University of California, Berkeley US 69.2 26.5
13 12 Massachusetts Institute of Technology US 60.6 40.9
38 35 California Institute of Technology US 41.5 -
None of which have medical schools.
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I think Miklos has seen me rant about this before but I'm fairly suspicious of the Times Biomedical rankings. They are supposed to be largely based on research but I don't think they take into account that in some countries medical schools are jointly owned by universities and hospitals and most biomedical research is conducted at institutes associated with these hospitals. One consequence of this was that one of the French schools the Times ranked in its top 100 for Biomedicine last year didn't even have a medical school or any science researchers whatsoever. (It was a humanities school.) Meanwhile, they overlooked what is traditionally considered the best med school in France even though it has the largest centre of excellence for Biomedical research. It just so happens that most of this research is conducted at its institutes and hospitals.Miklos said:
As for picking the "best" European med schools, it would make a lot more sense to decide what criteria are most important to you and compare each country's approach to medical education. Frankly, this varies from country to country. But within any given country the approach and quality of education of its schools is likely not going to vary a lot. For instance, in some countries med students do not have the opportunity to do research alongside their medical studies, in others it might be expected. Some countries have two years of clinical training and others have three. In some countries you start at a hospital near the beginning of your studies and others you have to wait a bit.
In France, there are no med school League Tables like in the UK or US News & World Report rankings. Instead, medical school reputation is more associated with the prestige of its training hospitals and, to a lesser extent, how well its students do on a comprehensive exam at the end of their studies. There is also a national competition for a special research school (which is complementary to med school and different from just doing a joint research degree, which is also possible) that is only open to the best medical students and all candidates must pass a very difficult exam to be accepted. Many medical schools have never had a student pass this exam whereas a couple of schools' students have done extremely well and, frankly, make up the bulk of this school.
If you are considering a French school, the regions of Paris, Montpellier, Toulouse, Grenoble and Bordeaux all have good schools and good training hospitals. In particular, Paris and Grenoble are intended to be the main centres of biomedical research and Paris has a couple of famous training hospitals. If you want more detailed info about specific schools, please let me know.
BTW, if you are doing this to choose a school to study at, the ability to speak the language and an attraction to a country's culture should be at least as important as the school itself. Otherwise, you could have a horrible experience.
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Thank you both for the replies. Very helpful.
I'm already an MS in the US. I was just interested in what are the strongest programs in Europe out of curiosity.
I agree with the above that the Times rankings are misleading.
I'm already an MS in the US. I was just interested in what are the strongest programs in Europe out of curiosity.
I agree with the above that the Times rankings are misleading.
