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Traffic violations counting as "criminal convictions"?

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by burntfries, Aug 8, 2006.

  1. burntfries

    burntfries Senior Member
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    According to UVM, apparently they do. Now my problem is, i've received 2 tickets in the past two years: one for a rolling stop, the other an illegal left-hand turn. I attended traffic school for one, and paid for the other. And while I have no problem listing them, I've submitted 5 secondaries before this saying I had no convictions (I didnt' realize that some schools would count traffic violations as convictions until I read UVM's secondary). What should I do? Call the schools and ask if they need to know about my tickets, then ask if I can modify my secondaries? Or is UVM one of few exceptions that count tickets as criminal convictions?

    UVM's criminal conviction policy found on their secondary app:

    Criminal Conviction

    Parking violations are the only convictions you are not required to document. Please follow these guidelines:

    For speeding tickets: you do not need to list them if they occurred 5 years ago or longer. For all other tickets, you must list them on the supplemental application. In addition, if you have received four (4) or more tickets in the past two (2) years, you must list them on the supplemental application and submit copies of the documentation of the offenses. Please contact the jurisdiction(s) that issued the tickets to have copies submitted to the Office of Admissions.

    Other Convictions: all other convictions must be listed on the supplemental application and documentation provided to the Office of Admissions, regardless of the amount of time that has passed. As noted on the Supplemental Application, failure to provide accurate information may provide grounds for disciplinary action, including dismissal or revocation of an offer of admission. Admitted students who enroll at UVM COM may be subject to a criminal record check before the beginning of classes in August 2007.
     
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  3. mshheaddoc

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    You have got to be kidding me.

    That sucks. :(

    This is the first time I've ever heard of anyone having to list moving violations as "criminal". I wouldn't worry about the other schools. This seems to be a blip on the outskirts of the secondary radar.
     
  4. hopster

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    yea, that coupled with having to report the populations of the cities you have lived in kinda blew me away. lol
     
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    doctors should be so perfect that they do not speed ever...end of story
     
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    After seeing your title I opened this thread to ask you if you were crazy...but seeing that info in your post I must conclude that the school is crazy instead!
     
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    That is psychotic.
     
  8. C.P. Jones

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    i think most of the other schools say "excluding minor traffic violations", so i wouldn't worry about it for the other schools.
     
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    how absurd
     
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    Wow... I have had speeding tickets but don't remember if they were 5 years ago or not... Give me a break though... Its not like the red flag your application based on speeding tickets... What a joke.
     
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    The school is indeed kind of crazy, although I guess 30 speeding tickets in the last 5 years might be a red flag. You only have 2 traffic violations, so you are by no means a criminal.

    My own question is: I accidentaly startedand scratched my mom's car when I was 4 and trying to open the sunroof, does that mean I am unfit to be a doctor????? (This really happened, and I just couldn't resist asking :laugh: )
     
  12. burntfries

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    lol. thanks guys...it's good to know that i'm not going crazy. =p
     
  13. GWmdwannabe

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    Well, they ask about traffic violations in the past five years. Unless you're an 8 year old applicant, I think you'll be fine.
     
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    is uvm the only school that does this?
     
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    Cincinnati asks for moving violations and criminal offenses. So no. UVM is not the only school.
     
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    I'm just curious. Can we just turn a blind eye to this whole ordeal?

    It seems absurd that you have to report traffic violations under the category of anything criminal.

    I know it's wrong and immoral and petty and what not, but seriously, can we just decide not to do so and claim that we didn't feel such incidents were pertinent assuming that someone asked about traffic violations.

    There are so many technicalities in the process that I think it's sometimes ok to bend the rules.

    Feel free to agree or disagree with me,
    -Dr. P.
     
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    You only admit to what the school requires you to admit to.

    If they only ask for "felony" convictions, then don't mention an MIP drinking ticket, let alone a speeding ticket.

    FWIW, I am probably not going to bother with UVM anymore. Their loss.
     
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    hahaha i didnt read any of the felony sections for my secondaries... this comes as a huge surprise. i jsut got my first speeding ticket the other day too. i was thinkign id just pay the 200 dollars and get it over with.. but it looks like ill fight it now.
     
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    ALWAYS fight your tickets... Cop doesn't show up means you don't pay a dime and it doesn't go on your record. (Just look spiffy in court).
     
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    Yeah, Cinci is the only other one I encountered that asks for it, but they still call moving violations just that....moving violations. They don't really lump then into "criminal" activity. That seems to be a bit of an overexaggeration of the magnitude of the offense :rolleyes:
     
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    yea.. i was introduced to a site called ticketassasin.com. havent checked it out yet but i hear it works. I was also slapped with a failure to produce insurance too because i was carrying an expired insurance card. ultra lame.. :( do you know if thats hard to fight?
     
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    Yes it is... That sucks. The only way you can get out of "failure to present insurance" or something like that is proving to the court that you had valid no-fault insurance at the time of the ticket. If it was expired you are out of luck.

    However, I think it stands in most jurisdictions that if the police officer fails to show up for your court date the magistrate will drop the charges.

    Those fines are only there to get your money anyway.
     
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    Oh yea i definently have insurance.. i guess ill fight this sucker and hopefully beat it.
     
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    If your insurance was valid at the time of the ticket then you won't get a fine/ticket after the hearing. Just bring it with you.
     
  25. Depakote

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    Thanks Wiki.

    And OP. UVM is the only place that I know of that considers them criminal... Cinci asks for them specifically, but CRIMINAL???
     
  26. Yeah...its crazy. I just filled out a general job application for UCLA med center. Its online and when you want to apply for a job, you can just click the job and the app will be sent. Anyway, it asked for traffic convictions as part of it misdemeanor/felony section too! What is the world coming to? :eek:
     
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    Traffic violations count as criminal if it involves throwing bottles out of your window while speeding 30+ over the limit with a .19 BAC, while a naked prostitute is on your lap and your best friend is smoking a doobie in the back seat while counting the money he just swiped from the convenience store next to the gas station that you peeled out of without paying for gas before running over a pedestrian and fleeing the scene through a red light. Oh yeh, and your left tail light is out and you have to pee something fierce.
     
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    Really, that counts?

    I guess I have some schools to contact...
     

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