Tragedy as 2 year old left in hot car dies, husband charged with 1st degree murder, wife is an anesthesiologist.

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Terrible and preventable tragedy. My heart breaks for this family, but at the same time a tremendous amount of anger. Christopher Scholtes apparently has a long history of leaving his kids in the car

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Yeah this was not the typical “last minute schedule change, dad has baby on a random day, parks car at work etc”

He deliberately left her in car for hours on a crazy hot day
 
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They will throw the book at him.

But women who do the exact same thing (this lady has done it before leaving child in car) it was not her first time. She got off with just a suspended sentence. So the courts still have more compassion for women mothers

 
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Terrible and preventable tragedy. My heart breaks for this family, but at the same time a tremendous amount of anger. Christopher Scholtes apparently has a long history of leaving his kids in the car
Leaving kids in the car multiple times on purpose and being warned by your wife to stop doing it is grounds for divorce due to child endangerment in my opinion.
 
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The charge is murder instead of manslaughter. There must be a presumed motive here like in the Atlanta case several years ago.
 
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My points mentioning the Virgina case was more sympathy for the mother.

This is a dad who’s clueless just like the Virginia mother who had previously left her child in the car. Except the first time it was winter so the child survived.
 
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There's no excuse for leaving your child in the car. I've never left my child in the car even with my ADHD. Yet this happens with regular frequency across our country.

In the majority of these cases, I don't believe these people are bad parents. They forgot and made a mistake - a terrible one that will haunt them for the rest of their lives. I feel like that is more than enough punishment.

If we approach this from a systems perspective, like we do errors in healthcare, I feel the majority of these cases shouldn't be prosecuted. Jail does nothing to prevent these incidents from occurring. I'm not saying don't hold these parents accountable in some way, but I think we should be looking at this from a systems perspective to find ways to prevent this from happening. A parent that misses a red light or falls asleep at the wheel and has an MVA resulting in the death of their child probably isn't getting charged. How is this different?

The rental car I used recently reminded me to check the back seat when I turned the ignition off. That's a start. With the technology we have today, there should be a way to plug the car seat or the base into the car. If the child is buckled, then the car gives you an audio reminder or maybe you can't turn off the vehicle until the harness is unbuckled. Or maybe the solution is a weight sensor in each seat in the back which gives you a reminder when putting the car in park.. The cost to implement this wouldn't be that significant. Most front passenger seats have a weight sensor already for the airbags. Another idea is a device that attaches to the car seat and simply listens for the sound of the car's engine. If it's turned off, the device alarms.

I feel technology in new cars could drastically reduce the number of these deaths.
 
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There was a case recently where the mother purposely left her child in the car for a few hours while working an Amazon shift. She left the car running. They suspect the child, at some point, turned the engine odd. She took a nap and died in her sleep from the heat. Mother didn't immediately call for help when she came to car and found her child breathing shallow and foaming at the mouth. That's a case that should definitely be prosecuted. There's no excuse when you knowingly leave your child in the car.

 
There's no excuse for leaving your child in the car. I've never left my child in the car even with my ADHD. Yet this happens with regular frequency across our country.

In the majority of these cases, I don't believe these people are bad parents. They forgot and made a mistake - a terrible one that will haunt them for the rest of their lives. I feel like that is more than enough punishment.

If we approach this from a systems perspective, like we do errors in healthcare, I feel the majority of these cases shouldn't be prosecuted. Jail does nothing to prevent these incidents from occurring. I'm not saying don't hold these parents accountable in some way, but I think we should be looking at this from a systems perspective to find ways to prevent this from happening. A parent that misses a red light or falls asleep at the wheel and has an MVA resulting in the death of their child probably isn't getting charged. How is this different?

The rental car I used recently reminded me to check the back seat when I turned the ignition off. That's a start. With the technology we have today, there should be a way to plug the car seat or the base into the car. If the child is buckled, then the car gives you an audio reminder or maybe you can't turn off the vehicle until the harness is unbuckled. Or maybe the solution is a weight sensor in each seat in the back which gives you a reminder when putting the car in park.. The cost to implement this wouldn't be that significant. Most front passenger seats have a weight sensor already for the airbags. Another idea is a device that attaches to the car seat and simply listens for the sound of the car's engine. If it's turned off, the device alarms.

I feel technology in new cars could drastically reduce the number of these deaths.

Yes this is a big debate back and forth (how much to hold individual parents responsible vs how much of this is a systems issue) although I will say that there is plenty of precedent that "accidentally" causing someone else's death isn't an excuse legally....it's just called involuntary manslaughter. The major debate is around whether punishing these parents is having the effect we want (which would primarily be deterrence to make others think before doing something similar).

However, that isn't this case. This dude is a POS:


"One of the kids said Scholtes had left them in the car alone about 59 times in the past.
His past of leaving them in the car is supported by text messages between him and his wife Erika, one read "I told you to stop leaving them in the car, how many times have I told you."

"Investigators were able to obtain surveillance video from July 9th, the day the Scholtes’ daughter died. They determined he was at a local grocery store prior without his children with him likely left in the car, before returning to the home he stopped at a gas station, walked inside, and was seen on video entering the restroom with a case of beer, he walked out beer in hand never purchasing the items."
 
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Yes this is a big debate back and forth (how much to hold individual parents responsible vs how much of this is a systems issue) although I will say that there is plenty of precedent that "accidentally" causing someone else's death isn't an excuse legally....it's just called involuntary manslaughter. The major debate is around whether punishing these parents is having the effect we want (which would primarily be deterrence to make others think before doing something similar).

However, that isn't this case. This dude is a POS:


"One of the kids said Scholtes had left them in the car alone about 59 times in the past.
His past of leaving them in the car is supported by text messages between him and his wife Erika, one read "I told you to stop leaving them in the car, how many times have I told you."

"Investigators were able to obtain surveillance video from July 9th, the day the Scholtes’ daughter died. They determined he was at a local grocery store prior without his children with him likely left in the car, before returning to the home he stopped at a gas station, walked inside, and was seen on video entering the restroom with a case of beer, he walked out beer in hand never purchasing the items."
Agreed. My comment was more general. I also think it should be a manslaughter, not murder.
 
People get consumed with video gaming he probably thought 30 min passed when it really was 4 hrs.

He’s really screwed if they have him on camera not even bringing the child inside the grocery store. That will full intent twice in the same time frame.
 
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People get consumed with video gaming he probably thought 30 min passed when it really was 4 hrs.

He’s really screwed if they have him on camera not even bringing the child inside the grocery store. That will full intent twice in the same time frame.

Why a grown ass man with a 9yo, 5yo and 2yo (assumed to be) in the house would be so distracted by video games that he's not even paying attention to where these kids are for hours doesn't exactly look good either.....

Looks like there was a pattern of behavior here and the pattern isn't good.
 
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Why a grown ass man with a 9yo, 5yo and 2yo (assumed to be) in the house would be so distracted by video games that he's not even paying attention to where these kids are for hours doesn't exactly look good either.....

Looks like there was a pattern of behavior here and the pattern isn't good.
Reading more
1. Previous dui
2. Teenage kid from another relationship said he did the same thing leave her when she was younger in the xae
3. His current wife text acknowledging he drinks too much and has left the kid in the car multiple times.

She’s 35 and he’s 37. Probably met the dude on tinder. He’s got another kid already.

If I were Alvin Bragg DA for manhattan New York. I’d be just as aggressive as Bragg when he went after trump. And charge the mom anesthesia doc for neglect as well. She knew he has a drinking problem and previously endangers the children.
 
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Why a grown ass man with a 9yo, 5yo and 2yo (assumed to be) in the house would be so distracted by video games that he's not even paying attention to where these kids are for hours doesn't exactly look good either.....

Looks like there was a pattern of behavior here and the pattern isn't good.

Doesn’t the article also mention he went into the bathroom at a gas station with a case of beer and then walked out of the bathroom with a beer in his hand but didn’t pay for it. Was he chugging beer in there? Was he day drinking while watching his kids? This guy seems to have had several issues.
 
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Doesn’t the article also mention he went into the bathroom at a gas station with a case of beer and then walked out of the bathroom with a beer in his hand but didn’t pay for it. Was he chugging beer in there? Was he day drinking while watching his kids? This guy seems to have had several issues.
This Alvin Bragg DA needs to prosecute the mom for her knowing this was going on. I’m not trying to make fun of this. This is serious stuff. The mom knew this went on. She’s not innocent.
 
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This guy deserves to rot the rest of his miserable life in prison. My opinion. The details only get worse and worse.

In a serious society, one could place him in the back of a car on a hot Arizona day. Give him his beloved distracting phone and all the alcohol he can chug. Every time he attempts to open a window, he gets a free dose of atropine. If he touches a door handle, he gets roc.

Theoretically, of course.
 
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People online are blasting the mother who wasn't even there saying that she should have prevented this.

From what I understand, this has been a pattern of behavior from him.

She also asked the judge to allow him to be released on bond etc.


Why she decided to hitch her wagon to this loser is surprising.

Throw him in prison for life.
 
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The phenomenon of accomplished, together women marrying 'man-boys' is a thing, apparently...
 
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From what I understand, this has been a pattern of behavior from him.

She also asked the judge to allow him to be released on bond etc.


Why she decided to hitch her wagon to this loser is surprising.

Throw him in prison for life.
There are a lot of female docs (not just anesthesia docs) who marry who we call “losers”. Love is blind. But many male docs marry female “losers” as well who don’t really bring anything to the table.

Sometimes we marry the wrong partners. Marriage is a partnership. If dude was not working. He had one job to do. That’s to take care of the kids. He couldn’t even do that.

I’m shocked the judge would even let him have supervised time with the children after all this.
 
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There are a lot of female docs (not just anesthesia docs) who marry who we call “losers”. Love is blind. But many male docs marry female “losers” as well who don’t really bring anything to the table.

Sometimes we marry the wrong partners. Marriage is a partnership. If dude was not working. He had one job to do. That’s to take care of the kids. He couldn’t even do that.

I’m shocked the judge would even let him have supervised time with the children after all this.

No need to use quotes around loser. This guy is a true loser. He's not even a trophy husband.

Isn't good looking.
Constantly leaving the kids in the car unattended. Couldn't even be bothered to bring them inside and put a tablet or phone in front of them.

The guys a cold hearted maniac. He should never be let out of prison.
 
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They should lock him in a hot car for about 12 hours. Save us taxpayers some money.
 
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The charge is murder instead of manslaughter. There must be a presumed motive here like in the Atlanta case several years ago.
Look at provision A3 here 13-1104 - Second degree murder; classification

The state is using the “extreme indifference to human life” and “reckless endangerment” provisions to upgrade what would otherwise be a manslaughter charge in AZ. I doubt that many of us will object.

Just a FYI, not every state has a “manslaughter” statute that covers the spectrum of accidental homicide. Some use second or third degree murder as a charge to reflect unintentional homicide that would be charged as manslaughter in many other states.
 
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Look at provision A3 here 13-1104 - Second degree murder; classification

The state is using the “extreme indifference to human life” and “reckless endangerment” provisions to upgrade what would otherwise be a manslaughter charge in AZ. I doubt that many of us will object.

Just a FYI, not every state has a “manslaughter” statute. Some use second or third degree murder as a charge to reflect unintentional homicide that would be charged as manslaughter in many other states.
Fair point.
 
Yes this is a big debate back and forth (how much to hold individual parents responsible vs how much of this is a systems issue) although I will say that there is plenty of precedent that "accidentally" causing someone else's death isn't an excuse legally....it's just called involuntary manslaughter. The major debate is around whether punishing these parents is having the effect we want (which would primarily be deterrence to make others think before doing something similar).

However, that isn't this case. This dude is a POS:


"One of the kids said Scholtes had left them in the car alone about 59 times in the past.
His past of leaving them in the car is supported by text messages between him and his wife Erika, one read "I told you to stop leaving them in the car, how many times have I told you."

"Investigators were able to obtain surveillance video from July 9th, the day the Scholtes’ daughter died. They determined he was at a local grocery store prior without his children with him likely left in the car, before returning to the home he stopped at a gas station, walked inside, and was seen on video entering the restroom with a case of beer, he walked out beer in hand never purchasing the items."
I knew it. Somehow I knew that he was treating his wife like **** too based on her bitching to him about repeatedly leaving the kids in the car. This man is a selfish non empathetic sociopath. Why do so many women docs end up with POS husbands??
 
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This Alvin Bragg DA needs to prosecute the mom for her knowing this was going on. I’m not trying to make fun of this. This is serious stuff. The mom knew this went on. She’s not innocent.
This sounds like a case of an abused woman if you ask me. The way she’s talked about him not treating her well and now she begs the judge to release him on no bond so they can grieve together even thought she has previously complained repeatedly that he’s careless with the kids?
She’s making excuses for him just like abused people do with their abusers. Abused people make all kinds of excuses and rationalize bad behavior away when in the midst of it.
I feel really bad for her. Not him.
 
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This sounds like a case of an abused woman if you ask me. The way she’s talked about him not treating her well and now she begs the judge to release him on no bond so they can grieve together even thought she has previously complained repeatedly that he’s careless with the kids?
She’s making excuses for him just like abused people do with their abusers. Abused people make all kinds of excuses and rationalize bad behavior away when in the midst of it.
I feel really bad for her. Not him.

Nah she's trash too. He's obviously much worse, given that he murdered a baby, but she could have stopped it.
 
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Nah she's trash too. He's obviously much worse, given that he murdered a baby, but she could have stopped it.
Well we are each allowed our opinions. She could have divorced him and tried to get custody but if my theory is right, then I have empathy. Emotional/physical abuse, and I am theorizing emotional here is very difficult to break from when one is in it.
 
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This sounds like a case of an abused woman if you ask me. The way she’s talked about him not treating her well and now she begs the judge to release him on no bond so they can grieve together even thought she has previously complained repeatedly that he’s careless with the kids?
She’s making excuses for him just like abused people do with their abusers. Abused people make all kinds of excuses and rationalize bad behavior away when in the midst of it.
I feel really bad for her. Not him.
I understand. She chose a bad partner to be the father of her children. She stuck with him hoping he would change.
 
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Why can't I also just drink and play video games all day while my working spouse hustles?
 
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Why can't I also just drink and play video games all day while my working spouse hustles?
Stay at home mom’s day drink. Shop. Get Lunch for decades. The dad is just doing the male version.

Equality is for real these days. I’m seeing more stay at home dads. Unfortunately a few of them have drinking issues themselves. I don’t drink alcohol. But it’s an addiction.
 
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I understand. She chose a bad partner to be the father of her children. She stuck with him hoping he would change.
People do that a lot. Hope to change their spouse or that time will. Been there done that.
 
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Stay at home mom’s day drink. Shop. Get Lunch for decades. The dad is just doing the male version.

Equality is for real these days. I’m seeing more stay at home dads. Unfortunately a few of them have drinking issues themselves. I don’t drink alcohol. But it’s an addiction.
They totally make these bags that hide cold wine bottles to take to the park and I think they pour out the sides like an actual cooler. Where have I seen this?? I swear I saw it somewhere. Will look tomorrow.
 
Stay at home mom’s day drink. Shop. Get Lunch for decades. The dad is just doing the male version.

Equality is for real these days. I’m seeing more stay at home dads. Unfortunately a few of them have drinking issues themselves. I don’t drink alcohol. But it’s an addiction.


#winedad

Ironically these stay at home moms and dads don’t see the same role as a viable option for their kids when they grow up. They’re often tiger parents who have bad boundaries.
 
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His daughter had to live with him and his anesthesiologist second wife and things got so bad, CPS got involved. When her mother died, full custody went to her mother’s best friend.

Honestly not a great look for Erica Scholtes, the anesthesiologist. If a child is judged not safe to life in your home it means you’re complicit 100%.
 
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His daughter had to live with him and his anesthesiologist second wife and things got so bad, CPS got involved. When her mother died, full custody went to her mother’s best friend.

Honestly not a great look for Erica Scholtes, the anesthesiologist. If a child is judged not safe to life in your home it means you’re complicit 100%.
You could be complicit by being an abuse victim. It could be that she’s a total jerk as well. IDK.
 
I hope this guy burns in hell, but why post here? Cause his wife is anesthesia?
 
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The self driving cars will fix this. The parent will ride next to the kid in the back seat.

Few more years.
 
The self driving cars will fix this. The parent will ride next to the kid in the back seat.

Few more years.
He didn’t forget about her. He deliberately left her there for a few hours thinking he had the AC going and he could get in some quality video game time. Maybe a self-driving car that can also call 911 will help.
 
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He didn’t forget about her. He deliberately left her there for a few hours thinking he had the AC going and he could get in some quality video game time. Maybe a self-driving car that can also call 911 will help.
Wow. Didn’t read the news.
 
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He didn’t forget about her. He deliberately left her there for a few hours thinking he had the AC going and he could get in some quality video game time. Maybe a self-driving car that can also call 911 will help.

My car yells at me if it feels something in the backseat
 
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My car yells at me if it feels something in the backseat
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