Travel as a Psychiatrist?

[OccptlMed]

Hello Everyone:

I am simply seeking ideas, facts, statistics, links and the sort from everyone that has any clue about working abroad (either short or long term) as a US citizen MD Psychiatrist.

I am a US based allopathic (MD) student with MPH credentials and just looking around and trying to glean as much as possible.

If you can cite your source of information too it would be especially thoughtful and helpful.

Many thanks...,

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[johnny9]

Hello Everyone:

I am simply seeking ideas, facts, statistics, links and the sort from everyone that has any clue about working abroad (either short or long term) as a US citizen MD Psychiatrist.

I am a US based allopathic (MD) student with MPH credentials and just looking around and trying to glean as much as possible.

If you can cite your source of information too it would be especially thoughtful and helpful.

Many thanks...,

If you have a fellowship completed it will make things easier; if you don't and just have the basic residency, then usually you will need 3 years post-residency/post-board certification to get registered as a specialist and work as a consultant for UK/Ireland.

If you are looking at other EU countries, for example, in Germany, they have a different process with regard to people with non-EU training and you need to contact the individual state administration for it. Usually, you would need to complete a further year and also demonstrate language skills (C1 level is typical minimum for example, although not universal) if you have not trained in the EU.

If you are thinking further afield than europe, it depends on your langauges and obviously where. Some places are particular about medical schools for example, and don't register based on country but on medical school credentials (not all are equal, particularly in the US).

What is MPH?

 

[OldPsychDoc]

What is MPH?

Masters of Public Health, most commonly.

I have colleagues who have done locum tenens in New Zealand and loved it, so that's another fairly well-worn path.

 

[OccptlMed]

Thank you Johnny, OldPsychDoc,

The point of not all US school being equal is well taken. I am at a SUNY (State University of New York) medical school, if that helps with responses.

So the point taken now is that since English is my primary language (and sadly only holding one other language firmly - Spanish), clearly this would be my likeliest barrier?

Are there any global situations where a psychiatrist would be useful even through a translator? Perhaps in a crisis/ disaster type of situation.

As far as fellowship is concerned, Johnny, I am not sure what you mean - Say one focuses on Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, or maybe even Psychopharmacology, - would this make one more attractive globally? Or perhaps a fellowship means something else in Europe?

Yes, MPH is Masters in Public Health, and it may be fairly irrelevant to many for this discussion - I only mentioned it because some of the coursework is globally oriented.

Many thanks,

 

[johnny9]

I only asked about medical school as e.g., Singapore has a list of medical schools that you have to have attended to get registered, regardless of postgrad training. http://www.smc.gov.sg/html/MungoBlobs/538/37/List%20of%20Registrable%20Basic%20Medical%20Qualifications.pdf

With regards to fellowships, it's about whether you have comparable training to whatever the local system has; assuming you wanted to work as a specialist and not at trainee level. I only mentioned it as I know that that is what they look for in UK or Ireland for speciality reigstration, which you need to work as a consultant. It's either completing a speciality training and getting a CCT or else having equivocal training, and job adverts then say e.g., 3 years post-residency experience if they have an advert placed for american applicants.

Most psychiatry training programs are around 6 years in the EU (but I am no expert on all of these, it does vary by country), which is why someone with only 3-4 years of training will not get recognised straight away. The UEMS regulates intra-EU speciality training but as for training from outside, it is up to the local medical council can approve it.

If you have an idea of where you'd like to go, then it's easier to answer. For example, Aus/NZ is another option, but they have exams to pass to get registered, etc.,.

 

[Doc Samson]

I only asked about medical school as e.g., Singapore has a list of medical schools that you have to have attended to get registered, regardless of postgrad training. http://www.smc.gov.sg/html/MungoBlobs/538/37/List%20of%20Registrable%20Basic%20Medical%20Qualifications.pdf

With regards to fellowships, it's about whether you have comparable training to whatever the local system has; assuming you wanted to work as a specialist and not at trainee level. I only mentioned it as I know that that is what they look for in UK or Ireland for speciality reigstration, which you need to work as a consultant. It's either completing a speciality training and getting a CCT or else having equivocal training, and job adverts then say e.g., 3 years post-residency experience if they have an advert placed for american applicants.

Most psychiatry training programs are around 6 years in the EU (but I am no expert on all of these, it does vary by country), which is why someone with only 3-4 years of training will not get recognised straight away. The UEMS regulates intra-EU speciality training but as for training from outside, it is up to the local medical council can approve it.

If you have an idea of where you'd like to go, then it's easier to answer. For example, Aus/NZ is another option, but they have exams to pass to get registered, etc.,.

I'm guessing that list from Singapore is a list of schools whose grads have already gone through the process and are thus preratified in some way. I'm fairly sure that many more schools would qualify (e.g., the UC schools, Tufts, and multiple other notable absences from the list).