Trump, Doctors and Taxes.

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  1. pgg

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  3. facted

    facted ASA Member 7+ Year Member

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    Stop it with your facts!!! They hurt me head!
     
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  4. Precedexed Out

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    Got it, you have no shortage of names to call me and are good at using a condescending tone towards me.

    Regardless, I don't care if they have been here for two months or twenty years. It doesn't matter. They broke US law by coming here and break the law every day by being here. The person who was here illegally for twenty years broke the law every one of those days, maybe at some point they should have came up with a plan to return to their native country and return legally. Just because you broke the law for a really long time doesn't mean you are not prosecuted. If I told a police officer I speed on this road every day for the last 15 years, you can't give me a ticket now, that wouldn't be a defense. Enough with the sob story, US law is US law.
     
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    A simpler solution, enforce immigration law, and let the free market problems take care of itself. Allow the illegal immigrants to obtain worker permits for six months and than they must return to their native country to be allowed to return to do more work. If they don't, they risk immediate deportation if they are caught.
     
  6. nimbus

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    Worker permits?? Or enforce the existing laws?

    And what about the lawbreaking crybaby farmers? Shouldn't they go to jail for hiring illegal workers when those workers are deported?
     
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    Thank you for mansplaining a process you've *never even been through*:claps:
     
  8. timgasman

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    Yes but most people with S corp or 1099 write off pretty much everything anyway so it is unclear if any of the savings will really be realized. On the flip end, the inability to deduct state and local taxes will hit anyone in NY or CA extremely HARD so if you have a mix of W2 and 1099 you will likely see an increase in tax burden.
     
  9. facted

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    With Corker not on board with this (Trump twitter war plus huge deficit increase), the chances of any tax cut is quickly approaching zero.
     
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    It's called the H-2A visa and it's been in existence for at least 10-15 years. It's just that some employers prefer the illegal route (cheaper, less paperwork, less liability, easier to hire and fire etc.). They can blame the lazy American millennial worker all they want, fact is they prefer to hire illegals.
     
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    basically
     
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    Of course they do, and the establishment doesn't seem to mind because it is cheap labor allowing the rich to get richer. It certainly doesn't help low income Americans. More works means less demand and lower wages.
     
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    Wonder when the moron says something about the special forces killed in Niger? He’s a yuge patriot so kinda weird.
     
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    Must be painful for you to wake up every day and watch Trump dismantling the failed left wing policies from Obama. I hope you can keep it together.
     
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    I find it crazy how liberal interviewers often find it appropriate to bring up politics. Happened to me during the beginning of the week at an interview. How do we go from asking about one of my hobbies, then randomly make a comment about Trump. I answered by stating I'm not here to talk about politics, hope it doesn't hurt me, but I was being honest. Really goes to show the distorted view of reality that exists in the ivory towers. I have never had a conservative interviewer make political statements. Insane how these liberal crazies think most of the country thinks like them. I got news, they don't.
     
  16. FFP

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    Really? I don't see you talking about anything else.

    It's pretty much garbage out, which makes me wonder if it's garbage in, or it's just the central processing unit.
     
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    You think the interview is supposed to be about politics or that it is appropriate?

    I won't answer or comment on politics because of people like you and other intolerant liberals on here. People like you would automatically score my interview and overall application lower for my political beliefs alone, regardless of how competitive my application is. Doesn't the left preach tolerance? And yet the far left radicals like you are the most intolerant group.

    It just goes to show the massive disconnect from far left liberals and the majority of the country.
     
  18. RadOncDoc21

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    Watch out! The liberals are out to get you!
     
  19. FFP

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    You are literally obsessed with politics, conspiracy theories, all the good stuff. So you not talking about politics is just unimaginable. Plus you literally prove how shallow you are, when you call me a leftist, especially a radical one. I'm neither. I'm a moderate centrist who hates extremists on both sides, and I tend to lean towards the more reasonable side. My favorite newsperson is actually a guy from Fox News. You wouldn't know him, because he's way too normal.

    Stop watching Hannity and listening to brainwash radio hosts. Find somebody reasonable, balanced, normal, even bipartisan. A profound thinker, not a populist demagogue.

    I am glad the interviewers are picking up on what a nutjob you are. Btw, speaking about disconnect, the majority of voters voted for Clinton on Election Day.
     
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    If blaming the weenie liberals doesn't work, you can always blame affirmative action. Nice little social cushion for you.
     
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    Watch out, the Russians are out to get us. Somewhere the evidence is there, somewhere....haha says CNN who pushed this delusional collusion story. Entirely fake news. Right on par with NBC trying to bury the Weinstein story.
     
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    If we had a system where total votes determined the winner. Trump most likely would won. Can't change the goal posts after the game to get the result you want.

    You are not a centrist. You are a liberal posing as a centrist. I have seen plenty of the stuff you spew and it isn't centrist. You have a distorted view of what centrist really means.

    Neil Cavuto or Bret Baier or Shepard Smith

    My interviews have all went very well. Thank you. If you interviewed me, you would never guess I was the user of this account. At my most recent interview, I was told I would be a "great fit for our program" by the PD.
     
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    Ahhh, affirmative action, you mean legalized discrimination.
     
  24. PainDrain

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    Did you really mean to say this? Because you realize this isn't even close to reality right? I hope this is a typo. You meant "wouldn't have won" correct?
     
  25. FFP

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    You forgot all the illegals who voted, and all the Democrats who voted multiple times and/or in neighboring states. This nation is just full of criminals. There were "millions" of illegal votes. :p

    It's the damn liberals. The same people who edited the broadcast from the inauguration ceremony to make it look as if there were 3 times fewer people present, and then lied to the American people. It's a yuge conspiracy.

    You just can't convince these people, PainDrain. It's a cult, by all measures. Like communism or fascism, or any other authoritarian -isms, so well engineered for small brain people. There is a reason all those systems begin by physically eradicating every single thinking human being, so they are left with the sheep.
     
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    I wouldn't bring up your beliefs to anyone, period. Your judgement is so poor I wouldn't let you in the same room with me and a patient.
     
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  27. nimbus

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    Yes his judgement is on par with our dear leader Trump.
     
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    Let me try to be more clear. He would have won popular vote. He didn't campaign to win the popular vote because that isn't the way to win an election.
     
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    And you call yourself a centrist? Entirely not true. Again, my views aren't a minority. That must make it hard for you to sleep at night.
     
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    I'll take that as a compliment. Thank you. The judgement Trump utilized to win the election was amazing. He took down the chosen one, remember Hillary who lost. She was chosen, clearly based on the DNC doing everything they could to prevent Bernie from winning. That is a fact, something you liberals don't like to acknowledge.
     
  31. PainDrain

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    Haha. You are insane. He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes. He had no chance to win the popular vote and only won the election because of an archaic electoral college system. You really have to suspend reality to believe what you just wrote.
     
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    The political perspective one holds doesn't equate to their clinical judgement. I think what you are really saying is that you are a shallow person who can't tolerate those who think differently than you. Without doubt, there are far left wingers who are excellent anesthesiologists. The same can be said for many conservative anesthesiologists.

    It is too bad you can't see that because the neurons in your brain aren't firing correctly.
     
  33. pgg

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    This is both untrue and irrelevant.

    I don’t agree with a lot of what Precedexed Out writes, but he’s correct here.

    Voter turnout was under 60%, and Clinton had slightly more votes than Trump. At most, about 1/3 of eligible voters cast a vote for her.

    But more importantly, if the presidency was determined by popular vote, then both candidates would’ve campaigned differently. It is impossible to know how the popular vote would’ve turned out if they had spent more time in NYC and Los Angeles and less time in Wisconsin.

    I suspect the game would’ve favored Clinton if the popular vote was the rule, but we just don’t know.

    The narrative that the election results represent a thwarting if the will of the people is wrong.
     
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    Is this the same reality that didn't give Trump any chance to win? And then he did. Get over yourself. He didn't spend any time in some of the most populated areas of the country because he knew they would go liberal. He could easily make up three million votes. Look at the results Trump got where Hillary was so confident she would win that she didn't bother campaigning. Cough cough....Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin
     
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    I'm appreciate the bold comment. Not many on here have the integrity to make that statement.
     
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    He won those states by extremely thin margins. Are you saying he would have somehow pulled three million votes from the same liberal bastions you say he ignored? See your reasoning there. You say "He didn't campaign in populated areas because he knew they would go liberal" then in the same breath say "he would have made up 3 million votes had he campaigned there".
     
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    Yes, he played the game to win. He needed 270 or more electoral votes. He didn't care about popular vote.
     
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    Crazy how no one has anything to say about this post. I guess stating the obvious causes too much distress.
     
  39. RadOncDoc21

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    Agree, not sure where their argument lies with this one.

    Are we now counting hypothetical voters? If so, I know a bunch of people who would have voted for Clinton but didn’t because they live in heavily blue states.
     
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    I don’t get what the big issue is. He won the electoral votes but lost the popular vote. He won despite not “winning.”

    I still think this is a terrible way to design an election process.
     
  41. FFP

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    I swear I knew you would get caught up in this, that's why I really tried to write in the most PC way. For example, I used voters (as in people who went out to vote) not Americans. Also, the voter turnout clearly favored Trump. That's why his national approval rate (which also includes people who did not bother to vote last time) is abysmal.
    Listen, it's almost one year later. I couldn't care less about coulda, shoulda, woulda. We live in dystopia, it's our reality. All I wanted to point out was that is not the so-called "liberals" who have the disconnect, it's trumpists who believe almost everybody else in this country thinks like them. Half of the population doesn't. Even in the reddest states I would guess one quarter of the population.
    See above.
     
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    He won the election. Not really that complicated. He won and was the "winner."
     
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    And she won the popular vote, hence more people chose her, that’s not complicated either.
     
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    Liberals like you along with the liberal media marginalize and minimize people like me as being in the minority and paint us as lunatics, crazies, racists, and deplorable. The liberals have a tremendous disconnect. So disconnected from reality, they believed Trump had NO shot at winning. There is a very wide disconnect between the average US citizen and liberals like Obama, Schumer, and Pelosi.
     
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    You just don't get it. Not surprising since you are still clinging to the Russian Trump collusion story because you just can't understand that America preferred Trump over Hillary. It is really that simple.
     
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    I shouldn't be surprised at the posts on here since those like @FFP believe the major flaw in the ACA was the penalty for not purchasing insurance wasn't high enough. Tremendous disconnect from the realities of the incomes of people using these plans and the premiums and deductibles. I hasn't gone unnoticed how you haven't responded to my post about this.
     
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    Is 3 greater than 1? If so, then she got more votes.

    In regards to Russia, I do believe there is going to be evidence brought forward that will show Trump was heavily involved with Russia and did illegal and unethical dealings with them. Unfortunately, I do not believe the republicans in congress will care enough to do anything about it.
     
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    Nope. You're the one who lacks knowledge of basic economics, including socialized health insurance. The easiest and best way to keep premiums low is to have a huge pool of healthy people in the system. That's why every single successful national health insurance system has compulsory insurance for every citizen; they will literally take the money out of your paycheck, like the SSA or Medicare. There is no opt-out, no penalties etc., simply no way around it.

    Anything else, such as the greed of the insurance companies, is just the cream on the cake.

    One more thing: at least for a second, remind yourself that some of the people you are chatting with are 15-20 years older, hence more experienced. You are not the first tweenager who thinks everybody else is stupid.
     
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    You believe there will be evidence? Is this the CNN manufactured evidence that gets proven time and time again to be false. Face it, there was no collusion between Trump and Russia. You are in the denial stage.
     
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    Most people in our country aren't for government mandating we purchase anything, including health insurance. No thanks, that isn't government's place. Again, you are not a centrist.

    How do you know how old I am or how much experience I have? Oh wait, you don't. Irrelevant anyway. I have plenty of life experiences outside of school including a non-medical related career. Nice attempt at creating your own argument to belittle me. Clearly shows you can't discuss the points I raised above.

    Let me try to explain it more clearly. People aren't going to pay 10-25% of their annual income on health insurance premiums that has a deductible that is 15-33% of their annual income before the plan starts paying anything. I know you think every citizen needs government to hold their hand through life, but this isn't the case.

    Simply put, this law benefits insurance companies only. It creates an environment forcing consumers to utilize a service that is unnecessarily increasing the cost to consumers every year while making record profits. Clearly, the everyone buying health insurance to keep costs down theory hasn't worked as is obvious based on the premiums which have dramatically increased every year. You seem to ignore those facts. After all, why would it work when you are forced to buy something. No incentive to keep prices down.
     
  51. RadOncDoc21

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    I didn’t know the investigation was over, when did you find out?
     
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