Two Chief Complaints that drive me nuts.

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#1.) "My widget is broken". - This is generally a PEG tube that is broken, or a line that won't flush, or a whatever. In nearly every circumstance, this can either WAIT UNTIL MORNING and/or CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF IN A THOUSAND OTHER SETTINGS THAN THE ER. 3:30 AM PEG tube dysfunction?! Put the patient back to bed, and then call the facility MD at 7 AM. 10:30 PM catheter that won't drain urine? Flush it, and let the old man sleep. He'll sleep hard overnight. Then, sort it out in the AM.

#2.) "Abnormal labs". - OH, HAI ! ARR YOU A FAMBLY DOCTER THAT CANT MEDICINES!? SEND YER PATIENT TO THE ER. I DO YER JOBS FOR YOUU. Granted, a hemoglobin of 4 needs to be sent to the ER, but when you've got a potassium of 6.5 on Thursday, and you call the patient and tell them on Monday.... I hate you. They've been stable all weekend, and are stable now. Do you job. Go do medicines, fambly care dokterrrr.

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I can kind of see hyperkalemia being sent to the ED. I agree with you but at least there is a tiny percent change of instant death with that.

non-functioning "tubes" (wherever they are stuck) are all by definition not emergencies. Worst case scenario is the guy or gal can't pee. And they will come in saying that as such. Don't you love it when you get a "dislodged biliary drain" complaint? I've had that twice. TBili ain't going up, I d/c. Call IR instead.
 
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I can kind of see hyperkalemia being sent to the ED. I agree with you but at least there is a tiny percent change of instant death with that.

Politely disagree. Stable is stable. If you're worried enough on Monday to call and send the STABLE patient to the ER, then you can also bring them to your office and have repeat labs drawn, and in 99% of cases... this simple gesture obviates the ER visit, and the cost that the poor patient has to absorb.
 
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N of 1. It is changing...

Midlevel stuff I've gotten:
  • Initiate antihypertensives (blood pressure elevated, brand-new mid-level does not know what to do).
  • Workup stable iron deficiency anemia that does not need transfusion (HB 7 point something, patient stable but interrupted during their evening for "emergent transfusion").
  • Send patient to Cath Lab. That "heartburn" that you diagnosed in urgent care led to the patient going into cardiac arrest before they got home from urgent care. Fat middle-aged diabetic male smokers with new onset "heartburn" are probably not heartburn...
  • Wash off a partial thickness avulsion, apply pressure and bandage. Mid-level "couldn't get bleeding to stop".
  • Restart Lasix. Mid-level noted that creatinine was mildly elevated, stopped Lasix, encouraged liberal PO intake, and did not schedule any follow-up. +50 lbs, edema to the umbilicus, crackles to the apices bilaterally.
  • Sore throat + lymphadenopathy + amoxicillin -> 7 days -> rash! + midlevel -> OMG ANAPHYLAXIS!. Umm, no. Here's your positive monospot test, go forth, don't worry about amoxicillin and avoid contact sports.
  • I could keep this up all night...
My favorite is the subspecialty midlevels who are seemingly clueless about treatment options when answering the phone for these "consults."
The vast majority have no idea what they're doing and following an algorithm and rolling the dice. Reality is, most patient care complaints globally are benign and self limited. So of course the vast majority of the time, nothing bad happens. But when something is actually up, they have no idea what's going on.
 
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1) Diarrhea

2) Nonverbal/confused 90 yo now more nonverbal/confused

3) Crying afebrile infant...Dx: learn to parent

4) Sent from urgent care for laceration that's "OMGZ TOO DEEP"...dx: simple laceration that I would let ms3 repair

5) Sent from ophtho for brain mri for OMZ RULE OUT PALILLEDEMA

list goes on and on and on
 
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I got a superficial thrombophlebitis sent to the ED for heparin gtt because “you will probably die if your DVT goes untreated” in a healthy kid who had an IV because he was in an MVC a couple days before.
 
1. Hypertension
2. Fatigue or lack of appetite
 
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1) Bariatric pt's with a chief complaint of vaginal bleeding.
2) Constipation in the 94yo NH patient at 3a.m. who hasn't pooped in 2 weeks and a night shift nurse decides to send them to you at that hour.
3) Pseudo seizures in the poly psych, intelligent pt who's been googling how to fake a seizure & has been watching too much Edward Norton from Primal Fear and considers the ER visit to be their first major acting debut.
4) Alcoholics with a chief complaint of...take your pick
5) 40-50 yo unhappy housewives with undiagnosed somatiform do with your garden variety of poly system complaints that have been going on for a year but suddenly alarmed them enough to show up in the ED at 11p.m. on a Wednesday night.
6) Crack heads on their 100th visit to the ED that year for CP, always induced after smoking crack, always resulting in a trip to the ER.
7) The pt presenting with multiple healthcare provider relatives in the room wanting to hijack your management and think that veterinary school, nursing school, PT school or a holistic medicine certification somehow empowered them to do your job.
8) Hyperagitated peds pt's with virtually any complaint. The kind that are kicking, punching and screaming that have me briefly entertaining darting them with ketamine for something as simple as an ear exam with a parent that makes zero effort to control their kid.
9) Any hospice pt sent to the ER for any reason...especially the ones brought in as "DNR" per EMS but WITHOUT the paperwork and no family present with a BP in the 80s and agonal breathing. It's even better when it's a hospice company with no contract at your hospital and they sent them to you by mistake.
10) Bartholin gland abscesses. All of them. They're not challenging, I just hate dealing with them. I get especially pissed off when the PCPs send them over from clinic for me to deal with as if they've never drained one of these in their lives. (My NP gf caught one of her attendings about to send one of these over to the ER for "I&D" in clinic other day and convinced her to let her examine and I&D the pt. It turned out she didn't even have an abscess and the doc just didn't want to do a pelvic exam and was diagnosing her from the HPI!)
 
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My favorite is the subspecialty midlevels who are seemingly clueless about treatment options when answering the phone for these "consults."
The vast majority have no idea what they're doing and following an algorithm and rolling the dice. Reality is, most patient care complaints globally are benign and self limited. So of course the vast majority of the time, nothing bad happens. But when something is actually up, they have no idea what's going on.

That is why primary care MD's are not going away. The stuff that the specialists handled 10 years ago now bounces back in the primary care guy's lap with a note from an NP/PA that basically could be cut and paste from WebMD.
 
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An external urethral mea scratchiness that never goes away for several years in a sociopathic young male.
 
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I had a malingering pseudoseizure patient call the police on me awhile back. He was a 30 yo, depressed and wanted to be admitted to the hospital for narcotics and to be taken care of. When I refused he began to do his fake seizure routine in front of me. He continued to do this for several minutes, so I told him if he didn't wake up I would knock him out and put him on the ventilator. He immediately glared at me and said "No one has ever talked to me like this before!". He called police and 911 on me for "assault". The nurses and police got a good LOLz about this.

Had another pseudo-seizure lady who wake up just as we were pushing the rocuronium. Oops...sorry too late. You get the tube.
 
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That is why primary care MD's are not going away. The stuff that the specialists handled 10 years ago now bounces back in the primary care guy's lap with a note from an NP/PA that basically could be cut and paste from WebMD.
Pretty crazy if you think about it. Primary care doc refers out to someone... who knows less than them. Defeats the entire purpose when a first consult is seen by a midlevel.
 
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I love seeing the 'my widget is broken' patient, easy peasy, abdominal exam, labs, +/- obs admit for IR to fix in AM. No thought.

I hate the nursing home dumps, 'patient is questionably DNR but would want to be intubated, has been slurring speech and more confused since 10am, well maybe yesterday, or the day before, is on xarelto? wait maybe plavix?, may have fallen 2 days ago, smells like they have a UTI, the nursing home sent a UA but no I don't know the results'

Ok. Thanks. Complete exam for trauma/CTH/UA --> DC to nursing home
 
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I can kind of see hyperkalemia being sent to the ED. I agree with you but at least there is a tiny percent change of instant death with that.

non-functioning "tubes" (wherever they are stuck) are all by definition not emergencies. Worst case scenario is the guy or gal can't pee. And they will come in saying that as such. Don't you love it when you get a "dislodged biliary drain" complaint? I've had that twice. TBili ain't going up, I d/c. Call IR instead.

I’m with you. Unless the the sample is hemolyzed, I have absolutely no problem seeing a patient from your office with a K of 6.5. There is a better than average chance that I will be billing critical care - mo money.
 
I’m with you. Unless the the sample is hemolyzed, I have absolutely no problem seeing a patient from your office with a K of 6.5. There is a better than average chance that I will be billing critical care - mo money.


Yeah I mean honestly I wouldn't want my loved one walking around with a K of 6.5, especially if they're not ESRD. They probably won't widen out and arrest, but, it's definitely not ideal.
 
Hyperkalemia is worrisome... let’s not push the envelope too far
 
Had another pseudo-seizure lady who wake up just as we were pushing the rocuronium. Oops...sorry too late. You get the tube.

Been there done that. Always a weird moment when their eyes suddenly slam open in terror when they feel the paralytic setting in. I don't feel too bad tho, even the neurologists say with some people there's no way to be absolutely sure what's PNES vs. legit seizure without an EEG in some cases.
 
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PNES (nee pseudoseizures) are a real condition that the patient isn't in control of.
Now, faking seizures is a rookie move and I personally like to squirt saline into their eyes to make them stop. But they're a specific type of patient.
Sort of how I give zofran for vomiting, but haldol for audible vomiting.

But RF is correct. HyperK might have been an emergency on Thursday, but by Monday it has pretty much been proven not to be one. And these patients aren't typically ones you send home (unless the specimen is hemolyzed and is normal on recheck).
Of course, nobody does direct admissions anymore, so asking for that is laughable.

Personally, I hate holiday nursing home referrals. "Grandma looks way worse this Easter than she did last Easter. To the ER!"
 
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My most hated CC is Hypertension, hands down. I don't understand how nobody has put out a PSA yet regarding this. I literally see this 2-3x/shift. There is nothing that causes more facepalming on my end and anxiety on the patient's end than hypertension. I have found that it is much easier to deal with in a poorly educated population, much like the population I saw in residency. Now seeing a largely educated, wealthy, elderly population in the community, every single one of these people has a cardiologist they demand you call because they know better than the dumb ER doctor. Theoretically this population should be much easier to deal with, as they have clear ability to obtain close f/u (all of them have their cardiologist on speed dial...I wish I were joking). The conversation with the most anxious of these type usually goes something like this:

Me: "I understand the concern, but fortunately for you high blood pressure w/o symptoms is not something that is going to harm you in the short term, in fact, trying to abruptly bring your BP to normal can potentially cause a stroke. It is important to get your BP under control, however, this should be done over weeks in conjunction with the doctor managing your BP. What I would recommend is taking your BP meds as scheduled and f/u with your PCP tomorrow to discuss your BP management and refrain from taking multiple BP measurements at home as this will only lead to increased anxiety."

Pt: "So you aren't going to do anything for me? I need you to call my cardiologist because this BP is not normal for me."

Me: "Ma'am, I would recommend you call your cardiologist yourself tomorrow morning to set up an appointment. There is no reason to get someone out of bed for this. You have no symptoms, you are safe to wait a few days until you can get in to see him/her. Isolated high blood pressure while seemingly scary, poses no immediate threat to you if you are not having symptoms."

Pt: "So you are just going to wait until I have a stroke to do something? Are you really a doctor? My daughter is a nurse and even she knows that BP should not be this high."

Me: "Ma'am, as I stated earlier, abruptly lowering your BP could potentially lead to the stroke you are so fearful of. You need to get in with your doctor to adjust your HTN meds as the ER is not the right location to be toying with your chronic meds."

Pt: "Do you have a boss?"

Me: "I have no boss."

Pt: "Well I would like to speak to a patient advocate."

Me: "Ma'am, it is 11 o'clock at night, there is not a patient advocate here in the hospital at this hour. What I would suggest is to go home, go to sleep, and then go see your doctor; however, if you are adamant about talking to someone, you can speak to our charge nurse; however, she has no say on how I deliver medical care."

Pt: "I want another doctor."

Me: "I am the only doctor here. If you would like to see another doctor, feel free to wait in the waiting room until 6am. You can also go to another hospital if you feel that my care is not appropriate; however, understand that you will be billed for two separate ER visits and you are unlikely to get a different response."

Pt: *Pulls out phone* "What is your name?"

Me: "Dr. Zebra Hunter, that is Z-E-B-R-A."

Pt: "I am going to write a formal complaint about you, and I will never be coming to this ER again." (I've never understood why people think we will be upset about this)

Me: "Well I am sorry you feel that way. You will be discharged now."

Pt: "Screw you!"

.....scribe who has been standing in the corner the entire time turns to me as we are leaving the room: "Diagnosis of 'anxiety about health'?"

Me: "Please."

*5 minutes later*

Charge nurse: "That anxious hypertensive lady is refusing to leave."

Me: "Tell them you are calling security to escort them out if they are refusing to leave, but I will not be returning to that room."
 
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I usually don't get bent out of shape over hypertension. Simply telling them that asymptomatic hypertension just needs adjustments to medication and not emergently treated usually will do the trick after I go through the spill that their hypertension may be temporary from increased salt, stress, caffeine, etc.

I've had to have security escort some people out, but I can't say that I've ever had a hypertensive patient need that level of discharge. Usually it's the people demanding narcotics.
 
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Me: "Ma'am, I would recommend you call your cardiologist yourself tomorrow morning to set up an appointment. There is no reason to get someone out of bed for this. You have no symptoms, you are safe to wait a few days until you can get in to see him/her. Isolated high blood pressure while seemingly scary, poses no immediate threat to you if you are not having symptoms."
And this is not where you have the patient - all of a sudden - start stating chest pain/shortness of breath/headache/blurry vision? I give the same shpiel - that I could cause the CVA they fear, and that, even if I lower their blood pressure, it will just go back up once they go home - and I still end up having to work up bull**** (but, as @WilcoWorld says, "Medicine is theatre, and needles are part of the theatre").
 
I usually don't get bent out of shape over hypertension. Simply telling them that asymptomatic hypertension just needs adjustments to medication and not emergently treated usually will do the trick after I go through the spill that their hypertension may be temporary from increased salt, stress, caffeine, etc.

I've had to have security escort some people out, but I can't say that I've ever had a hypertensive patient need that level of discharge. Usually it's the people demanding narcotics.
I never did either until my current community job. Like I said, the poorer, less educated population I took care of in residency were usually easy to get out without much hassle as they usually accepted a physician's input w/o much pushback. Unfortunately more money, more education, more healthcare interaction seems to lead to more entitlement in the ER. I was actually shocked the first time I experienced this conversation because that script almost never failed me in residency. I have essentially traded out narc seekers being escorted out by security, for the anxious, hypertensive elderly.
 
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And this is not where you have the patient - all of a sudden - start stating chest pain/shortness of breath/headache/blurry vision? I give the same shpiel - that I could cause the CVA they fear, and that, even if I lower their blood pressure, it will just go back up once they go home - and I still end up having to work up bull**** (but, as @WilcoWorld says, "Medicine is theatre, and needles are part of the theatre").
No, I ask them for their current symptoms before going into my spiel. A few will then claim a headache and I tell them that a headache, unless sudden onset and debilitating, has no real association with blood pressure. The only ones I will occasionally get labs on are the ones who don't have access to care, and those patients almost never put up much of a fuss about being dc'd. Not even lab work seems to appease the type I am talking about, as their BP is still high, and they still "need" something done.

"Ma'am your lab work is great, looks like you can go home. F/u with your doc tomorrow."

"That's great, but we still haven't addressed my blood pressure."
 
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Meh. Give the clonidine. Just like giving the amox for the otitis, or the tamiflu for the flu.
Make them aware of the side effects.
They'll be happy.
You spend less time doing it.
Fin
 
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Meh. Give the clonidine. Just like giving the amox for the otitis, or the tamiflu for the flu.
Make them aware of the side effects.
They'll be happy.
You spend less time doing it.
Fin
I would if that actually appeased them. Maybe my patient population is uniquely entitled. Most of the hyper-anxious type refused to leave until the clonidine took effect the times I gave in. Then I had multiple patients who either didn't respond to clonidine and then became even more anxious and demanded admission, or responded to clonidine; however, then demanded admission anyways to figure out why their BP was so high, even following at length conversations regarding the likely cause. It might be why so many in my group still treat asymptomatic hypertension with IV meds (as I've stated on here before) but I refuse to ever go down that route.
 
Pretty close to giving up on this one. Been fighting the good fight and quoting ACEP practice guidelines in my notes, but I'm getting tired.

Their "amazing" cardiologist who "saved their life" probably hasn't opened a book in ten years or longer and will throw you under the bus.

Thanks to the CMS goons, everyone is on hyperalert for "signs of stroke." They know that high BP is associated with OMGZZZ stroke and will act with righteous indignation if you don't treat it.

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Their "amazing" cardiologist who "saved their life" probably hasn't opened a book in ten years or longer and will throw you under the bus.

This fight is a lot harder when you look young. I'm 37 going on the looks of a 30 year old, and these geezers always side-eye me whenever I give them our guidelines. I've taken to opening my schpeil with: "Ah! One of my favorite medical myths!" It gets mixed results.
 
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Title says it all.

#1.) "My widget is broken". - This is generally a PEG tube that is broken, or a line that won't flush, or a whatever. In nearly every circumstance, this can either WAIT UNTIL MORNING and/or CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF IN A THOUSAND OTHER SETTINGS THAN THE ER. 3:30 AM PEG tube dysfunction?! Put the patient back to bed, and then call the facility MD at 7 AM. 10:30 PM catheter that won't drain urine? Flush it, and let the old man sleep. He'll sleep hard overnight. Then, sort it out in the AM.

#2.) "Abnormal labs". - OH, HAI ! ARR YOU A FAMBLY DOCTER THAT CANT MEDICINES!? SEND YER PATIENT TO THE ER. I DO YER JOBS FOR YOUU. Granted, a hemoglobin of 4 needs to be sent to the ER, but when you've got a potassium of 6.5 on Thursday, and you call the patient and tell them on Monday.... I hate you. They've been stable all weekend, and are stable now. Do you job. Go do medicines, fambly care dokterrrr.

Bonus points when they call the squad for transport on those... Triple word score when it’s the nursing home that calls the squad..
 
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I would if that actually appeased them. Maybe my patient population is uniquely entitled. Most of the hyper-anxious type refused to leave until the clonidine took effect the times I gave in. Then I had multiple patients who either didn't respond to clonidine and then became even more anxious and demanded admission, or responded to clonidine; however, then demanded admission anyways to figure out why their BP was so high, even following at length conversations regarding the likely cause. It might be why so many in my group still treat asymptomatic hypertension with IV meds (as I've stated on here before) but I refuse to ever go down that route.

Ugh asymptomatic htn is frustrating. Nobody is ever happy being told to see their PCP, then the next day when the patient goes to see their PCP they send them back to the ED when they have a BP of 186 in clinic and call it a "Hypertensive urgency". If they have a mild headache it's easy, I give them a migraine cocktail and their BP drops and I say 'SEE WE FIXED YOU', but if they are actually with no complaints it can be more challenging, and is all about how you sell it. Which sucks, essentially being a used car salesman. I always go off on how dangerous lowering BPs can be, and how BP meds can be extremely toxic in the wrong doses, etc etc, and it's successful ~25% of the time, the rest of the time I just discharge them unhappy and can live with it.

Dizziness. Dude f that noise. I think the reason I hate it so much is back in residency there was always 1 or 2 attendings that made me MRI or LP these random vague "dizziness" complaints that were honestly more generalized weakness or headache. Part of it was probably the patient population and the associated language barrier. For some reason an incredibly large proportion of Spanish speakers have complaints of dizziness associated with their primary complaint. Every. Freaking. Time. Regardless if I use a phone interpreter or in person translator. I've since become convinced the direct translation of "dizziness" to Spanish must be associated with something broader in their language or culture.

I've gotten less conservative on this, if the patient can walk = no work up, if they can't = work up. Even if they had a posterior circulation stroke causing some vertigo, if they are neuro intact, NIHSS 0 and ambulatory, I would argue the risks of TPA outweigh the benefits given that the patient is already at the functional endpoint of every TPA trial.
 
Not treating BP has become my number 1 patient complaint recently. I seriously hate these people and their stupid doctors.
 
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Asymptomatic HTN has gotten a lot easier for me lately.
“Blood pressure is controlled by what you put in your body, like salt and caffeine, how your heart and kidneys work, and your stress hormones. I can’t change what you put in your body, but I can check your heart (EKG) and your kidneys (creatinine). If those are both ok, you are safe to go home with your high blood pressure so YOU can work on lowering your salt and caffeine intake and lowering your overall stress levels”.
That line is mostly true, takes 45 seconds to say, and only requires two conversations - the initial H&P then the “hey your ekg and kidney function look normal, remember what we talked about...”. No arguments. Puts the onus on the patient to make some changes which they probably need to do. No clonidine or Med adjustments (unless really needed). Sure I do two potentially unnecessary tests but the reassurance really helps the patient and I can get both done in roughly an hour which is not bad for an ESI level 3 patient (they are always triaged that way).
 
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If I get to the HTN patient first, usually its a dose of their home medication and rip off their cuff as soon as their BP improves. Most of the time by the time they get to me, triage or APP has already finish a full blood panel, ekg, ua, CXR, and probably a CTOH.
I never do clonidine as they'll just return with rebound hypertension.

My problem is at least half my partners will admit all these patients for "hypertensive urgency" or the newest in vogue diagnosis "accelerated hypertension." Which entrains in my patient population certain expectations.
 
My problem is at least half my partners will admit all these patients for "hypertensive urgency" or the newest in vogue diagnosis "accelerated hypertension." Which entrains in my patient population certain expectations.

Wow. That’s not great. Bonus points if they get a nicardipine drip and go to the unit with no symptoms.
 
My most hated CC is Hypertension, hands down. I don't understand how nobody has put out a PSA yet regarding this. I literally see this 2-3x/shift. There is nothing that causes more facepalming on my end and anxiety on the patient's end than hypertension. I have found that it is much easier to deal with in a poorly educated population, much like the population I saw in residency. Now seeing a largely educated, wealthy, elderly population in the community, every single one of these people has a cardiologist they demand you call because they know better than the dumb ER doctor. Theoretically this population should be much easier to deal with, as they have clear ability to obtain close f/u (all of them have their cardiologist on speed dial...I wish I were joking). The conversation with the most anxious of these type usually goes something like this:

Me: "I understand the concern, but fortunately for you high blood pressure w/o symptoms is not something that is going to harm you in the short term, in fact, trying to abruptly bring your BP to normal can potentially cause a stroke. It is important to get your BP under control, however, this should be done over weeks in conjunction with the doctor managing your BP. What I would recommend is taking your BP meds as scheduled and f/u with your PCP tomorrow to discuss your BP management and refrain from taking multiple BP measurements at home as this will only lead to increased anxiety."

Pt: "So you aren't going to do anything for me? I need you to call my cardiologist because this BP is not normal for me."

Me: "Ma'am, I would recommend you call your cardiologist yourself tomorrow morning to set up an appointment. There is no reason to get someone out of bed for this. You have no symptoms, you are safe to wait a few days until you can get in to see him/her. Isolated high blood pressure while seemingly scary, poses no immediate threat to you if you are not having symptoms."

Pt: "So you are just going to wait until I have a stroke to do something? Are you really a doctor? My daughter is a nurse and even she knows that BP should not be this high."

Me: "Ma'am, as I stated earlier, abruptly lowering your BP could potentially lead to the stroke you are so fearful of. You need to get in with your doctor to adjust your HTN meds as the ER is not the right location to be toying with your chronic meds."

Pt: "Do you have a boss?"

Me: "I have no boss."

Pt: "Well I would like to speak to a patient advocate."

Me: "Ma'am, it is 11 o'clock at night, there is not a patient advocate here in the hospital at this hour. What I would suggest is to go home, go to sleep, and then go see your doctor; however, if you are adamant about talking to someone, you can speak to our charge nurse; however, she has no say on how I deliver medical care."

Pt: "I want another doctor."

Me: "I am the only doctor here. If you would like to see another doctor, feel free to wait in the waiting room until 6am. You can also go to another hospital if you feel that my care is not appropriate; however, understand that you will be billed for two separate ER visits and you are unlikely to get a different response."

Pt: *Pulls out phone* "What is your name?"

Me: "Dr. Zebra Hunter, that is Z-E-B-R-A."

Pt: "I am going to write a formal complaint about you, and I will never be coming to this ER again." (I've never understood why people think we will be upset about this)

Me: "Well I am sorry you feel that way. You will be discharged now."

Pt: "Screw you!"

.....scribe who has been standing in the corner the entire time turns to me as we are leaving the room: "Diagnosis of 'anxiety about health'?"

Me: "Please."

*5 minutes later*

Charge nurse: "That anxious hypertensive lady is refusing to leave."

Me: "Tell them you are calling security to escort them out if they are refusing to leave, but I will not be returning to that room."


You're lucky I've had some patients call their PCP who then screams at me over the phone to demand I give them IV antihypertensives.
 
And this is not where you have the patient - all of a sudden - start stating chest pain/shortness of breath/headache/blurry vision? I give the same shpiel - that I could cause the CVA they fear, and that, even if I lower their blood pressure, it will just go back up once they go home - and I still end up having to work up bull**** (but, as @WilcoWorld says, "Medicine is theatre, and needles are part of the theatre").

Yep once they find out I'm not giving them any meds they'll tell the nurse they forgot about the CP or SOB they had last week.
 
There’s a real knowledge and approach gap here between the ED and the outpatient world. I once had a discussion with my PCP friend who also worked urgent care and he says that he sends HTN to the ED so it can be “lowered in a controlled setting”. He pictures patients with BPs of 175/100 getting IV meds and q5 min BPs as we carefully titrate the BP. I was stunned by that mental picture and he was stunned when I told him I don’t treat anything asymptomatic less then 210/130 with IV meds. We both walked away thinking the other was crazy, I’m sure.
 
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Dizziness. Dude f that noise. I think the reason I hate it so much is back in residency there was always 1 or 2 attendings that made me MRI or LP these random vague "dizziness" complaints that were honestly more generalized weakness or headache. Part of it was probably the patient population and the associated language barrier. For some reason an incredibly large proportion of Spanish speakers have complaints of dizziness associated with their primary complaint. Every. Freaking. Time. Regardless if I use a phone interpreter or in person translator. I've since become convinced the direct translation of "dizziness" to Spanish must be associated with something broader in their language or culture.

Yep. I hate dizziness too, especially because my average patient is a 72 year old female. So much occult badness is possible given that set of circumstances.


You're also right about the literal translation of the word "mareado" (dizziness) in espanol. If you break down the word, you get "mar" (ocean) "e" (linking syllable, also the sound for "and") and the suffix "-ado", which indicates the past participle (jumped, shuttered, straightened). Put it all together and you have a word which literally means "and I got oceaned", which brings to mind being tossed about like a boat on a stormy sea.

Man, I love Spanish. I wish I were better at it (really, my listening skills are trash; but I can read almost anything).
 
Just throw an arterial line in why not
There’s a real knowledge and approach gap here between the ED and the outpatient world. I once had a discussion with my PCP friend who also worked urgent care and he says that he sends HTN to the ED so it can be “lowered in a controlled setting”. He pictures patients with BPs of 175/100 getting IV meds and q5 min BPs as we carefully titrate the BP. I was stunned by that mental picture and he was stunned when I told him I don’t treat anything asymptomatic less then 210/130 with IV meds. We both walked away thinking the other was crazy, I’m sure.

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I hate when a NP sends a patient for blood pressure issues and say that they will be admitted.
 
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I hate when a NP sends a patient for blood pressure issues and say that they will be admitted.
I universally throw that person under the bus and say that it was an idiotic thing to say and I can't for the life of me understand why they would have told you that unless they have a serious misconception about how hypertension is treated.
 
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I universally throw that person under the bus and say that it was an idiotic thing to say and I can't for the life of me understand why they would have told you that unless they have a serious misconception about how hypertension is treated.

I do too. I tell the patient that their doctor/NP/dentist is woefully out of date, and that their treatment of blood pressure was so 10 years ago.
 
Dizziness. Dude f that noise. I think the reason I hate it so much is back in residency there was always 1 or 2 attendings that made me MRI or LP these random vague "dizziness" complaints that were honestly more generalized weakness or headache. Part of it was probably the patient population and the associated language barrier. For some reason an incredibly large proportion of Spanish speakers have complaints of dizziness associated with their primary complaint. Every. Freaking. Time. Regardless if I use a phone interpreter or in person translator. I've since become convinced the direct translation of "dizziness" to Spanish must be associated with something broader in their language or culture.

I wonder if we trained at the same place.

Hispanic dizziness (and Hispanic like Mexican, central America, not Spanish) is a catch all phrase that means they just don't feel good. It doesn't mean fainting, it doesn't mean vertigo, it doesn't mean anything besides what a bowl of cooked black beans means......nothing. It took me 4 years, about 50 consecutively negative MRI's, about 10 admissions as such, Neurology consults, and lord knows how many labs and neuro exams to realize that MAREO means ****ing NOTHING. I don't care how old you are....if you say you are MAREO you get a neuro exam, EKG, labs maybe a CT Head and if all is negative AN ABSOLUTE FUUUUCCCCCKKKIINNG discharge. God I wracked up 5M in useless tests just based on that one word that isn't even English.

Hispanic panic is real, extraordinarily real, and an enormous burden on our health care system
 
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I love it, this thread has become just one huge vent thread.

A chief complaint I hate is when people come in and can't even describe what is going on. When I ask them:
How long have you had it?...…..I dunno
Is it getting worse?...……………….I dunno
Do you have pain?...………………..I think so I'm not sure
Do you even want to be here?..Yes I do!

"Sir / Ma'am, you gotta help me on this. I can't figure out what's wrong with you if you can't tell me what's wrong with you."

"I just don't feel well - wah wah wah wah"

AAARRGGGGHHHHH
 
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Asymptomatic HTN has gotten a lot easier for me lately.
“Blood pressure is controlled by what you put in your body, like salt and caffeine, how your heart and kidneys work, and your stress hormones. I can’t change what you put in your body, but I can check your heart (EKG) and your kidneys (creatinine). If those are both ok, you are safe to go home with your high blood pressure so YOU can work on lowering your salt and caffeine intake and lowering your overall stress levels”.
That line is mostly true, takes 45 seconds to say, and only requires two conversations - the initial H&P then the “hey your ekg and kidney function look normal, remember what we talked about...”. No arguments. Puts the onus on the patient to make some changes which they probably need to do. No clonidine or Med adjustments (unless really needed). Sure I do two potentially unnecessary tests but the reassurance really helps the patient and I can get both done in roughly an hour which is not bad for an ESI level 3 patient (they are always triaged that way).

It's awfully nice of you to even check their kidneys.

I like the fight of elevated BP, I take it to them. If it's one of our PCP's sending them in though I chicken out and don't say "They ARE WRONG!!!!"
 
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