there are no published stats on this stuff, but i've kind of acquired a gestalt from going on the interview process and seeing what interviews and matches i've seen from people i've talked to..hawaiigirl2006 said:Hi
I am a MS and I wanted to know what are typical board scores that will get you an interview and get you a position.
nuclearrabbit77 said:there are no published stats on this stuff, but i've kind of acquired a gestalt from going on the interview process and seeing what interviews and matches i've seen from people i've talked to..
it all comes down on how good of a program and in what location.
i'd say roughly, to get interviews at top programs you'll need 250-260+ish range step 1, (excellent clinicals...i.e. 3-7 junior clinical honors, top quartile or AOA), research and a good med school, or MSTP. this won't guarantee an interview but will get you interviews if you apply to enough of these programs.
mid tier, expect 235-250+, above average clinical grades, some research.
there's a big span, but as i'm in the application process right now...i know plenty of people who have 250+, decent clinicals (i.e. 1-3 honors), research, and aren't getting many/any top tier interviews and will most likely end up at a mid-tier program.
it'd be nice if programs would publish data, it'd save us all alot of time and money in applying.
on the flipside, a deficiency in one department can be made up in another department. i.e., low boards, but awesome clinicals, and vice versa. at top tier programs, an MD/Ph.D will help as well. although programs will have cut off step 1 scores so if you don't have a high enough step1 you may be filtered out before you can show off other aspects of your application i also get the general impression that female candidates will have an easier time getting interviews and matching due to the sausage-fest environment of radiology.
matching at a community program, or somewhere out in BFE will decrease competitiveness...plenty of people match into these programs with mediocre stats.
so i'd say that out of the 1100 spots available, the most desirable several hundred of spots (either being top tier or in a desirable location; i.e. Cali, NY, etc.) are tremendously competitive to get, but if you simply want to match SOMEWHERE, you can match into radiology with mediocre statistics.
all this is my opinion and it's simply that..., an opinion. i'd like to hear some other peoples perspective on this as well.
I hope you are rightShah_Patel_PT said:As long as you have above the average scores (step 1 and 2) and good grades in your basic sciences and clinicals, you have a good shot at an interview at some radiology program.
nuclearrabbit77 said:- on a side note, i am kind of inebriated right now, enjoying my 4th year. <GOD... 4TH YEAR RULES>
Many of the rads groups in the desirable locations wont even talk to you without a fellowship, and where you did your residency influences what fellowships are available to you.Quixotic said:What is the significance of where you did a residency when it comes time to get a job? If I end up in BFN Arkansas for residency, can I get a job in Denver making good money?
tigershark said:Many of the rads groups in the desirable locations wont even talk to you without a fellowship, and where you did your residency influences what fellowships are available to you.
Generally speaking, if you do your residency in BFN you are gonna end up working in that same area/region.
I'm working on a Biophysics PhD right now developing new pulse sequences and working on multinuclear NMR/MRI with the intention of applying to rads in a few years. My understanding is that it's better, though not necessary, to do some sort of radiology-applicable research. That's a pretty broad range of topics though and you can spin it in Biophysics, Bioengineering, Neuroscience (fMRI, others), and probably others.PublicHealth said:MD/PhD....PhD in which area is recommend?
I have heard that PD have been looking at Step 2 scores more than step 1 scores recently. A green book research stated that step 2 scores correlated most with board pass rates, than compared to step 1 scores and med school GPAs.Doctorchic2007 said:I was wondering if you needed Step II scores for radiology programs.
I also wanted some thoughts on DO and radiologya nd what the lastest treand, in scores, good places to match that are allopathic and oseopathic??
Can you say BS?Shah_Patel_PT said:I have heard that PD have been looking at Step 2 scores more than step 1 scores recently. A green book research stated that step 2 scores correlated most with board pass rates, than compared to step 1 scores and med school GPAs.
Almost every interviewer has commented on my step 2 score.p53 said:To put things in to perspective, applicant #1 with 240 Step 1 with no Step 2 score >> applicant #2 with 215 Step 1 + 250 Step 2. You can make up for a low Step 1 score BUT you can never completely overcome it because program directors screen interview applicants by Step 1 scores only.
Tigershark, you are an anomaly. People on here know that you rocked Step 1. This means you made the initial screen for Step 1 scores. Sure, every interviewer commented on your Step 2 score. The interviewers would have looked silly if they commented on your high Step 1 score if you also had a high Step 2 score. By commenting just on your Step 2 score does not mean that they consider it worth more or less.tigershark said:Almost every interviewer has commented on my step 2 score.
Step 1 scores may be used to screen, but I would bet money that a strong step 2 will help move your app into the interview pile after the initial screening is done. At top programs theres probably 100+ applicants with a step 1 > 240, a strong step 2 will give you an edge over others without it, who are otherwise identical in stats.
applicant 1 with step 1 >250 and step2 >250 >> applicant 2 with step1 250 and no step 2.
If youre aiming for the top spots step 2 is worth more than just overcoming a weak step1.
This is the type of post that people need to put up. Of course everyone knows you need good board scores and good grades. Those who have 240+ and saying "will I get interview?" are just showing off IMHO. But I do like hearing stories or at least post from 'average' Joes out there. Average meaning average, not your gunners with 230 or 250 scores. I mean is it a surprise to see someone with good Step I score get interviews?EctopicFetus said:I am an EM applicant but one of my closest med schools buds had a 207 on Step 1 barely above avg preclinicals, avg clinicals and applied to ~100 programs. He had 9 interviews by early dec, i havent asked him how he is doing now though, but he got at least 9. Word is you should rank 8-10 to be almost guaranteed a spot. Now I am sure he isnt interviewing at Harvard (or whatever other great rads place is out there) but he will prob match (I hope so for him).
keep in mind also though, where you went to medical school can matter. An above average student from Johns Hopkins, Harvard, Wash U, Duke, UPenn does not equal an above average student from eastern tenn state.EctopicFetus said:Agreed, Honestly I didnt think my buddy had a great chance but I feel better about his chances. Even in EM you hear 230 blah blah blah, I dont have a 230 and I got offers to interview at some of the best EM progs in the US.. I know Rads is more competitive but dont lose hope... You just cant be as picky imo
ObGyn said:keep in mind also though, where you went to medical school can matter. An above average student from Johns Hopkins, Harvard, Wash U, Duke, UPenn does not equal an above average student from eastern tenn state.