U of Florida JAX EM program.. any input?

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Does anybody have any input on UF Jax's residency? What's the word around the campfire (if there are any words around the campfire) about this program. Seems solid and established, but you people always seem to know more than me when it comes to all things EM.

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i've heard good things about it. the only sketchy thing about it that i know of is that you do a clinical scenario with ekg interpretation in the interview. but I don't know all of the details
 
You'll get better answers the more specific your questions are.

I went to school at UF, and did a month of EM at Jax, along with about 3 months of various off-services. Its a very strong program with a county-flair. The ED is very busy, and the population is often of the under-served variety. I think as far as procedures go, the residents there were as good as any. Despite the crowds and the bustle in the ED, I found the conferences well done, and the teaching good. The program is high on resident autonomy, especially for a 3yr program. It is close to the beach. The cafeteria is good, as far as hospitals go. One of my closest friends match there this year, and I keep in touch with a couple of the other residents.

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PROs: I rotated there and loved it. You will love it to if you love county. 3 year program that used to be a 2-4 (faculty there say they still wish it was but they were losing quality applicants), and you can tell by the autonomy afforded to the residents early off. Not a place for people who need hand holding, but you will get guidance mostly from the senior residents but also from faculty who act more like consultants. Completely resident run. Busy but not too busy that you can't think county hospital with a lot of high acuity running through there ICU and resucitation areas and a lot of primary care running through the fast track, all 3 areas are run by residents. Great population to learn EM from. Patients are mostly indigent, primarily black and white. Nursing and ancillary services are good for a county. No drawing blood or putting in IVs and push only sick patients to radiology if you are worried about them (although students sometimes push people to x-ray to speed things up if they are not seeing patients). Front-loaded curriculum with interns worked VERY hard during first year even during ED months and significant drop off thereafter. PGY-3's work < 40 hrs/wk and most moonlight and earn a SIGNIFICANT addition to their salary that year. One of the best trauma systems I have seen in terms of relations with surgery. Trauma gets sent in to a special area adjacent to the main ED and the EM resident who is stationed in trauma works with the trauma team. Technically they switch off with surgery on who runs it day after day but there is so much trauma that usualy the trauma team gets busy in the OR and the EM resident who is on the resucitation shift gets to run much of the trauma on most days. EM is the strongest department in the hospital hands down. Consultants and other services don't come down to the ER unless asked and looking back on it I only saw one consultant in the ED the whole time and I think it was an interventional cardiologist guiding an EM resident through a procedure he was suppose to be doing but the EM resident wanted to try (and he did it). The leadership/administration (Godwin, Caro, Morrissey) are some of the coolest and funniest people I have ever met as well as being excellent clinicians and teachers. Conferences are very good and all have some form of hands on activity with the high tech simulators they have there. The senior residents are very good at what they do and run the ED w/o much help from the attendings.

Cons: The city of Jacksonville. The social scene is just bad. It's hard to find something to do on a Friday or Saturday night and you can forget about going out during the week. Also not much diversity. However, if you are not into that you should be fine. The city has everything else that a big city has (malls, theatres, food, etc). If this program was in a bigger, more active city it would have been at the top of my list. As far as the program: 1/2 shifts are fast track for the first year and like half of the second year with the other 1/2 being ICU (which is more like the real ED w/o the primary care and lacs/abcesses/std's/etc, its not really an ICU thats just what its called). Somewhere in the middle of second year they start letting you work the resucitation area (all unstable patients + trauma... either if EMS brings in someone unstable or if someone in the ICU or fast track becomes unstable they get wheeled into this area where the one and only resident who is staffing it will handle the resucitation) which is separate from the ICU and REALLY cool, but after your one dedicated month you only get like 3 shifts there per month for the remainder of your residency with the other shifts split 50/50 between fast track and ICU. It kind of sucks though when you are working the ICU part of the ED because you lose your patient if they become unstable and the resuc resident takes over. I think the residents pretty much master the fast track area pretty early in the second year though they still spend roughly 40% of their shifts in it. Trauma is plentiful but about 90% is blunt. They round like Internal Medicine (well maybe not that bad but it typicaly lasts for over an hour) on all the patients in the resuc area and ICU area every 8 hrs I think. They say its a strength of the program because its like you are seeing that many more patients without really seeing them but im not so sure all the residents really thought the same especially after a long and taxing shift. Teaching during these rounds is very dependent on the attending sometimes good sometimes not. Godwin is being promoted from PD to chair of something or other so he will still be pulling shifts and what not but I don't think he will be as involved as he was with the program. Although his replacement, Caro, is awesome as well.


Ummm thats all i can think of PM if you want any more info
 
Consultants and other services don't come down to the ER unless asked and looking back on it I only saw one consultant in the ED the whole time and I think it was an interventional cardiologist guiding an EM resident through a procedure he was suppose to be doing but the EM resident wanted to try (and he did it).

I suppose this is a little off topic, but how does this work exactly? Say a pt has classic signs of appendicitis, will surgery just admit the person without a consult?
 
i've heard good things about it. the only sketchy thing about it that i know of is that you do a clinical scenario with ekg interpretation in the interview. but I don't know all of the details

I interviewed there 3 years ago. There was no EKG interpretation scenario.
 
maybe it was tampa with the case scenario. someone here should know
 
USF had EKG scenario. importance of this has been blown dramatically out of proportion on SDN. it is no big deal.
 
Yep, yep. It was my alma mater USF with the ECG during the interview. No big deal at all because if you can't get it, you don't deserve to graduate medical school.

I rotated at UF-Jax. Solid program, especially if you like county programs. I agree 100% with Studentdoctor's assessment. iliacus, Jax is also DO friendly.
 
I'll be doing an elective sometime in dec or jan and other than the fact that the social scene in Jax sucks, it sounds like a great place to learn emergency medicine. I really don't need hand holding and I'm not afraid to ask for help when I need it, so the program does sound perfect for me. Thanks for the input.
 
yeah, don't let the nay-sayers get you too down. Jax nightlife certainly isn't anything close to Miami or NYC, but it is right on the beach, and there are at least a handful of neat pubs and wine bars. Its not Oklahoma City, eh?
 
I'm willing to sacrifice nightlife for good training. We have an EM program right on biscayne bay in Miami Beach. Don't know if any of you have spent any time in Miami Beach, but it's a single guys dream. You can't throw close your eyes and throw a rock down here and not hit a gorgeous women. The parties are insane and the smoking hot drug reps take residents out to clubs and buy all their drinks..But I don't feel the training is as strong as other programs so I'll look elsewhere. I can always move back when I'm done with residency.
 
I'm willing to sacrifice nightlife for good training. We have an EM program right on biscayne bay in Miami Beach. Don't know if any of you have spent any time in Miami Beach, but it's a single guys dream. You can't throw close your eyes and throw a rock down here and not hit a gorgeous women. The parties are insane and the smoking hot drug reps take residents out to clubs and buy all their drinks..But I don't feel the training is as strong as other programs so I'll look elsewhere. I can always move back when I'm done with residency.

DO student? I'm asking because as a fellow Miamian, I was under the impression that the Sinai program was DO only.
 
Jax grad...few things are a little skewed here. Consultants DO come to the ED...from every specialty...maybe you don't notice as much as a student since there are so many residents around and as a residency run program there tends to be a lot of commraderie between many of the off service residents and the ED residents as we rotate together and solve interservice issues often between chiefs and not involving the PDs (with a much more palatable result for everyone involved!) As far as procedures, we did the ones that were indicated. Rarely do I remember a cardiologist ever arriving before we got a transvenous pacer in...so all they needed to do was see the patient breifly and get their orders in...maybe that's another reason the consultants didn't seem to be around.

As far as the shifts, the work is in an area that was intended for fast track but the patients that are actually triaged to the area in use are intermediate for the most part...though sick patients end up there when the place is slammed. A traditional fast track means only quick in & out patients...residents see lots of belly pain, do some sedations and countless elderly weak and dizzies (never fast) with normal vital signs in that area. In fact managing this area as a resident is often tougher than the monitored slam dunk admits of chest pain and short of breath that dominate the other side.

In short, we worked hard but got a great training. Interns work the most hours but by the time we were seniors we worked less than some of the attendings leaving plenty of time for extracurriculars like going to the beach, golfing, or moonlighting!
 
I'm willing to sacrifice nightlife for good training. We have an EM program right on biscayne bay in Miami Beach. Don't know if any of you have spent any time in Miami Beach, but it's a single guys dream. You can't throw close your eyes and throw a rock down here and not hit a gorgeous women. The parties are insane and the smoking hot drug reps take residents out to clubs and buy all their drinks..But I don't feel the training is as strong as other programs so I'll look elsewhere. I can always move back when I'm done with residency.



I wouldn't go to a place I didn't think I would get strong training either just because it's a great place to live. In fact I wanted a strong clinical program first. But #2 on my list was location. I'm not saying Jacksonville sucks, it doesn't, it just wasn't for me. There is the beach and it has all the amenities of a big city but is much more affordable. Im just saying I was looking for something else in where I lived and with the # of great EM training programs, you can definitely find a strong clinical program in a location that you like which is what I did.
 
Agreed...you can be receiving the greatest clinical education in the world, but if you're living someplace where you're absolutely miserable what's the point? Why not have the best of both worlds and get a great education and be happy where you live.
 
I just have to defend Jax nightlife a little.....I just started intern year here. And by the way, LOVE IT. But I went pretty hard the first two weeks before starting and yes it doesnt compare to any of the huge cities (this coming from a person from a big city) but EVERY night at JAX beach theres a drink special and a good looking crowd to be found (maybe not Monday, but thats it). The people are super friendly here (may not have the best grammar some of them) but Im near the beach, I can surf before work, come home relax on my hammock, and have $2 beers pretty much any night of the week.
And the program, to be honest wasnt my first choice (mostly due to lack of knowledge), but the more Im finding out about it, the more I love it. They work you hard intern year but then your 2nd and 3rd year is alot easier than other programs. From what I hear after two years youll be comfortable with EVERYTHING and then 3rd years is just cruisin. You will see and do everything here. My classmates are intubating starting day one. You gotta love county patients though. I wouldnt want to train anywhere else. I can take care of Grandma Jones with Pneumonia later on. Its called residency, work hard, see it all, learn your stuff, be a great doctor.
 
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