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Kind of in a pickle.

I was admitted into both University of Chicago and UC Berkeley, and now I have no idea where to go. I absolutely adore UChicago, but since I grew up near Berkeley and so many of my high school alumni attend UCB, I know I'll fit in well enough.

Right now, I'm trying to weigh the pros and cons of both schools. This is what I have so far, in no particular order:


Berkeley:
[Pros]--Close to home; 30,000 dollars cheaper; easy to fit in; possibly easier to get higher GPA; fantastic weather
[Cons]--Harder to get good internships/research opportunities; large class sizes; more competitive; less time with professors/advisors; lower med school admit rates

UChicago:
[Pros]--Fabulous internship/research opportunities; medical center on campus; love the atmosphere; more time with advisors/professors; higher med school admit rates
[Cons]--Harder to get high GPA (or, as harsh as it sounds on Berkeley, higher caliber of students in general); cold weather; 30,000 dollars more



Specifically, if you guys have any opinions/thoughts about the premed at either of these schools, I would be pathetically grateful to hear them. And thanks for your time! 🙂
 
Kind of in a pickle.

I was admitted into both University of Chicago and UC Berkeley, and now I have no idea where to go. I absolutely adore UChicago, but since I grew up near Berkeley and so many of my high school alumni attend UCB, I know I'll fit in well enough.

Right now, I'm trying to weigh the pros and cons of both schools. This is what I have so far, in no particular order:


Berkeley:
[Pros]--Close to home; 30,000 dollars cheaper; easy to fit in; possibly easier to get higher GPA; fantastic weather
[Cons]--Harder to get good internships/research opportunities; large class sizes; more competitive; less time with professors/advisors; lower med school admit rates

UChicago:
[Pros]--Fabulous internship/research opportunities; medical center on campus; love the atmosphere; more time with advisors/professors; higher med school admit rates
[Cons]--Harder to get high GPA (or, as harsh as it sounds on Berkeley, higher caliber of students in general); cold weather; 30,000 dollars more



Specifically, if you guys have any opinions/thoughts about the premed at either of these schools, I would be pathetically grateful to hear them. And thanks for your time! 🙂

I'm a UofC alum and I can tell you right now that if you want to do premed, the UofC is NOT the place for you. A majority of their classes are research oriented for bench scientists and hardly relevant to topics you would be interested in as a doctor. And I hope you consider that the Chicago winters are HORRIBLE and coupled with hard classes and lack of social distractions most students are miserable during the winter months of November to March. You'd have much more of a life in Berkley unless you like spending your Friday/Saturday nights talking about Plato vs Aristotle in the hallways.
 
Unfortunately, I am one of those students talking about Plato vs Aristotle in the hallways. 🙂 But thank you for the advice! The Chicago winters are definitely scaring me (California girl through and through) and I'm rather terrified of being cold to the point where I can't focus. So thanks for the warning!
 
I have a lot of friends from Chicago, who considered schools like Northwestern & UChicago. They said UChi has great academics, but the people / social life / overall happiness as an undergrad was a major negative for them. Never been to the school myself, but that's just what I've heard. Good luck!
 
Don't go to Chicago. No undergrad enjoys their experience there. I say that as someone going to Chicago for med school (which has an entirely different culture). I can almost guarantee you won't be happy if you study there.
 
Don't go to Chicago. No undergrad enjoys their experience there. I say that as someone going to Chicago for med school (which has an entirely different culture). I can almost guarantee you won't be happy if you study there.

Is this because of the academic rigor or just because of the school in general? I can see myself completely fitting in and have already fallen in love with the school, but I know I'd have to work my butt off like never before, and if that's the case...


Anyways, thank you for the advice! 🙂 Since you're studying there, how stressed do the undergrads look, in your opinion?:laugh:
 
Is this because of the academic rigor or just because of the school in general? I can see myself completely fitting in and have already fallen in love with the school, but I know I'd have to work my butt off like never before, and if that's the case...


Anyways, thank you for the advice! 🙂 Since you're studying there, how stressed do the undergrads look, in your opinion?:laugh:

U of C's unofficial motto is "Where fun goes to die". I kid you not. You may be an academic and a self proclaimed nerd (like me 😛), but you want to have a decent college experience. UCB is great, and you don't always need to get internships through your school. With good grades and a resume with "UC Berkeley" at the top, you should have no problem finding research, shadowing doctors and getting internships or summer jobs.

Good luck.
 
U of C's unofficial motto is "Where fun goes to die". I kid you not. You may be an academic and a self proclaimed nerd (like me 😛), but you want to have a decent college experience. UCB is great, and you don't always need to get internships through your school. With good grades and a resume with "UC Berkeley" at the top, you should have no problem finding research, shadowing doctors and getting internships or summer jobs.

Good luck.

Haha, yes, I've definitely heard that motto before, as well as the slightly more...sexual one. 😉 But thanks for the advice! I adore UChicago and it's my ideal school, but I'm also not willing to give up the college experience, like you said. I think my biggest worry right now isn't getting internships through my school, but simply an internship in general. Berkeley has some pretty intense competition, especially in the science/math departments, and I don't know if I can compete with that. Mind, I have a few dozen friends in those departments, and I say that not to be humble but because I recognize that their capabilities are much greater than mine. 😳 I'm also thinking that I might possibly end up with better connections from UChicago as well as have a better relationship with professors, etc., but that is a big if.


Basically, I can't make up my mind. About anything.*facepalm* Thank you for your advice though! 🙂
 
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Haha, yes, I've definitely heard that motto before, as well as the slightly more...sexual one. 😉 But thanks for the advice! I adore UChicago and it's my ideal school, but I'm also not willing to give up the college experience, like you said. I think my biggest worry right now isn't getting internships through my school, but simply an internship in general. Berkeley has some pretty intense competition, especially in the science/math departments, and I don't know if I can compete with that. Mind, I have a few dozen friends in those departments, and I say that not to be humble but because I recognize that their capabilities are much greater than mine. 😳 I'm also thinking that I might possibly end up with better connections from UChicago as well as have a better relationship with professors, etc., but that is a big if.


Basically, I can't make up my mind. About anything.*facepalm* Thank you for your advice though! 🙂

Well if it's your ideal school, then don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I know I wouldn't, and you will regret it if you do.
 
Well if it's your ideal school, then don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I know I wouldn't, and you will regret it if you do.

Haha, but then again, being a physician is my ideal profession. What do I know, anyways? I'm just a teenage kid who's probably going to change her mind in a few weeks or so.


I think right now my biggest dilemma is that I had my heart set on UChicago for so long, but I also had my heart set on being a physician, which is definitely not easy to do at UChicago undergrad. So I'm trying to figure out if I want to give up my dream school for my dream job, or possibly vise versa.


Thank you for the advice though! Right now, I feel as if it rings especially true for me. 🙂 I'm really weighing whether or not I'm going to, like you said, regret it if I choose Berkeley over UChicago.
 
You know what I would regret? Not being able to do what I love for the rest of my life because I really wanted to go to a school that almost derailed that dream (I kid you not). Listen, I'm not trying to be a jackass to you and I'm not trying to dissuade you from doing whatever it is you want to do with your life but since you posted a question I'm going to answer it in the most honest and blunt way possible so I apologize beforehand.

The first question you should ask yourself is "how sure am I about medicine?" If you're sure, than know these simple facts about getting into med school.
1. GPA matters
2. MCAT matters
3. Research and internships matter only to the extent that you've done them
4. Your college name doesn't matter much

With regard to the UofC:
1. Biggest obstacle because you're going to work twice as hard for a worse grade due to competition and therefore your GPA suffers. You want to have the highest GPA possible applying. Also, Berkley is no slouch either in academic circles so going there doesn't make you less of a scholar. And yes, I do know you're going to need to work hard regardless of where you go but you'll need to work unnecessarily harder at the UofC.
2. This is pretty much a self study thing so it doesn't really matter where you go. But the impression I got about the UofC basic sciences is that they really don't do a good job teaching it, but whatever.
3. As long as you do SOME research SOMEWHERE you're good. Adcoms don't care that you didn't get published or what famous person you worked for. As long as you did it you're good. Publications are obviously a plus.
4. As I mentioned Berkley's name is just as well regarded without the social lameness of the school. So just because it's not ranked in the "top 10" doesn't mean it's less of a school.

The next question should be "what am I looking for in my college experience and does my personality fit the school?"

If you're fairly anti social and would rather seclude yourself in your room reading a book or discussing Plato, as you mentioned, you may like the UofC. There's nothing to do in the South Side with no real bars or places to hang out for college kids, taking a bus downtown takes forever, and the weather is just going to really really suck. I can't stress this hard enough. It's SUPER depressing in the winter. Personality is probably pretty key here. I didn't like it cause my personality clashed with the "weirdness" of the school that so many people embraced. I didn't like hanging out "philosophizing" about the meaning of life or why a couch is called a couch (serious story). I'd rather be out working out, playing sports and being active. I'm not adverse to intellectual discourse but not all day every day. Anyway, my point is you won't have a normal college experience in UofC. But if you don't care about that kind of stuff than disregard everything I just said.

Was my experience there completely ****ty? No, but I actually had to go out of my way to have a good experience ... nothing that could be found in the school environment. And the friends I made there will be my close friends forever. But other than that I really have nothing good to say about the school itself. Who knows maybe the culture has changed since I was there.
 
You know what I would regret? Not being able to do what I love for the rest of my life because I really wanted to go to a school that almost derailed that dream (I kid you not). Listen, I'm not trying to be a jackass to you and I'm not trying to dissuade you from doing whatever it is you want to do with your life but since you posted a question I'm going to answer it in the most honest and blunt way possible so I apologize beforehand.

The first question you should ask yourself is "how sure am I about medicine?" If you're sure, than know these simple facts about getting into med school.
1. GPA matters
2. MCAT matters
3. Research and internships matter only to the extent that you've done them
4. Your college name doesn't matter much

With regard to the UofC:
1. Biggest obstacle because you're going to work twice as hard for a worse grade due to competition and therefore your GPA suffers. You want to have the highest GPA possible applying. Also, Berkley is no slouch either in academic circles so going there doesn't make you less of a scholar. And yes, I do know you're going to need to work hard regardless of where you go but you'll need to work unnecessarily harder at the UofC.
2. This is pretty much a self study thing so it doesn't really matter where you go. But the impression I got about the UofC basic sciences is that they really don't do a good job teaching it, but whatever.
3. As long as you do SOME research SOMEWHERE you're good. Adcoms don't care that you didn't get published or what famous person you worked for. As long as you did it you're good. Publications are obviously a plus.
4. As I mentioned Berkley's name is just as well regarded without the social lameness of the school. So just because it's not ranked in the "top 10" doesn't mean it's less of a school.

The next question should be "what am I looking for in my college experience and does my personality fit the school?"

If you're fairly anti social and would rather seclude yourself in your room reading a book or discussing Plato, as you mentioned, you may like the UofC. There's nothing to do in the South Side with no real bars or places to hang out for college kids, taking a bus downtown takes forever, and the weather is just going to really really suck. I can't stress this hard enough. It's SUPER depressing in the winter. Personality is probably pretty key here. I didn't like it cause my personality clashed with the "weirdness" of the school that so many people embraced. I didn't like hanging out "philosophizing" about the meaning of life or why a couch is called a couch (serious story). I'd rather be out working out, playing sports and being active. I'm not adverse to intellectual discourse but not all day every day. Anyway, my point is you won't have a normal college experience in UofC. But if you don't care about that kind of stuff than disregard everything I just said.

Was my experience there completely ****ty? No, but I actually had to go out of my way to have a good experience ... nothing that could be found in the school environment. And the friends I made there will be my close friends forever. But other than that I really have nothing good to say about the school itself. Who knows maybe the culture has changed since I was there.

Thank you so much for this post. Seriously. No, SERIOUSLY, this isn't sarcastic. I cannot thank you enough, because this is exactly what I wanted and needed to hear. You definitely did not come off as a jackass, and I really appreciate how blunt and honest you were.

I think you bring up some really good points--about the unnecessary work as well as the depressing-as-hell winters. I do think that my personality fits UChicago, but I would also fit Berkeley just fine, and as you said, I don't think I would forgive myself if I lost my dream job because I was naive and idealistic enough to choose my dream college over it. I visited, and I don't think the culture has changed at all; people are still crazy eccentric and proud of it. My personality would fit in, but at the same time, I still want the college experience, and UCB would definitely give me more of that then the intellectual/academic orgy that UChicago has. Of course, I would have loved to indulge in something like that, but at the same time, my practicality won't let me forget that, hey, I need to support myself in the future, and my undergrad is a crucial step in that.

I think I had this ideal vision of UChicago that I'm having a hard time letting go: that it'll allow me to explore myself/figure myself out/discover who I am. And I think the practicality of Berkeley wouldn't let me do that to the same insane degree. So right now, I'm trying to decide how much, like you stated, I really want to be a physician. I feel like this might be a little too early to make such a concrete decision, but at the same time, I don't want to blow 120,000 bucks of my parents money just to "keep my options open," (i.e. attend UChicago).


Anyhoo, in lieu of my massive type!rant, I just wanted to thank you again. I think I simply needed a honest summary of what UChicago would have been like for my med school chances in comparison to Berkeley, and you definitely gave me that. 🙂
 
Hey, no worries Thrace. I'm just here to help you out and give you the facts. The decision is all up to you and I'm sure you'll succeed no matter which school you decide to go to. If you have any more questions about the UofC or even just questions about med school process, tips about approaching college classes etc, feel free to PM me. Always glad to help and prevent others from my mistakes.
 
Hey, no worries Thrace. I'm just here to help you out and give you the facts. The decision is all up to you and I'm sure you'll succeed no matter which school you decide to go to. If you have any more questions about the UofC or even just questions about med school process, tips about approaching college classes etc, feel free to PM me. Always glad to help and prevent others from my mistakes.

Cool! Thanks for your help! Haha beware you're about to be flooded with indecisive PMs.
 
Is this because of the academic rigor or just because of the school in general? I can see myself completely fitting in and have already fallen in love with the school, but I know I'd have to work my butt off like never before, and if that's the case...


Anyways, thank you for the advice! 🙂 Since you're studying there, how stressed do the undergrads look, in your opinion?:laugh:

I think its both 1) academic rigor and 2) the competition amongst the students (as someone alluded to). The medical students said MULTIPLE times that the undergrads always look depressed and beat down (and they were saying this seriously). Chicago has earned its reputation from something, and its pretty infamous for its culture.

While I was at the Pritzker revisit weekend, I spent quite a bit of time talking to a girl that went to Chicago and studied biology. She tried to make it seem enjoyable, but once I told her that I knew the reputation she basically admitted that it sucked. I don't remember what her specific gripes were, but the overall experience from her perspective was pretty negative.

Go with your heart - if you think Chicago is where you'll be happiest, don't let anyone convince you otherwise - but understand what you're getting yourself into.
 
I think its both 1) academic rigor and 2) the competition amongst the students (as someone alluded to). The medical students said MULTIPLE times that the undergrads always look depressed and beat down (and they were saying this seriously). Chicago has earned its reputation from something, and its pretty infamous for its culture.

While I was at the Pritzker revisit weekend, I spent quite a bit of time talking to a girl that went to Chicago and studied biology. She tried to make it seem enjoyable, but once I told her that I knew the reputation she basically admitted that it sucked. I don't remember what her specific gripes were, but the overall experience from her perspective was pretty negative.

Go with your heart - if you think Chicago is where you'll be happiest, don't let anyone convince you otherwise - but understand what you're getting yourself into.
Gotcha. Thanks for the advice! I think I'll give up my dream school if that means I'll have an easier time achieving my dream job. 🙂 I suppose I could always apply there for med school (which, if I may ask you, how difficult is it?), and it's not like Berkeley's all that bad either. 😉
 
Go to Cal! You get the chance to attend, arguably, the best public institution in the US for a fraction of what it costs to attend UChicago.

Do your parents a favor and choose the cheaper alternative.

PS: You will not have a higher GPA at Cal than UChicago unless you're a 1) super genius or 2) have your besties pass you 5 different versions of old exams from previous years. UCB attracts the 'cream of the crop' from high schools across California and the US. It'll be cut-throat if you're pre-health regardless of where you go, but I feel it'll be even harder at Cal than other top UCs.
 
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