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Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by Drako, May 30, 2002.

  1. Drako

    Drako Senior Member
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    What do you guys think? Which school should I pick? Need some help deciding! Give me your thoughts and reasons. UCI or Pittsburgh?
     
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  3. wait, aren't you waitlisted at UCSF high priority...then go with UCSF :D

    in all honesty, drako...the only person who can answer this is yourself...

    if you ask californian students, obviously they will state UCI....

    if you ask pple who want to stay in the east coast...then u know that answer...

    I think the only true pple who can make the true comparisons are pple who have gone to "both" schools....which is highly unlikely to happen...

    why won't you list the cons and pros that you feel about each school...and maybe we can push u in the right direction....

    I still think you should go to ucsf <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
     
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    Everyone on earth seems to be deciding between one school and UCI...wow. Well, UCI already got my own vote (and my attendence). I wanted to have good weather and be near my family. Those may not be the same issues for you though. And yes, Californians, which I am through and through, will choose UCI...
     
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    Both are good research schools, but I'm darn sure that U Pitts is stronger. They've a kick-ass MSTP program.

    They both also have good teaching hospitals...people never look at those, yet these are the places you spend most of your time 3&4 and basically determine what you're going to match in residency.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by WatchaMaCallit:
    <strong>wait, aren't you waitlisted at UCSF high priority...then go with UCSF :D

    in all honesty, drako...the only person who can answer this is yourself...

    if you ask californian students, obviously they will state UCI....

    if you ask pple who want to stay in the east coast...then u know that answer...

    I think the only true pple who can make the true comparisons are pple who have gone to "both" schools....which is highly unlikely to happen...

    why won't you list the cons and pros that you feel about each school...and maybe we can push u in the right direction....

    I still think you should go to ucsf <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">yep. UCSF will let you defer to next year if stay high-priority on the wait-list. Let me tell you, UCSF is one of the best schools, best research, best locations, great students, best match %'s.
     
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    Alright, the list: (+)s are pros and (-)s are cons

    UCI:
    1. close to my parents, who have only me (+)
    2. in southern california & its weather (+)
    3. low living expenses (+)
    4. my alma matter (+/-)
    5. curriculum is not spectacular; very traditional (+/-)
    6. overly emphasis upon primary care (-)
    7. still suffering from the scandals of years ago (-)
    8. same old environment for me (-)
    9. hospital is ~20 miles from campus (-)
    10. low tuition (+)

    Pittsburgh:

    1. excellent school; US News ranked 17th (+)
    2. awesome matchlist this year (+)
    3. non-primary-care; look at matchlist (+)
    4. very happy students (+)
    5. new experiences = personal growth? (+)
    6. extensive hospital system = limitless clinical opportunities (+)
    7. awarded me a scholarship (+)
    8. extremely supportive administrative staff (+)
    9. top 10 orthopedic residency, which I want to study (+)
    10. innovative curriculum (lecture + PBL) (+)
    11. far away from home and parents (-)
    12. cold!!! (-)
    13. high cost but somewhat reduced by scholarship (-)
    14. research opportunities abundant (+)

    These are the things I could think of right now. Help me decide.
     
  8. Drako

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> UCSF will let you defer to next year if stay high-priority on the wait-list. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">princess, what do you mean by that?
     
  9. Mr.D

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    Drako,

    Based on what you listed, it seem like the obvious choice would be Pitt, especially since you've stated that you want to do ortho. Change is good and remember that you can also come back to Cali to do your residency.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by aesculapian:
    <strong>Drako,

    Based on what you listed, it seem like the obvious choice would be Pitt, especially since you've stated that you want to do ortho. Change is good and remember that you can also come back to Cali to do your residency.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well said aesculapian. My sentiments exactly. Drako - from the gist of your pros/cons, pitt seems like the way to go. Best of luck to you!
     
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    Well, ortho should help pay for your massive loan debt. :) Just be happy with your decision.
     
  12. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Drako:
    <strong>Alright, the list: (+)s are pros and (-)s are cons

    UCI:
    1. close to my parents, who have only me (+)
    2. in southern california & its weather (+)
    3. low living expenses (+)
    4. my alma matter (+/-)
    5. curriculum is not spectacular; very traditional (+/-)
    6. overly emphasis upon primary care (-)
    7. still suffering from the scandals of years ago (-)
    8. same old environment for me (-)
    9. hospital is ~20 miles from campus (-)
    10. low tuition (+)

    Pittsburgh:

    1. excellent school; US News ranked 17th (+)
    2. awesome matchlist this year (+)
    3. non-primary-care; look at matchlist (+)
    4. very happy students (+)
    5. new experiences = personal growth? (+)
    6. extensive hospital system = limitless clinical opportunities (+)
    7. awarded me a scholarship (+)
    8. extremely supportive administrative staff (+)
    9. top 10 orthopedic residency, which I want to study (+)
    10. innovative curriculum (lecture + PBL) (+)
    11. far away from home and parents (-)
    12. cold!!! (-)
    13. high cost but somewhat reduced by scholarship (-)
    14. research opportunities abundant (+)

    These are the things I could think of right now. Help me decide.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ok, see u made my life easier..

    I counted UCI, had 4 +s, 4 -s, and two +/-
    so total count is ZERO, neutral...

    lets count pitts 11+s, and 2-s.... :rolleyes: well Drako, u tell me, is it really apparent on WHERE U WANT TO GO :D

    of course, besides sign value, u could also place magnitude 1 to 10, and then do the math again...but I highly doubt that the 2-s for pits could outweigh the 11+s u wrote it!!!!

    don't u luv watcha now? :D
     
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    watcha, you crack me up!
     
  14. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Drako:
    <strong>watcha, you crack me up!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">see, now the real question you should be asking....

    is where is watcha going to school...cuz wherever watcha goes...then the pple will learn to enjoy life to the fullest :cool: :rolleyes: (watcha vanity)....that would add a couple of ++++++s to your list...I think I would be the only factor, if you added me to your list, that would tip the scale against pitts <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> of course, now I am not even considering UCI, and pitts showed me no luv...so ur choice is easy to make....

    :D
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Drako:
    <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> UCSF will let you defer to next year if stay high-priority on the wait-list. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">princess, what do you mean by that?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you are high on the alternate list, you may be granted a spot in next year's (2007) class. This is because they feel the first alternates are qualified to matriculate even if there aren't spots for them in the current year's class.
     
  16. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bikini Princess:
    <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Drako:
    <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> UCSF will let you defer to next year if stay high-priority on the wait-list. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">princess, what do you mean by that?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you are high on the alternate list, you may be granted a spot in next year's (2007) class. This is because they feel the first alternates are qualified to matriculate even if there aren't spots for them in the current year's class.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" alt="[Wowie]" title="" src="graemlins/wowie.gif" />

    DANG....had I been placed on the waitlist, then I would have definitely deferred until I got a position! :(

    <img border="0" alt="[Pissy]" title="" src="graemlins/pissy.gif" />

    oh well maybe residency hehe :)
     
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    If my choices where to go to Pitts or wait for the next year to get into UCSF, I would just go to pittsburgh and start school. I don't think I can do the one year wait.
     
  18. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Drako:
    <strong>If my choices where to go to Pitts or wait for the next year to get into UCSF, I would just go to pittsburgh and start school. I don't think I can do the one year wait.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ok....now watcha feels the need to slap u!?!?

    take 4 months vacation to europe, 4 months sleep over and recover from vacation, 4 months of research work, and 4 months sleeping over and recovering from research work?!

    before u know it, wink wink....

    if I were in ur shoes...I'd wait, even 2 years :)

    of course, it wouldnt hurt to get a masters in the interim.....but dang...i sure would hell luv to go there

    UCSF is perfect for me in every way possible <img border="0" alt="[Lovey]" title="" src="graemlins/lovey.gif" />

    I fell in luv with that school....
     
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    Watcha, your plan sounds good! You know, if I have the money, I would do exactly what you just said. But I could only afford a plane ticket and a month stay in Vietnam. In fact, I am leaving in a day for the southeast asia country. I am a little excited and at the same time nervous about all the waitlist that I am on. :)

    Thanks Watcha for all your help and calculations. By the way, there was three minuses in the Pittsburgh section of my list up there. :D I think I could go on about Pitt Med and add more +'s. I did that last night and go no sleep whatsoever. I am really tired now and not even sleepy. And I even thought that AMCAS was the final major stressor in my life for this summer. This is getting to be up there with the AMCAS stress.
     
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    I side with Pitt.

    Change is good for you, and you can always match back in california. It's a better school, hands down, and you have a scholarship to help pay for it as well.
     
  21. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Drako:
    <strong>Watcha, your plan sounds good! You know, if I have the money, I would do exactly what you just said. But I could only afford a plane ticket and a month stay in Vietnam. In fact, I am leaving in a day for the southeast asia country. I am a little excited and at the same time nervous about all the waitlist that I am on. :)

    Thanks Watcha for all your help and calculations. By the way, there was three minuses in the Pittsburgh section of my list up there. :D I think I could go on about Pitt Med and add more +'s. I did that last night and go no sleep whatsoever. I am really tired now and not even sleepy. And I even thought that AMCAS was the final major stressor in my life for this summer. This is getting to be up there with the AMCAS stress.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">best of luck Drako...u have great choices...and enjoy your vacation! I'm sure you will be an asset to everyone going to pitt...

    I think choker is going there too, and he is one kewl kat :cool:
     
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    Now, my main cocern is whether or not I will match into a great residency program for orthopedic surgery four years from now. Does it matter where you attend medical school? Or only your USMLE scores, rotations performance, and letter of recommendations matter when apply for residency?

    This is decision is driving me right out of my mind. I was looking at the finance for two school yesterday. At Pittsburgh, I still have to borrow 33K. At UCI, I would only have to borrow enough to pay the student fees, plus aditional misc. spendings; probably max 15K. After four years, it would be ~130K vs. ~40-60K. Hmmm...

    Any more advice from you guys?
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Drako:
    <strong>Now, my main cocern is whether or not I will match into a great residency program for orthopedic surgery four years from now. Does it matter where you attend medical school? Or only your USMLE scores, rotations performance, and letter of recommendations matter when apply for residency?

    This is decision is driving me right out of my mind. I was looking at the finance for two school yesterday. At Pittsburgh, I still have to borrow 33K. At UCI, I would only have to borrow enough to pay the student fees, plus aditional misc. spendings; probably max 15K. After four years, it would be ~130K vs. ~40-60K. Hmmm...

    Any more advice from you guys?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think that you have to include your class rank, and maybe AOA if you can get it.
    I do agree with you that the medical school you go to has less of a factor than how you perform in relation to your class and on the boards.
    However, the medical school will have some influence on the residency admissions process.
    Pitt has a great reputation, and their orthopaedics program is really strong.
    As for your calculations, where does room and board fit in with your UCI cost? Do you plan on living at home? YucK!!
    Personally i think the cost of ~70k won't be that hard to deal with as an orthopaedic surgeon. they have the highest average starting salaries for any specialty.

    Yet, im sure cali girls are way nicer looking.....

    hmm

    lol
     
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    Housing just isn't a major problem at UCI. The waitlist is a year long, but that's bypassable with the pre-entry program. Once you do get into campus housing...it's as cheap as $230 a month (with utilities!), and it averages about $350. UCI will be much cheaper, have no illusions about that.
     
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    Hi Drako,

    Go to Pitt; hopefully, I may be joining you in the year twenty-03.
    <img border="0" alt="[Clappy]" title="" src="graemlins/clappy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Clappy]" title="" src="graemlins/clappy.gif" />
     
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    Pitt is a really good school
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Pitt is a really good school </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hell yeah! I totally agree with u!

    If I go UCI, I plan to live at home. Mind you, I still have to pay rent and utilities by living at home. BUT, I don't have to cook everyday! That is a big plus! More, I will be able to help out my parents if things go wrong.

    Femto, why u want me to go to pitts? :D What you want man? I might be your student interviewer and I will drill you on everything that my interviewers drilled me; revenge!!! :D of course, I am kidding.
     
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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Femto, why u want me to go to pitts? What you want man? I might be your student interviewer and I will drill you on everything that my interviewers drilled me; revenge!!! of course, I am kidding. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

    It's easier to bribe students (especially poor medical schools students) than highly paid doctors. Catch my drift? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

    But for real, Pitt is a wonderful institution. I have walked around the classrooms/labs and they seem very nice. However, I have never talked to any students that go to Pitt. My mother, who is an associate professor at Pitt, sometimes teaches Pitt med students and what I hear from her is they are very high caliber students.

    Good luck,

    Go Pitt! <img border="0" alt="[Clappy]" title="" src="graemlins/clappy.gif" />
     
  29. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Drako:
    <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Pitt is a really good school </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hell yeah! I totally agree with u!

    If I go UCI, I plan to live at home. Mind you, I still have to pay rent and utilities by living at home. BUT, I don't have to cook everyday! That is a big plus! More, I will be able to help out my parents if things go wrong.

    Femto, why u want me to go to pitts? :D What you want man? I might be your student interviewer and I will drill you on everything that my interviewers drilled me; revenge!!! :D of course, I am kidding.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ur going to be living at home but u still have to pay rent and utilities? :rolleyes: :D

    does this mean after four years, at least 1/4th of the house will belong to u? :)
     
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    I think it's a bit silly for parents to charge their children in medical school rent. You're clearly going to be in a position to support them in the future. They should consider it an important investment.
     
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    You think it is silly for them to charge me rent during medical schools? Well, then you must think it is absurd for them to charge me rent during undergraduate years? Yes, they did. Not because they asked for it. But because I wanted to. I don't want to live off of them like a incompenent fool so I paid my dues.

    Whether or not the house is 1/4 mine in four years, I don't know. We rent though. We can't afford to buy a house in southern california. Houses are expensive here!
     
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    Pitt hands down. It's really not even a decision. And, I'm a Cali resident. So there goes that stereotype. The best school = the best residency = the best doctor. It's that simple.
     

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