UCSF for Prestige, or Loma Linda for GPR?

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[FONT='&#23435]Can anyone tell me their dental school experience at UCSF or Loma Linda?.
[FONT='&#23435]I am graduating from UCLA this year and got in UCSF and Loma linda Dental schools. So far, I havn't consider going into any specialty now, probably just do GPR. I am concening about conection lost if i choose to leave LA, but the other hand the prestige of UCSF also attracts me. Definately prestige is not the most important factor. Could anybody give me any suggestion? Would it make harder if i choose to go back to LA and practice, or should i practice in SF? How's the curriculum intensity in both school?.
[FONT='&#23435]Also i i consider about going foreign country and practice, which school should i choose? .
[FONT='&#23435]Thanks for any advise..

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Didn't realize it was for GPR.
 
prestige, Who you trying to impress? That does not mean anything to another dentist or to a patient. That would be like bragging you went to Harvard dental school.

If you want to impress people then go to a specialty, or do an FAGD or MAGD after dental school. I can't imagin going to dental school just to impress people.

Chose the cheapest school or the location and school you like most. After three years of hard work if you want to be a specialist apply. I have seen people from the top of the class and from the low end of the class getting into residencies.
 
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I didn't know UCSF had any prestige. I would think that hard work at either of these schools would be enough to get to where you want to go in your dental career. I would look at cost and also look at where you would like to practice after school.
 
prestige, Who you trying to impress? That does not mean anything to another dentist or to a patient. That would be like bragging you went to Harvard dental school.

haha, you shouldn't be suprised by this, but I've seen an ad for an AZ dentist who says something along the lines of just this "Harvard Trained Dentist - xxx-xxx-xxxx"

You can bet some money that when a new family moves to town and the local brownie-bakers welcome the new housewife to the neighborhood, dentists, doctors, banks, etc come up. And ".....o, mine is good, he's a harvard dentist..." comes up alot. Not just he/she's a nice person...staff is great....etc

Some places have the ultimate in brand recognition. Harvard gets placed on a pedistal no matter where you are, movies, articles, worthless online forums.

I even got sucked into it...I chose the Harvard-MD for my laser corrected vision. Does it matter? Nope!

But does advertising like "Harvard Trained Dentist" imply superiority? Isn't that against the ADA ethics?

So to the op....go someplace cheap. Or why not LLU for the proximity to your final stomping grounds. You can be brown-nosing during that year setting yourself up for success. Or go live in SF. It's rad. But don't even look at the school name...unless it is Harvard. Then go to Harvard. UCSF is not impressive to anyone outside the medical profession. And even from within....those who are truely educated within your field will likely rattle off 18 other places they like better, including their own program.

Good luck! You're asking yourself important questions!
 
haha, you shouldn't be suprised by this, but I've seen an ad for an AZ dentist who says something along the lines of just this "Harvard Trained Dentist - xxx-xxx-xxxx"

You can bet some money that when a new family moves to town and the local brownie-bakers welcome the new housewife to the neighborhood, dentists, doctors, banks, etc come up. And ".....o, mine is good, he's a harvard dentist..." comes up alot. Not just he/she's a nice person...staff is great....etc

Some places have the ultimate in brand recognition. Harvard gets placed on a pedistal no matter where you are, movies, articles, worthless online forums.

I even got sucked into it...I chose the Harvard-MD for my laser corrected vision. Does it matter? Nope!

But does advertising like "Harvard Trained Dentist" imply superiority? Isn't that against the ADA ethics?

So to the op....go someplace cheap. Or why not LLU for the proximity to your final stomping grounds. You can be brown-nosing during that year setting yourself up for success. Or go live in SF. It's rad. But don't even look at the school name...unless it is Harvard. Then go to Harvard. UCSF is not impressive to anyone outside the medical profession. And even from within....those who are truely educated within your field will likely rattle off 18 other places they like better, including their own program.

Good luck! You're asking yourself important questions!

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Harvard graduates advertise themselves to squeeze every ounce of name recognition out of their degree. I know a lot of people from Harvard so I am familiar with their mentality--it seems like they think the word "Harvard" alone is enough to give them a pass at everything. Obviously I think differently.

But in the end, I have to agree with those that say that prestige and name recognition in Dentistry mean very little. In business and law it might be completely different, but in our field I wouldn't go to a school just for the name. The benefits are just too marginal.
 
what prestige? the general public doesn't know the difference between either schools....now if you were choosing between harvard and loma linda, then by all means go to harvard, everybody knows about harvard
 
Choose a cheaper school and make your life simple that way. If you want to learn all you can learn about prostho, LLU is a good choice. UCSF, you learn a bit of every thing, or may be a bit much of every thing. I did lots of research & published way so many papers and ended up not using any of those things I did. Both schools will prepare you well to be a GP. Think Loma Linda has a better patient pool. The problem is not what you are taught. I see the problem is what you can remember from what you are taught & whether you use what you learn or not.
 
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Personally they both have their pro's and con's, Loma Linda is a private school and is costly, but it does have a good GPR program as you mentioned, and the class is smaller I think, UCSF has the name to some extent, and the location, but idk, chose the one you liked the best
 
You should go to UCSF because it has a sweet library
 
Except that Harvard isn't known as a top dental school. That aside, to answer the OP's question: I would go to the school that you feel will give you the best education and makes the most sense for you (whether it be cost, location, lifestyle, etc). I'm sure you would get a decent education at either school... UCSF is supposed to be a great school. I don't know much about Loma Linda so I won't comment on it as an institution.
 
Shunwei, I've seen quite a few of your posts and they all have very similar themes. In fact, my impression of you have largely been influenced by your statements. Making generalizations such as the one above seems like very poor form on your part. To bash a whole set of future colleagues this early on in the game, even if it is online, is not the best start. So far, I haven't seen many (if at all) talk down, belittle, or bash your school, or your choice. Courtesy would suggest you do the same. Don't suggest that the actions of a few represent the whole.

I don't feel like I am bashing Harvards folks at all. Let me put it this way: I do think that there are distinct cultures at the individual schools. I think if you have visited various different schools it isn't too much to say that each has its own distinct flavor, atmosphere, culture, and attitude. In my scholastic career (which I believe should be significantly longer than yours), I have come into contact with a lot of colleagues from all around . . . . and my experience has been that Harvard folks, whether it is business, law, med, or dental, *are* imbued with a certain mentality that I personally find distasteful. However, in my posts, as well as personal PMs that I have gotten over the past year, I don't think that I have bashed Harvard at all. The most I have said is that I am no proponent of it, and that I don't think that in terms of dentistry, HSDM is as good in quality as its other programs like on Law, Business, or Med. My impression is that at least some of the students that go there do so simply becaue of the name factor (which I am, incidentally, trying to say that in this field matters relatively little), and that, in relation to the original question of this thread, is a shallow factor for such an important decision. That's just my take, and should not elicit a hostile retort from another poster.

As for my school, I never asked anyone here for approval (yours, for that matter). I chose UCLA because it fits my needs, and that's that. You want to go to Harvard, that's fine--I wish you the best. But the last thing I think any true intelligent person cares about is whether there is uniformity on the opinions of a particular school. Why should you care what Shunwei, a guy who you don't even know personally, says about your program? If you don't like my comments, ignore my posts, and I personally can't care less about your impression of me. Incidentally, though, your attitude of "Why criticize Harvard" proves my original point about the Harvard mentality: it almost seems sacrilegious to a lot of the people there that the very name can be assailed. Hey, when the UCLA ortho scandal happened, and a lot of people on here started to criticize the program, I never said a single word to defend the school even though it was my #1. Truth is, it was an embarrassing affair, but I resolved to PM a couple of people on here whose opinions I highly valued to seek their advice on the matter. That, coupled with my own extensive research, didn't sway me from choosing the school. So why not keep on open mind for what others write--and I am at least older than you are, been in the academia for a while, and know a lot of folks who have been there. Sure, there are some good folks, but a rule of thumb is that there is an "air" about Harvard that I find disturbing.

The point is, everything is up to the fair game of praise and criticism. Do not think for a second that Harvard is above all else (which is the gist of my post). At least in the field of dentistry, most of the folks I have talked to don't hold it in that high of a regard.
 
Didn't realize it was for GPR.



I dont think it is


To OP: are you sure you don't mean GP = General Practice? GPR = general practice RESIDENCY which is a one year Post Doc program. Judging from the OP's previous posts I think the OP is a pre-dent who is interested in only doing general practice and not specialty. He/she want advice about which pre-doc school to go to...........
 
Both are good schools. You'll be fine at either one.

Don't worry about connections lost if you go to Northern California. If anything, you should come up here for a change of pace. Been here 10 years now, and it's great.
 
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email me at [email protected]. I can tell you some info you should know about GPR at UCSF that may influence your choice.
 
You have missed the point of my post. In all the interviews I attended, I have loved aspects of each school's program, and found flaws in all of them. However, in no case did I ever attribute a school's flaws to its students. And in no way did I let one bad example of a student cause me to discriminate against the whole. My point is not about the school name that you chose to "criticize" - its about your inherent prejudice that shines through. You did not attack a program - you attacked a group of students. And it is my personal belief that this is unprofessional and unwarranted.


Perhaps all this arrogance you assume other people to have might be comparable to your own?


What I read from Shunwei's post is that "each [school] has its own distinct flavor, atmosphere, culture, and attitude."...which is a generalization (one that he acknowledges) and a seemingly fair one at that. I picked up that he/she simply does not "personally" enjoy the "air" about Harvard. How is that attacking you or your group (assuming you go to Harvard)? Your last comment above appears to be the attack.
 
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