UMich vs UNLV vs MWU-AZ vs NYU vs Roseman

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Which school is the better investment?

  • UMichigan

    Votes: 43 37.4%
  • MWU-AZ

    Votes: 9 7.8%
  • UNLV

    Votes: 12 10.4%
  • NYU

    Votes: 9 7.8%
  • Roseman

    Votes: 6 5.2%
  • The one with cheapest tuition and cost of living!

    Votes: 36 31.3%

  • Total voters
    115

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Hello everyone!! 🙂

I believe all the schools (UMich, UNLV, MWU-AZ, NYU, & Roseman) are great schools and I'm having trouble deciding which school would be the better investment. All these schools are so unique in their own ways, which is why it is hard to choose. I think NYU might be out of the equation because it costs so much... my goal is to receive a great education while keeping costs down... but I added it to the poll anyway because it is truly a great school.

I'll add that at UNLV, I'll be able to purchase a couple investment homes and live in one and rent out the other during dental school. At MWU-AZ, I'll probably be able to purchase a home as well. But at Roseman and NYU... I'll be renting an apartment. I'm also interested in specializing as of now... and want to be able to learn more about the business side of dentistry.

Any feedback is greatly appreciated and thank you for voting!

BTW, I'm OOS for all.
 
Hello everyone!! 🙂

I believe all the schools (UMich, UNLV, MWU-AZ, NYU, & Roseman) are great schools and I'm having trouble deciding which school would be the better investment. All these schools are so unique in their own ways, which is why it is hard to choose. I think NYU might be out of the equation because it costs so much... my goal is to receive a great education while keeping costs down... but I added it to the poll anyway because it is truly a great school.

I'll add that at UNLV, I'll be able to purchase a couple investment homes and live in one and rent out the other during dental school. At MWU-AZ, I'll probably be able to purchase a home as well. But at Roseman and NYU... I'll be renting an apartment. I'm also interested in specializing as of now... and want to be able to learn more about the business side of dentistry.

Any feedback is greatly appreciated and thank you for voting!

BTW, I'm OOS for all.

Hey! If you ever choose to go to unlv and buy a house let me know! I'll be happy to rent out a room from you!

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Wow, NguyenDDS! If you got into all of those schools this cycle, you did amazing and congrats!!! I know you've worked hard 🙂 as I've read your posts for quite a while now.

My opinion-

I feel almost bad for the all the negative things that I am about to say but I base things sometimes by my gut feeling.

In short, if it were me, I would choose between UMich or UNLV (but I do warn you that I don't know much about UMich).


As for why I wouldn't pick the others:

MWU-AZ = I interviewed at MWU-AZ last cycle-- and while they have nice facilities and campus, I got a bad vibe and was quite turned off by the school and some of the faculty during interview day. I also didn't like a lot of chain restaurants within 5-10 min radius (not much personality), and they don't seem to be too environmental-friendly (no recycling bins on campus... this is so different from my undergrad which had recycling bins next to every trash can... and they have the perfect location for solar panels in the middle of the school, but no solar panels either... I've considered being an environmental major at one point in my undergrad so this may be why I'm a bit of a tree hugger. Ended up majoring in biochem but still took environmental classes.) I felt that I wouldn't be happy there and decided not to apply to MWU-AZ this year. To each his own applies here since I'm sure MWU-AZ is a good fit for some people.

NYU = I think NYU has a good name, and I seem to be reading that they have good clinical experience, but the biggest things that I have against NYU is: expensive tuition, NYC may be an interesting place to live in but very expensive living costs, large class size, perhaps crazy exam schedules, very far away from home, and I also worry about how well I will tolerate cold seasons/snow since my body easily shivers. Snow probably wouldn't be a problem for you since you're from TX and you're used to it, but weather is a very top criteria for me as I have even declined an interview before from a school in a colder state last cycle. This cycle, I went to cold states regardless, but I sometimes worry that I wouldn't be able to concentrate well if I'm worried about how cold I am or because I'm shivering! I would still go to a cold state if it were a really, really, good school though or if the pros outweigh the cons.

Roseman = I've heard a lot of good things about the campus- nice facilities, good learning environment, working in teams, lecture rooms are nice. South Jordan is also a nice city to live in. I've heard it's in the richer side of Utah? I think the campus and curriculum by itself, I probably would like the school and be happy there. However, for me, I withdrew my interview invitation from Roseman because 1) it's a relatively new school, not much reputation yet 2) Your doctoral degree lasts forever... To me, Roseman doesn't seem as professional of a name for a school, and patients may wonder where the school even is. Roseman used to be University of South Nevada but it got changed I think. 3) One interesting thing that I've heard at another interview, a dental student told me he got into Roseman before he got into the current school he was going to, he said something about the issue that since Roseman is in a really nice/richer area, what would the patient pool be like? Would the school have a hard time getting patients since they could afford better treatment from actual dentists already? 4) It snows :X enough said (cold weather situation again) and it's a little farther away from home for me.


UNLV - you've already seen my opinions from previous threads.

UMich - I don't know much about the school. I didn't apply to UMich (I think because of the sociology pre-req and specific LOR?), but UMich has a nice name and I've heard it's a good school/nice campus. It's a good place if you want an undergrad feel to it and if you like sports. However, cons - 1) I've heard from a UDM student that UMich sometimes pays its patients(?????) since it's also in a nicer area and may have trouble getting patients. NO CLUE if this is true, but this is what someone told me. 2) I assume that there might be more of a competitive vibe at the school. I want to think there might be a good amount of gunners here 😛 3) cold state
 
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How much more expensive is Michigan? Apart from NYU, all of those schools are new and what I would label as questionable non-traditional dental schools. I don't see how you could group Michigan with the others.
 
Congrats on cleaning up this cycle!

A couple of points I want to touch on. Ultimately, no matter where you go, you'll get a good education and become a dentist. What comes into play than is cost and how much you'd like being in the area/school. If it were me, I'd ask myself where I'd be happiest living and what school I'd enjoy being in everyday for the next four years.

As far as specializing goes, there are lots of factors that go in. Obviously grades would be a huge factor. Do you want the stress of having to distinguish yourself at the top of your class versus the stress of distinguishing yourself in non-academic ways because a certain school grades pass/fail. Are you into research, leadership, or volunteer work for ways to distinguish yourself? Do you think a school with a great name (i.e. NYU) with large classes (hard to distinguish yourself) would help you specialize versus a school with a new name (i.e. Roseman) but smaller classes (better chance to distinguish yourself.

Ultimately, of the schools you listed, you'll get a great education, have fun, and learn to become a dentist. Since these schools aren't the Columbias/Harvards of the dental world that have shown to be significant higher in terms of % students who specialize, I feel like no matter where you attend you odds of specializing end are determined by how much effort you put in. I would decide on what I could live with economically and socially for the next few years. Best of luck.

Edit: Scotch and sleep deprivation are bad factors for grammar and writing. My bad.
 
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Aw, thanks everyone for your very helpful feedback!! 🙂 I have a lot of thinking to do.
I'm just wondering why UMichigan is in the winning?
 
go to the cheapest one... when u r makin 80k a yr you wont regret.... roseman is all about the $$$$ ppl need not to go they. they just rely on desperate ppl who cant get to state school...... dagone........
 
Aw, thanks everyone for your very helpful feedback!! 🙂 I have a lot of thinking to do.
I'm just wondering why UMichigan is in the winning?

Michigan is likely winning because it has the combination of being a good school, strong in clinic, and good cost of the options you've listed.
 
Hey! If you ever choose to go to unlv and buy a house let me know! I'll be happy to rent out a room from you!

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😀 I'll definitely let you know! 😛

go to the cheapest one... when u r makin 80k a yr you wont regret.... roseman is all about the $$$$ ppl need not to go they. they just rely on desperate ppl who cant get to state school...... dagone........

Michigan is likely winning because it has the combination of being a good school, strong in clinic, and good cost of the options you've listed.


Thanks for your feedback!!! 🙂 🙂 I'm definitely leaning towards going to the cheapest one at this point. I'm considering both tuition/fees AND cost of living. I'm stuck between UNLV and UMichigan. Las Vegas has a really low cost of living and houses over there are extremely inexpensive right now. But UMichigan has the cheapest tuition (I believe ~45K cheaper than UNLV in the end), but the cost of living is not as cheap as Las Vegas. Anyhow, thanks again!!!!
 
Thanks for your feedback!!! 🙂 🙂 I'm definitely leaning towards going to the cheapest one at this point. I'm considering both tuition/fees AND cost of living. I'm stuck between UNLV and UMichigan. Las Vegas has a really low cost of living and houses over there are extremely inexpensive right now. But UMichigan has the cheapest tuition (I believe ~45K cheaper than UNLV in the end), but the cost of living is not as cheap as Las Vegas. Anyhow, thanks again!!!!

If you are OK not living in Ann Arbor, cost of living is cheap in the surrounding areas. Maybe you could live in Ann Arbor the first year for the experience and then move out to a surrounding area 10 or 15 mins away after that and save a bunch of money on rent? If I went to U-mich, that was going to be my plan.

I think Michigan is great with getting your own independent project half a day a week and getting the 10 week rotation to out-state clinics 4th year. It is such a research powerhouse as well, and you would take classes from profs well known and respected for their contribution to dentistry. You can't go wrong going there.
 
Well if you think the real estate market is going to bounce back (which i think it will in the next 4 years), you might be better off going to UNLV.
 
real estate is one of the safer investments out there (assuming that you do your hw and all). if you can afford the upkeep, i say it is a solid move to buy a house while at unlv. a lot of students that i talked to ended up buying houses bc they were cheaper than renting.
 
Wow, NguyenDDS! If you got into all of those schools this cycle, you did amazing and congrats!!! I know you've worked hard 🙂 as I've read your posts for quite a while now.

My opinion-

I feel almost bad for the all the negative things that I am about to say but I base things sometimes by my gut feeling.

In short, if it were me, I would choose between UMich or UNLV (but I do warn you that I don't know much about UMich).


As for why I wouldn't pick the others:

MWU-AZ = I interviewed at MWU-AZ last cycle-- and while they have nice facilities and campus, I got a bad vibe and was quite turned off by the school and some of the faculty during interview day. I also didn't like a lot of chain restaurants within 5-10 min radius (not much personality), and they don't seem to be too environmental-friendly (no recycling bins on campus... this is so different from my undergrad which had recycling bins next to every trash can... and they have the perfect location for solar panels in the middle of the school, but no solar panels either... I've considered being an environmental major at one point in my undergrad so this may be why I'm a bit of a tree hugger. Ended up majoring in biochem but still took environmental classes.) I felt that I wouldn't be happy there and decided not to apply to MWU-AZ this year. To each his own applies here since I'm sure MWU-AZ is a good fit for some people.

NYU = I think NYU has a good name, and I seem to be reading that they have good clinical experience, but the biggest things that I have against NYU is: expensive tuition, NYC may be an interesting place to live in but very expensive living costs, large class size, perhaps crazy exam schedules, very far away from home, and I also worry about how well I will tolerate cold seasons/snow since my body easily shivers. Snow probably wouldn't be a problem for you since you're from TX and you're used to it, but weather is a very top criteria for me as I have even declined an interview before from a school in a colder state last cycle. This cycle, I went to cold states regardless, but I sometimes worry that I wouldn't be able to concentrate well if I'm worried about how cold I am or because I'm shivering! I would still go to a cold state if it were a really, really, good school though or if the pros outweigh the cons.

Roseman = I've heard a lot of good things about the campus- nice facilities, good learning environment, working in teams, lecture rooms are nice. South Jordan is also a nice city to live in. I've heard it's in the richer side of Utah? I think the campus and curriculum by itself, I probably would like the school and be happy there. However, for me, I withdrew my interview invitation from Roseman because 1) it's a relatively new school, not much reputation yet 2) Your doctoral degree lasts forever... To me, Roseman doesn't seem as professional of a name for a school, and patients may wonder where the school even is. Roseman used to be University of South Nevada but it got changed I think. 3) One interesting thing that I've heard at another interview, a dental student told me he got into Roseman before he got into the current school he was going to, he said something about the issue that since Roseman is in a really nice/richer area, what would the patient pool be like? Would the school have a hard time getting patients since they could afford better treatment from actual dentists already? 4) It snows :X enough said (cold weather situation again) and it's a little farther away from home for me.


UNLV - you've already seen my opinions from previous threads.

UMich - I don't know much about the school. I didn't apply to UMich (I think because of the sociology pre-req and specific LOR?), but UMich has a nice name and I've heard it's a good school/nice campus. It's a good place if you want an undergrad feel to it and if you like sports. However, cons - 1) I've heard from a UDM student that UMich sometimes pays its patients(?????) since it's also in a nicer area and may have trouble getting patients. NO CLUE if this is true, but this is what someone told me. 2) I assume that there might be more of a competitive vibe at the school. I want to think there might be a good amount of gunners here 😛 3) cold state

From a recent graduate I know, yes. You can't tell anybody that you are doing it, because it isn't something you are supposed to do, but that's how it goes. The guy I talked to paid the bill, and a graduate from the late 90's that I shadowed said he would give out concert tickets to get patients toward the end. In the grand scheme of things though, the extra cost probably doesn't mean much. I'll bet it's stressful though.

And probably yeah to the gunners too. I mean, most of the big name schools have them don't they? That doesn't mean that the bulk of the class won't be made up of normal people though.

OP: You've come a long way from last year when you were all hung up on LECOM. I mean, there are some nice schools here. I'd personally pick UMich if you want to practice in the mid-west, unless one of the other schools is significantly cheaper, which I doubt.
 
Michigan, cheapest and a top school--what is more important? As for paying patients, I HIGHLY doubt that...Michigan places a huge emphasis on ethics and that sounds like a classic SDN rumor. There are unique aspects like the 10 week externships, pathways program (where you go on rotations to different private practices, specialties, etc), and great faculty. They put a ton on your plate at once but you learn a lot. PM me if you have any more questions about Mich.
 
I am a current D1 here and from what I have seen up in the clinics people are not really struggling with the patient aspect. I have talked to D3's who have had to put a old on their patient pool because they have too many active patients right now and have problems fitting everyone in...maybe I am wrong since I am not up in clinic myself but that's what it looks like to me. Also, as far as gunners...it depends on the class. My class is extremely helpful...people are always posting study guides for exams, coming up with possible essay questions and helping eachother out. I'm sure there are gunners, but the majority are here helping eachother through everything.
 
I am a current D1 here and from what I have seen up in the clinics people are not really struggling with the patient aspect. I have talked to D3's who have had to put a old on their patient pool because they have too many active patients right now and have problems fitting everyone in...maybe I am wrong since I am not up in clinic myself but that's what it looks like to me. Also, as far as gunners...it depends on the class. My class is extremely helpful...people are always posting study guides for exams, coming up with possible essay questions and helping eachother out. I'm sure there are gunners, but the majority are here helping eachother through everything.

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Go Blue!

Michigan for sure. Clinic isn't an issue at this point. I work on the 2nd floor in at the dental school right next to the clinics. Michigan's clinic's are always packed and you have to be on a waiting list to be considered a patient here, and be on good behavior (not missing appointments, etc) to continue being a patient here. I don't think this is a problem. Michigan is known for high quality clinical training, leadership programs, and research labs. In terms of living costs, this is the cheapest area I've ever lived in and I'm also considering purchasing a house. I come from silicon valley, known for outrageously priced houses so everything here is pretty cheap.

Their is going to be a curriculum change soon, and rumors have it are that during the 3rd year where you're in clinic, externships are bumped up to 12 weeks (and we have a pilot program for 20 weeks for a select few in the 3td year). As for the business model, Michigan doesn't teach you how to do things like that. It's sort of a negative personally, as a majority of practicing dentists end up in private practice. I know UPenn had an interesting model where in your 4th year you get to work in the clinic where all of your patients are scheduled by assistants and you learn the business aspect of dentistry.

Weather sucks if you're from California. Bars are great. Clubs are fun. Lots of diversity and food. Great bus transportation system. No good vietnamese food however :[
 
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