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I don't know who is pushing for the doctoral requirements for things like physical therapists... I wonder if it's the schools. Psychology is one of the only fields where full funding still exists for many students, with a degree that leads to professional licensure. As a sector, higher ed has a lot of financial problems, despite costing a heck of a lot more than it used to. Highly profitable graduate programs are a way to fill those gaps.

Schools and professional orgs are pushing more professional doctorates (DPT, DNP, etc) similar to the PsyD model in order to increase education length and be "seen" as on par with physicians. This model was already tried in Pharmacy (PharmD), Optometry (O.D.), Psychology (PsyD), and other areas with minimal success. APA/ABPP is now pushing for board certification in all areas for similar reasons.

Hospitals and care providers are looking for lesser educated providers to reduce salaries and bottom line cost. This all leads to many people being overeducated and underemployed when they go to get a job. There are not jobs for all these doctors and specialists to fill. You end up with PharmDs at CVS, PhD/PsyDs at CMHCs/ therapy positions, DPTs doing basic rehab a PTA could do, I even know of a neuropsych doing edu evals for a school system.

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Schools and professional orgs are pushing more professional doctorates (DPT, DNP, etc) similar to the PsyD model in order to increase education length and be "seen" as on par with physicians. This model was already tried in Pharmacy (PharmD), Optometry (O.D.), Psychology (PsyD), and other areas with minimal success.

I agree with everything - except it’s only “minimal success” from the standpoint of the professionals in the various fields - it’s working like gangbusters for the schools and likely the organizations too, since they get to accredit the schools and bulk up the number of professionals they represent.
 
This thread is also giving me perspective I guess after I graduate with my bachelors I'll try the Accelerated BSN program and then get my psych NP. Would it be possible to still become a psychologist after I'm an NP? Like work very few hours as an NP and be in grad school?
There would literally be no point in doing this. The best shot you would have at this method would be one of the part-time diploma mills. It would cost you six figures+, train you very poorly in psychology, and would not increase your salary potential.
 
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My perception of the state orgs is that the administration is comprised of people that I don't agree with. This diminishes my interest in supporting and I do not have time to go fix it.

It's everyone's choice. You either support it financially, step in and do the work to shape it personally, or you sit back and lose any right to meaningfully complain about the state of things in the field.
 
I'm not sure I care much, at this point.

I don't make much money via direct clinical work. I'm interested in the science. I think the clinical work is important and training standards matter. But, I think the field has largely shot itself in the face repeatedly in that regard. Basically, my financial future isn't going to be affected by this. If the field wants to be idiots, have at it.

And that is your choice, honestly, I can respect it. We all have the battles that we'd like to fight, I'm more miffed at people who spend a lot of time bashing things, but yet have never done anything to try to change it.
 
And that is your choice, honestly, I can respect it. We all have the battles that we'd like to fight, I'm more miffed at people who spend a lot of time bashing things, but yet have never done anything to try to change it.

APA president and board elections are coming up on Sept 16th. I'm happy to elect @PsyDr as a write-in candidate for president. Anyone else with me? I am expecting that 200k salary at the end of his tenure though.
 
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APA president and board elections are coming up on Sept 16th. I'm happy to elect @PsyDr as a write-in candidate for president. Anyone else with me? I am expecting that 200k salary at the end of his tenure though.
I think he wanted to be the lobbyist, though. The lobbyist arguably has more power to influence legislative decisions than the president does, depending on funding.
 
I think he wanted to be the lobbyist, though. The lobbyist arguably has more power to influence legislative decisions than the president does, depending on funding.

Well, I can't elect him to that. So, this is how it is going to be. If you don't like, we can go quail hunting and I'll shoot ya in the face, then make you apologize to me on national television. That's why they call me Cheney 'round these parts.
 
@Sanman

I can't imagine a less diplomatic person for the job.

But I can imagine what I could accomplish with some money, some backroom deals, a team of attorneys, and some lawsuits....
 
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