University of Sydney in Australia or Royal College of Surgeons Ireland (RCSI)

koalabear7

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    Hi, does anyone know how these two schools compare to each other? I intend to practice in Canada but I am beginning to also be open to other options such as working in Ireland or the UK and maybe Australia.
     
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    Wolvvs

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      USyd is an Australian medical school you attain your basic medical degree.
      RCSI is an Irish post-graduate specialist college to attain specialist qualification in surgery.

      Two completely different institutions in two completely different parts of the world. Not comparable.
      I'm assuming koalabear7 is referring to their graduate entry medicine program: Graduate Entry Medicine Course at RCSI Dublin - Why RCSI Dublin?

      I'd guess for getting back to Canada, you'd face similar challenges from each of these schools. At least Ireland is on the same schedule as Canada whereas Australia is off by a few months. Hopefully someone can provide more info though, I'm definitely not an expert...
       
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      koalabear7

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        I'm assuming koalabear7 is referring to their graduate entry medicine program: Graduate Entry Medicine Course at RCSI Dublin - Why RCSI Dublin?

        I'd guess for getting back to Canada, you'd face similar challenges from each of these schools. At least Ireland is on the same schedule as Canada whereas Australia is off by a few months. Hopefully someone can provide more info though, I'm definitely not an expert...

        Yes, I’m referring to the Graduate Entry Medicine course at RCSI so both are basic medical degrees.

        RCSI is more expensive than University of Sydney, which is why I’m trying to see if it really is a better choice than Sydney.
         

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          I don't know how RCSI is but I can tell you USyd is the worse choice.
          Tuition fees are increasing every year (currently $84k) and you will most likely not get a job/internship/residency position after you graduate, whether that's US, Canada, or Australia.

          Happy to elaborate more if you pm me
           

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            Canadian here. I think RCSI is better if you want to make it back to Canada/States due to the matching up of the clinical year, but USyd is better if you want to stay behind in Australia for residency. Just my 2 cents.
             

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              I'm assuming koalabear7 is referring to their graduate entry medicine program: Graduate Entry Medicine Course at RCSI Dublin - Why RCSI Dublin?

              I'd guess for getting back to Canada, you'd face similar challenges from each of these schools. At least Ireland is on the same schedule as Canada whereas Australia is off by a few months. Hopefully someone can provide more info though, I'm definitely not an expert...
              How can non-canadians who graduate from RCSI get into a Canadian residency programme?
               

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                How can non-canadians who graduate from RCSI get into a Canadian residency programme?
                Again I'm not an expert here, I'm from the US and will be attending medical school in Australia. I just stepped in to address what I thought was a misconception.

                I believe that you must be a Canadian citizen or permanent resident to participate in CaRMS, the residency matching system. I don't know if there are any ways around this. If your goal is to get into Canada, you may have more luck applying for the US match and moving to Canada once you're an attending. Since this is really a Canada-specific question, you may have more luck posting in the Canada sub-forum!
                 

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                  I don't know how RCSI is but I can tell you USyd is the worse choice.
                  Tuition fees are increasing every year (currently $84k) and you will most likely not get a job/internship/residency position after you graduate, whether that's US, Canada, or Australia.

                  Happy to elaborate more if you pm me
                  Any chance you would mind elaborating more on this? RCSI costs ~15-20k more per year than Sydney and I thought almost all medical graduates are able to find positions in Australia afterwards if they are unable/do not want to come back to Canada after?
                   

                  premedliz

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                    I don't know how RCSI is but I can tell you USyd is the worse choice.
                    Tuition fees are increasing every year (currently $84k) and you will most likely not get a job/internship/residency position after you graduate, whether that's US, Canada, or Australia.

                    Happy to elaborate more if you pm me
                    Hi! Could I DM you? I am considering USyd and would like to hear your reasoning on residency
                     

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                      Yes, I’m referring to the Graduate Entry Medicine course at RCSI so both are basic medical degrees.

                      RCSI is more expensive than University of Sydney, which is why I’m trying to see if it really is a better choice than Sydney.
                      Hey friend I am Canadian and through doing my research I have come to believe that Australia is the better choice when you compare it to going to Ireland. Briefly, in both locations you will receive a good education, however, let's say you don't match into North America now you are 400k+ in debt and unless you have citizenship over there it is almost impossible to receive an internship in Ireland. However, in Australia, you have a "safety net" especially if you study in Victoria. PM if you would like to talk more. Also, this is quite a personal choice and I wish you all the best.
                       
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                        Agreed with previous poster. As an international student- studying medicine in Ireland you're all in on getting back to Canada. Highly improbable to get an internship in Ireland or the EU without EU citizenship. In Australia if you don't match in Canada or the U.S. you have Australia to fall back on for training. Much easier to get an internship and stay after graduating from an Australian medical school. The downsides of Australia is generally much more expensive education than Irish schools.
                         

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                          Agreed with previous poster. As an international student- studying medicine in Ireland you're all in on getting back to Canada. Highly improbable to get an internship in Ireland or the EU without EU citizenship. In Australia if you don't match in Canada or the U.S. you have Australia to fall back on for training. Much easier to get an internship and stay after graduating from an Australian medical school. The downsides of Australia is generally much more expensive education than Irish schools.

                          Yes, getting an internship in Ireland will be extremely difficult but it isn't entirely true you cannot practice in Europe without EU citizenship (maybe only in Ireland that holds true). And you can practice in other countries but you have to know the language. The UK will no longer discriminate between EU and Non-EU. You can practice in the UK if you pass the UKMLA (which is set to be introduced in 2024 and even UK medical school students have to pass the exam) and then it allows you to complete residency. Non-EU are now not disadvantaged in any specialty they want in the UK. Actually Brexit has opened the doors for internationals because there is now going to be a shortage of doctors.
                           
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