Which school has a better program?? Which is a better all around school
Univserity of Mich vs NYU
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I liked Michigan and was going to go there until I got into Minnesota. I personally dont know a ton about NYU but it seems like they are both quite different. The location alone is like night and day. Both recognizable names but I would have a bias towards Michigan. I thought it was a great program that produces really strong dentists and its a well respected program. Also, research is a big deal there. You dont have to do research but if you wanted to, thats the place to do it.
FYI, Michigan ranks #1 and NYUCD ranks #3 (#1 among private schools) in NICDR funding. Both schools are equally strong in research.
http://www.nidcr.nih.gov/GrantsAndF...talSchools/GrantstoDentalInstitutions2009.htm
http://www.nidcr.nih.gov/GrantsAndF...talSchools/GrantstoDentalInstitutions2009.htm
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The schools are pretty much equivalent in all aspects and although Ann Arbor is nice enough (but unfortunately surrounded by the worst big city in America: Detroit), you can't beat living in Manhattan for 4 years. There's always something to do and somewhere to be, so you'll never be bored when you want to take a break from studying.
Better program? It's pretty subjective, and even if there were dental school rankings it would have to come down to personal preference. However, here are the reasons I turned down NYU's interview and choose UMich for dental school.
Class size
UMich: 105
NYU :230
I prefer to have a smaller class size
Location:
UMich: Ann Arbor, I enjoyed the feel of Ann Arbor, it is an academically influenced city which I believe will keep me focused on school. ( It was previously stated that Detroit is the worst city in the US, which may or may not be true but it is a 45-60 minute drive from Ann Arbor so from my personal experience you won't be catching any stray bullets from drive bys if you live in Ann Arbor.)
NYU - Manhattan, I visited Manhattan a couple of times and loved the city. New experiences everyday and never a dull moment. However, if I were to be in school while in Manhattan I feel I wouldn't be as focused as opposed to living in Ann Arbor. But if I was a Professional Athlete with millions, I may considering buying a loft downtown.
Cost- From my experience( very limited) an apartment in Ann Arbor will cost about half of one in Manhattan.
Tuition -
UMich- In state- 60K ( includes everything)
out of state- 75K ( give or take a couple K.)
NYU- 85K
( I got these numbers from ADEA Official guide to Dental School 2009.)
Ability to get laid-
NYU hands down, but since I have a girlfriend this did not sway my decision.
( I also got this stat from the ADEA Official guide to Dental Schools.)
Hope this helps.
Thank you everyone for your insight!!
I've been accepted to UoM this upcoming year and am waitlisted at NYU. I heard that both schools have a great program but some way UoM as being the better school. I am a NY resident so it would be nice to stay home but like the above post mention it will be a huge distractions (living in the city and all my friends being home).
I've been accepted to UoM this upcoming year and am waitlisted at NYU. I heard that both schools have a great program but some way UoM as being the better school. I am a NY resident so it would be nice to stay home but like the above post mention it will be a huge distractions (living in the city and all my friends being home).
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congrats on getting accepted to U of M, I've lived in ann arbor all my life, and it's fantastic. It really is a very big city inside of a small town. You'll love it.
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My point about Detroit is that Ann Arbor is a college town, so there's not always something to do there that suits everyone's tastes. If you want to venture out of town, the city of Detroit and a few other suburbs do have stuff going on, but many of them (but not at all) are as bad as Detroit, which has the worst economy, crime rates, etc in the nation.
Also, Ann Arbor is definitely cheaper than NYC, but it's surprisingly not by much, unless you want to live way off campus and have to drive in.
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Dude, stop being an Ahole. We all know you are on U Michigan waitlist, no need to create a new account.
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If I had that choice, I would have gone to U Michigan as it is cheaper (tution and living expenses), has more research opportunities, and is located in a pretty sweet town (I liked it, at least) with stuff to do.
However, it really depends on your situation and personal preferences. NYU has its own positives, one of which is location.
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For your information, I haven't even applied yet. I just started reading this message board as I'm about to take the DAT and begin the application process to hopefully get in somewhere for Fall 2011. I just prefer NYC to anywhere else, especially compared to being anywhere near Detroit, even though UM is a good school.
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Ann Arbor is a very nice town, first of all. Second of all, choosing a program based on how nice the area is within 60(!) miles of school is lame.
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I can be biased, but I prefer Michigan. Michigan DS colloborate with a lot of enginneers which dramatically improves quality of research (because engineers are generally leaders of applications). If you are research oriented, Michigan is the better choice.
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Yes, I am going to U of M, and yes, I'm a MI resident. I am, however, a very travelled person, so I've got slightly less bias than the average guy, haha.
Let's start with the school: I'm sure both put out competent graduates. Class size is certainly something to consider. 100 students vs. 200+ is a big difference. That might matter to some. I'd say everything else is somewhat subjective...which clinic did you like more? Which school felt better? Etc...
Now, location...I'm somewhat put-off by those that use Detroit as some sort of reflection on Ann Arbor. Detroit, yes, has it's issues. Still, my wife lived there for 3 years and absolutely loved it. I've been down there more times than I can remember, and I've loved it. Red Wings, Tigers, Lions (even though they suck), great restaurants & casino (GREEKTOWN), great bars, and Windsor is across the river. The Post is a hole-in-the-wall that is often frequented by Red Wings players. Yes, there are some areas you should avoid at night, but the "dangerous" areas don't have anything of interest anyway, so you wouldn't really have an excuse to be there.
And let's not forget, you'll be living in AA, which is 40+ miles away! Compared to the rest of MI, AA is not on the cheap side, but it isn't the most expensive, either. Compared to NYC, AA is on the VERY cheap side. My wife and I will be renting a 1600 sq ft condo, with garage, tennis courts, pool, access to a few of AA's MANY parks, miles of nature trails, etc. for $1200/mo. The unit has 3 BR, 2.5 baths, granite countertops, large wall of windows leading to the back patio, and a pond right outside the door. A single family home could be rented for less than $1500. The school district was important to us (we have a 5-year-old), but you could find a nice place for less if you're willing to move closer to Ypsilanti (not the best schools, but if you're single or without kids, so what). If you're single, there are plenty of rooms for rent in large homes well under $750. I've been getting regular e-mails from current d-students looking to fill spots in their homes around the $500-$600, utilities, cable, internet included. If you're willing to move a 15-20 minute drive outside of AA, Saline and Dexter (or even the areas north of AA) offer larger homes on lots of land for $1500 or less per month.
Though not the size of Manhattan, I would argue that AA has awesome restaurants and pubs, great beer, and plenty to do (not that you'll have much time to do anything, from what I'm hearing from current students). It is consistently ranked as one of the top places to live in the country, and THE top place to live in MI (even before the economy tanked).
After the differences in the schools are considered, it ultimately comes down to whether or not you want to live in a very large city. Having been to many large cities (both European and US), I can say I'd never want to live there for any extended period of time (visiting is enough for me), but some people like it. Ultimately, U of M would probably cost you less (depending on how much you're going back home to NY), but it won't be the same as living in NYC (if that matters to you).
Just don't let the "Detroit sucks, so don't go to AA" comments come into the decision. Seriously, you could live in AA for 20 years and never even know Detroit was there (and it's nowhere near as bad as people say it is).
Let's start with the school: I'm sure both put out competent graduates. Class size is certainly something to consider. 100 students vs. 200+ is a big difference. That might matter to some. I'd say everything else is somewhat subjective...which clinic did you like more? Which school felt better? Etc...
Now, location...I'm somewhat put-off by those that use Detroit as some sort of reflection on Ann Arbor. Detroit, yes, has it's issues. Still, my wife lived there for 3 years and absolutely loved it. I've been down there more times than I can remember, and I've loved it. Red Wings, Tigers, Lions (even though they suck), great restaurants & casino (GREEKTOWN), great bars, and Windsor is across the river. The Post is a hole-in-the-wall that is often frequented by Red Wings players. Yes, there are some areas you should avoid at night, but the "dangerous" areas don't have anything of interest anyway, so you wouldn't really have an excuse to be there.
And let's not forget, you'll be living in AA, which is 40+ miles away! Compared to the rest of MI, AA is not on the cheap side, but it isn't the most expensive, either. Compared to NYC, AA is on the VERY cheap side. My wife and I will be renting a 1600 sq ft condo, with garage, tennis courts, pool, access to a few of AA's MANY parks, miles of nature trails, etc. for $1200/mo. The unit has 3 BR, 2.5 baths, granite countertops, large wall of windows leading to the back patio, and a pond right outside the door. A single family home could be rented for less than $1500. The school district was important to us (we have a 5-year-old), but you could find a nice place for less if you're willing to move closer to Ypsilanti (not the best schools, but if you're single or without kids, so what). If you're single, there are plenty of rooms for rent in large homes well under $750. I've been getting regular e-mails from current d-students looking to fill spots in their homes around the $500-$600, utilities, cable, internet included. If you're willing to move a 15-20 minute drive outside of AA, Saline and Dexter (or even the areas north of AA) offer larger homes on lots of land for $1500 or less per month.
Though not the size of Manhattan, I would argue that AA has awesome restaurants and pubs, great beer, and plenty to do (not that you'll have much time to do anything, from what I'm hearing from current students). It is consistently ranked as one of the top places to live in the country, and THE top place to live in MI (even before the economy tanked).
After the differences in the schools are considered, it ultimately comes down to whether or not you want to live in a very large city. Having been to many large cities (both European and US), I can say I'd never want to live there for any extended period of time (visiting is enough for me), but some people like it. Ultimately, U of M would probably cost you less (depending on how much you're going back home to NY), but it won't be the same as living in NYC (if that matters to you).
Just don't let the "Detroit sucks, so don't go to AA" comments come into the decision. Seriously, you could live in AA for 20 years and never even know Detroit was there (and it's nowhere near as bad as people say it is).
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...Michigan! It's cheaper. I couldn't possibly imagine shelling out all that money for tuition and living expenses in NYC, only to be surrounded by never-ending noise/distraction...
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You can go to their websites to get their actual fees. NYUs tuition is 65K a year... I pay less than 85K a year including housing (3 blocks from school) and living costs...
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http://www.nyu.edu/dental/financialservices/tuitionfeesexpensesdds.html
$64.5K NYU
http://www.finaid.umich.edu/Apply_and_Receive_Aid/Applying_for_Aid/Graduate_Students/dental.asp#tuition
$56K UMich
BUT, I heard from someone who interviewed this year at UMich that they were going to start on 7/1 this year and would definitely be increasing tuition to reflect 2 extra months, so that would be at least $67K
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...And the average rent prices in NYC vs. AA per square foot?
